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FORMULA 1 Canadian GP (Montreal)
Second free practice Session - Lap Times

1. Fernando Alonso - Ferrari - 1'14"818 - 48 laps
2. Lewis Hamilton - Mercedes - 1'14"830
3. Romain Grosjean - Lotus-Renault - 1'15"083
4. Mark Webber - Red Bull-Renault - 1'15"212
5. Nico Rosberg - Mercedes - 1'15"249
6. Felipe Massa - Ferrari - 1'15"254 -
7. Sebastian Vettel - Red Bull-Renault - 1'15"280
8. Adrian Sutil - Force India-Mercedes - 1'15"396
9. Jenson Button - McLaren-Mercedes - 1'15"422
10. Daniel Ricciardo - Toro Rosso-Ferrari - 1'15"566
11. Kimi Raikkonen - Lotus-Renault - 1'15"599
12. Sergio Perez - Sauber-Ferrari - 1'15"661
13. Paul di Resta - Force India-Mercedes - 1'15"855
14. Pastor Maldonado - Williams-Renault - 1'16"319
15. Jean-Eric Vergne - Toro Rosso-Ferrari - 1'16"351
16. Valtteri Bottas - Williams-Renault - 1'16"374
17. Esteban Gutierrez - Sauber-Ferrari - 1'16"475
18. Nico Hulkenberg - Sauber-Ferrari - 1'16"929
19. Jules Bianchi - Marussia-Cosworth - 1'17"070
20. Charles Pic - Caterham-Renault - 1'17"236
21. Max Chilton - Marussia-Cosworth - 1'17"888
22. Giedo van der Garde - Caterham-Renault - 1'18"392

S. VETTEL – Red Bull - long run - Friday (2° free practice)
Lap 24 time 1:20.440
Lap 25 time 1:19.283
Lap 26 time 1:19.061
Lap 27 time 1:20.595
Lap 28 time 1:19.369
Lap 29 time 1:21.374
Lap 30 time 1:20.856
Lap 31 time 1:19.284
Lap 32 time 1:18.799
Lap 33 time 1:18.905
Lap 34 time 1:19.068
Lap 35 time 1:18.750
Lap 36 time 1:19.291
Lap 37 time 1:18.601
Lap 38 time 1:18.892
Lap 39 time 1:18.317
Lap 40 time 1:19.776
Lap 41 time 1:18.266

F. ALONSO – Ferrari - long run - Friday (2° free practice)
Lap 35 time 1:19.365
Lap 36 time 1:19.189
Lap 37 time 1:18.990
Lap 38 time 1:21.467
Lap 39 time 1:18.951
Lap 40 time 1:18.681
Lap 41 time 1:21.280
Lap 42 time 1:18.125
Lap 43 time 1:18.469
Lap 44 time 1:18.180
Lap 45 time 1:18.190
Lap 46 time 1:18.301
Lap 47 time 1:18.348
Lap 48 time 1:18.246

look at the lap times of Vettel and Alonso; very interesting their long runs (they look the best on the race pace)
good times also for Webber (more or less as Vettel and Alonso)
The Mercedes are fast over singole lap. Hamilton or Rosberg could win another the pole position, but there are still doubts for the race.
Rosberg never a lap time in less than 1.19.000 during his long run
Hamilton his best lap time in his long run was: 1.18.949
Lotus with some problems.
obviously these are the feelings of Friday, but the race is Sunday and everything can change.

FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX DU CANADA 2013
free practice1
1 14 Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1:21.020 10
2 5 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:21.108 0.088 20
3 8 Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1:21.258 0.238 21
4 3 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:21.308 0.288 16
5 7 Kimi Räikkönen Lotus-Renault 1:21.608 0.588 22
6 19 Daniel Ricciardo STR-Ferrari 1:22.068 1.048 18
7 9 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1:22.402 1.382 22
8 6 Sergio Perez McLaren-Mercedes 1:22.587 1.567 17
9 1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing-Renault 1:23.047 2.027 26
10 2 Mark Webber Red Bull Racing-Renault 1:23.131 2.111 16
11 4 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:23.341 2.321 13
12 17 Valtteri Bottas Williams-Renault 1:23.352 2.332 17
13 18 Jean-Eric Vergne STR-Ferrari 1:23.386 2.366 19
14 15 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1:23.417 2.397 19
15 12 Esteban Gutierrez Sauber-Ferrari 1:23.957 2.937 33
16 10 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1:25.054 4.034 21
17 11 Nico Hulkenberg Sauber-Ferrari 1:25.354 4.334 22
18 21 Giedo van der Garde Caterham-Renault 1:25.753 4.733 21
19 23 Max Chilton Marussia-Cosworth 1:25.821 4.801 19
20 20 Alexander Rossi Caterham-Renault 1:27.143 6.123 20
21 16 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1:27.522 6.502 11
22 22 Jules Bianchi Marussia-Cosworth 1:29.306 8.286 8

mercedes and pirelli are under process about new tires

Canadian GP (Montreal) – Notre-Dame island (renamed Circuit Gilles Villeneuve in 1982) 7 - 8 and 9 june.
The track is a semi-permanent circuit and is located on an artificial island in the middle of Saint Lawrence River. The first edition took place in 1978 and was won by Gilles Villeneuve. Montreal is a stop-and-go circuit with several overtaking opportunities around the lap; there are four long straights linked with tight corners and chicanes. Like at Monaco, barriers are mostly close to the track as the well-known "Wall of Champions” on the outside of the final corner. Montreal is very demanding on brakes and stressful on the rear tyres. A good traction out of slow corners is essential and the tyre wear is high. Instead the downforce level is low. There will be two DRS zones with a single detection point. Pirelli has brought its super-soft(red stripe) and medium(white stripe) tyre compounds to this race. Two sets of a new rear specification tyres will be tested during Friday's free practice sessions and if the teams will all agree the new range of Pirelli P. Zero tyres will be used at the next race at Silverstone. But in the last two weeks the controversy that everybody talks about is a secret tyre test held at Barcelona from team Mercedes AMG in conjunction with Pirelli. The situation is very controversial, and on the whole issue will decide the FIA’s International Tribunal.
Winners, Podium and pole position (last 3 editions)
2010 Hamilton – Mc Laren (2° Button and 3°Alonso) – fastest lap: Kubica – pole: Hamilton, time 1m 15.105
2011 Button – Mc Laren (2° Vettel and 3° Webber) – fastest lap: Button – pole: Vettel, time 1m 13.014
2012 Hamilton – Mc Laren (2° Grosjean and 3° Perez) - fastest lap: Vettel – pole: Vettel, time 1m 13.784
In the past one win: Raikkonen(2005) – Alonso(2006) and again Hamilton(2007).
No victory for: Vettel, Webber and Red Bull team. Hamilton: 3 wins and 3 pole – Raikkonen: 3 times best lap time
2011: FP1 (1.15.591) - FP2 (1.15.107) - FP3 (1.13.381) - Qualifying (1.13.014)
2012: FP1 (1.15.564) - FP2 (1.15.259) - FP3 (1.14.442) - Qualifying (1.13.784)

And for f1 game, season 2013:Team battle(Red Bull) Vettel vs Webber 6-0
Average qualifying position: Vettel (3,2°) Webber (6,3°) after six races
Di Resta: Grid position 9°(Melbourne) – 15°(Sepang) – 11°(Shanghai) – 7°(Bahrain) – 10°(Barcelona) – 17°(Monaco) Average qualifying position (11.5°)

2012 gp canada podium
1 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 70 1:32:29.586
2 Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 70 +2.5 secs
3 Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 70 +5.2 secs
pole position
vettel 1:13:784

FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX DU CANADA 2013
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Fri 07 June 2013
Practice 1 16:00 - 17:30
Practice 2 20:00 - 21:30
Sat 08 June 2013
Practice 3 16:00 - 17:00
Qualifying 19:00
Sun 09 June 2013
Race 20:00

Drivers Championship Standings :

01 Sebastian Vettel : Red Bull - 107
02 Kimi Raikkonen : Lotus - 86
03 Fernando Alonso : Ferrari - 78
04 Lewis Hamilton : Mercedes - 62
05 Mark Webber : Red Bull - 57
06 Nico Rosberg : Mercedes - 47
07 Felipe Massa : Ferrari - 45
08 Paul Di Resta : Force India - 28
09 Romain Grosjean : Lotus - 26
10 Jenson Button : McLaren - 25
11 Adrian Sutil : Force India - 16
12 Sergio Perez : McLaren - 12
13 Daniel Ricciardo : Toro Rosso - 7
14 Nico Hulkenberg : Sauber - 5
15 Jean-Eric Vergne : Toro Rosso - 5

Team Championship Standings
01 Red Bull - 164
02 Ferrari - 123
03 Lotus - 112
04 Mercedes - 109
05 Force India - 44
06 McLaren - 37
07 Toro Rosso - 12
08 Sauber - 5

Kind Regards
Shaky-Schumi

Result of a crashfull race of Monaco :

Nico Rosberg wins wild race for Mercedes :
Nico Rosberg finally secured Mercedes' first Formula 1 win of the 2013 season as he maintained the lead throughout a Monaco Grand Prix interrupted by two safety cars and a red flag. Mercedes was unable to repeat its qualifying one-two, as Lewis Hamilton fell to fourth behind the Red Bulls of Mark Webber and Sebastian Vettel. Rosberg held his lead at the start and was able to maintain an advantage of around two seconds for the majority of the race, whether in tyre conservation mode or showing his true pace. Hamilton lost ground when the safety car came out amid the first scheduled pitstops. Felipe Massa repeated his qualifying crash at Sainte Devote, prompting the interruption and sending the Ferrari driver to hospital for checks.
As all those yet to pit immediately dived in to do so, Hamilton had to queue behind team-mate Rosberg and emerged behind the two Red Bulls. Hamilton then spent the rest of the race mounting attack after attack on Webber for third, getting alongside through Rascasse at one point but never making it ahead.
Rosberg was not rattled by a mid-race stoppage, caused when contact between Max Chilton's Marussia and Pastor Maldonado's Williams sent the latter flying violently into the Tabac barriers. Maldonado was unhurt in the incident, for which the stewards punished Chilton with a drive-through penalty. While Rosberg cruised to victory ahead of the Vettel-Webber-Hamilton train, which only spread out in the final moments, the rest of the pack engaged in some spectacular and wild racing. Force India's Adrian Sutil pulled off brave passes on Jenson Button and Fernando Alonso into Loews. He then benefited when contact between Kimi Raikkonen and Sergio Perez at the chicane late on left the Lotus with a puncture and caused damage that would ultimately force Perez to park. Button came through to sixth, having earlier had a spat with his McLaren team-mate Perez when the Mexican cut the chicane to hold him off. Perez was ordered to let Button past, but overtook him cleanly at the same spot later on. He then had another chicane incident with Alonso, and this time it was the Ferrari asked to move aside having cut the corner. Raikkonen was next on Perez's list, but on that occasion the chicane move ended in contact. Alonso lost out to Button in the traffic jam behind Perez's wounded car and finished a subdued seventh. Jean-Eric Vergne chased the Torro Rosso home in eighth. Paul di Resta converted 17th on the grid to ninth place, thanks to pitting as early as lap nine and making his tyres last to the end. Raikkonen's recovery drive ultimately earned him a point, as he overtook Nico Hulkenberg's Sauber on the final lap.
The other major incident came when Romain Grosjean ploughed into the back of Daniel Ricciardo at the chicane, causing the final safety car. Jules Bianchi also crashed, slewing into the Sainte Devote barriers, having earlier sustained damage on debris from the Chilton/Maldonado crash.

1. Nico Rosberg : Mercedes GP
2. Sebastian Vettel : Red Bull Racing
3. Mark Webber : Red Bull Racing
4. Lewis Hamilton : Mercedes GP
5. Adrian Sutil : Force India
6. Jenson Button : McLaren
7. Fernando Alonso : Ferrari
8. Jean-Eric Vergne : Toro Rosso
9. Paul di Resta : Force India
10. Kimi Räikkönen : Lotus
11. Nico Hulkenberg : Sauber
12. Valtteri Bottas : Williams
13. Esteban Gutierrez : Sauber
14. Max Chilton : Marussia F1 Team
15. Giedo van der Garde : Caterham
Did Not Finish :
16. Sergio Perez : McLaren
17. Romain Grosjean : Lotus
18. Daniel Ricciardo : Toro Rosso
19. Jules Bianchi : Marussia F1 Team
20. Pastor Maldonado : Williams
21. Felipe Massa : Ferrari
22. Charles Pic : Caterham

Fastest lap : Sebastian Vettel - 1:16.577
Pitstop Jean-Eric Vergne : 1
Bat. 2 Teams : Alonso > Raikkonen
Grid Pos. Esteban Gutierrez : 13th place

Kind Regards
Shaky-Schumi

Mercedes GP cars will race under investigation because of some tire-tests (1000km test) they have done with Pirelli.
Red Bull and Ferrari have claimed.

Result of the Qualifying of Monaco :

Nico Rosberg takes third straight pole in Mercedes one-two :
Nico Rosberg claimed his third Formula 1 pole position in a row in Monaco Grand Prix qualifying, as Mercedes fended off Red Bull's challenge to fill the front row again. After practice sessions that had suggested a Mercedes versus Ferrari battle, Red Bull raised its game in a qualifying session that began damp and remained drizzly until the end. Sebastian Vettel and Mark Webber were provisionally first and second following the first Q3 runs, and with the rain appearing set to increase, it looked like Red Bull might have the front row sealed.
But Mercedes found more pace in the last seconds, with Lewis Hamilton first leaping to the front on a 1m13.967s, and then Rosberg pipping him by 0.091 seconds. Vettel was 0.013s down on Hamilton as he denied Webber third place. Kimi Raikkonen took fifth for Lotus, while Ferrari had a tough session.
Fernando Alonso could only manage sixth, and his team-mate Felipe Massa did not take part at all as the damage from his practice three crash could not be repaired in time. McLaren's Sergio Perez and Jenson Button were seventh and ninth, split by Adrian Sutil's Force India. Jean-Eric Vergne completed the top 10 in a strong performance for Toro Rosso. There was an element of lottery to getting into the top 10 as Q2 came to a frenetic end, with everyone diving for slicks in the final four minutes and then trying to get the best out of an ever-quicker track. Romain Grosjean was among those to lose out. His 13th place was an anti-climax after a star Q1 performance, when he had shot to the front briefly on the single flying lap he had time for once Lotus had repaired his practice crash damage. The other big story of Q2 was Giedo van der Garde's effort. The Dutchman got Caterham through Q1 for the first time in 2013 and was a top-10 factor when Q2 was at its most slippery. He eventually ended up 15th, beating Q1 pacesetter Pastor Maldonado's Williams. Maldonado was two places behind team-mate Valtteri Bottas. Also out in Q2 were Nico Hulkenberg and Daniel Ricciardo, who share row six. Paul di Resta was left enraged with Force India's tactics as he missed the Q1 cut and ended up 17th. Esteban Gutierrez also fell in the first segment, behind Charles Pic in 19th. Jules Bianchi will join Massa on the back row, having parked on his out-lap with a fire in his Marussia's airbox.

1. Nico Rosberg : Mercedes GP - 1:13.876
2. Lewis Hamilton : Mercedes GP - 1:13.967 + 0.091
3. Sebastian Vettel : Red Bull Racing - 1:13.980 + 0.104
4. Mark Webber : Red Bull Racing - 1:14.181 + 0.305
5. Kimi Räikkönen : Lotus - 1:14.822 + 0.946
6. Fernando Alonso : Ferrari - 1:14.824 + 0.948
7. Sergio Perez : McLaren - 1:15.138 + 1.262
8. Adrian Sutil : Force India - 1:15.383 + 1.507
9. Jenson Button : McLaren - 1:15.647 + 1.771
10. Jean-Eric Vergne : Toro Rosso - 1:15.703 + 1.827
Q2
11. Nico Hulkenberg : Sauber - 1:18.331 + 4.455
12. Daniel Ricciardo : Toro Rosso - 1:18.344 + 4.468
13. Romain Grosjean : Lotus - 1:18.603 + 4.727
14. Valtteri Bottas : Williams - 1:19.077 + 5.201
15. Giedo van der Garde : Caterham - 1:19.408 + 5.532
16. Pastor Maldonado : Williams - 1:21.688 + 7.812
17. Paul di Resta : Force India - 1:26.322 + 12.446
Q1
18. Charles Pic : Caterham - 1:26.633 -
19. Esteban Gutierrez : Sauber - 1:26.917 + 13.041
20. Max Chilton : Marussia F1 Team - 1:27.203 + 13.327
21. Jules Bianchi : Marussia F1 Team - no time -
22. Felipe Massa : Ferrari - not time -

Time : 1:13.876
Pole : Nico Rosberg
Team Bat. : Van Der Garde > Pic
Grid Pos. Valtteri Bottas : 14

Kind Regards
Shaky-Schumi

shaky-schumi wrote:Red Flag !!!!!
Very hard Crash of Felipe Massa

Car is damaged very very hard !!!!! Not sure if it's going to be ready for qualifying ...there are only 2 hours left

Result of a crash full ( Massa ,Grosjean , Sutil ) 3rd practice session :

Nico Rosberg blitzes messy final practice :
Mercedes driver Nico Rosberg completed his clean sweep of Monaco Grand Prix practice session top spots by leading a crash-strewn hour on Saturday morning. The German's 1m14.378s lap was nearly seven tenths of a second clear of the rest of the field, although the latter part of the session was interrupted by crashes for Felipe Massa, Romain Grosjean and Adrian Sutil, causing two red flags.
Massa's accident was the first and the biggest.
He locked up his Ferrari's front wheels at the start of the Sainte Devote braking area, slamming into the barriers on the left-hand side approaching the corner before going into the wall on the outside of the turn. The Brazilian got out unhurt.
Shortly after the restart, Sutil lost control of his Force India through Massenet, sliding sideways into the wall.
That did not require a stoppage to clear up, and in the gap between incidents that followed, Grosjean was one of the few to get a quick time in, jumping to second.
But on his final run the Lotus driver braked too late into Sainte Devote after possibly being distracted by Lewis Hamilton's Mercedes rejoining from the pits. Grosjean slid sideways into the barriers in a repeat of his Thursday crash. With only a minute of the session remaining, the red flag brought the morning to a close.
Rosberg managed to get a sublime lap in between the shunts, moving comfortably clear of the field despite clouting the barrier at Portier as he got his Mercedes sideways out of the corner. Grosjean retained second, ahead of Sebastian Vettel - who had been quickest before the field switched to super-softs, but encountered traffic on a potentially quick late run. Fernando Alonso's Ferrari and Hamilton completed the top five.
Kimi Raikkonen had a harmless trip down the Mirabeau escape road before taking sixth, followed by Mark Webber, Paul di Resta, Pastor Maldonado and Nico Hulkenberg.

1. Nico Rosberg : Mercedes GP - 1:14.378
2. Romain Grosjean : Lotus -1:15.039 + 0.661
3. Sebastian Vettel : Red Bull Racing - 1:15.261 + 0.883
4. Fernando Alonso : Ferrari - 1:15.286 + 0.908
5. Lewis Hamilton : Mercedes GP - 1:15.311 + 0.933
6. Kimi Räikkönen : Lotus - 1:15.380 + 1.002
7. Mark Webber : Red Bull Racing - 1:15.550 + 1.172
8. Paul di Resta : Force India - 1:15.594 + 1.216
9. Pastor Maldonado : Williams - 1:15.861 + 1.483
10. Nico Hulkenberg : Sauber - 1:15.926 + 1.548
11. Sergio Perez : McLaren - 1:15.958 + 1.580
12. Jean-Eric Vergne : Toro Rosso - 1:15.976 + 1.598
13. Jenson Button : McLaren - 1:15.976 + 1.598
14. Daniel Ricciardo : Toro Rosso - 1:16.060 + 1.682
15. Adrian Sutil : Force India - 1:16.068 + 1.690
16. Felipe Massa : Ferrari - 1:16.105 + 1.727
17. Esteban Gutierrez : Sauber - 1:16.427 + 2.049
18. Valtteri Bottas : Williams - 1:16.933 + 2.555
19. Charles Pic : Caterham 1:17.902 + 3.524
20. Giedo van der Garde : Caterham - 1:18.102 + 3.724
21. Jules Bianchi : Marussia F1 Team - 1:18.706 + 4.328
22. Max Chilton : Marussia F1 Team - 1:19.228 + 4.850

Kind Regards
Shaky-Schumi

Red Flag !!!!!
Very hard Crash of Felipe Massa

Car is damaged very very hard !!!!! Not sure if it's going to be ready for qualifying ...there are only 2 hours left

Monaco GP: the winners (last 5 editions)
2008 Hamilton – Mc Laren
2009 Button – Brown Mercedes
2010 Webber – Red Bull Renault (2° place Vettel and 3° place Kubica) - fastest lap on race: Vettel
2011 Vettel – Red Bull Renault (2° place Alonso and 3° place Button) - fastest lap on race: Webber
2012 Webber – Red Bull Renault (2° place Rosberg and 3° place Alonso) - fastest lap on race: Perez
- In previous years also two wins for Alonso(2006-2007) and one for Raikkonen(2005).
In the last nine years only once, who got the pole position on Saturday, has not won the race the following day.
It happened in 2008. Pole for Massa, but victory for Hamilton
Last win for Ferrari team: 12 years ago (2001 M. Schumacher)
Pole position: (last 3 editions)
2010 Webber – Red Bull Renault – pole time 1m 13.826
2011 Vettel – Red Bull Renault – pole time 1m 13.556
2012 Webber – Red Bull Renault – pole time 1m 14.381* the best lap time was 1.14.301 (Schumacher - Mercedes) but he was given a five-place grid penalty.
Also 2 pole position for Alonso(2006-2007) and 1 for Raikkonen and Massa
Rosberg and Hamilton(Mercedes): never in pole at Monaco, but in this season the two teammates have got 3 consecutive pole position in the last 3 races.

2013: Free Practice One (1.16.195) Free Practice Two (1.14.759) tomorrow........
2012: FP1 (1.16.265) - FP2 (1.15.746) - FP3 (1.15.159) - Qualifying (1.14.301)
2011: FP1 (1.16.619) - FP2 (1.15.123) - FP3 (1.14.433) - Qualifying (1.13.556)
and for the game:
season 2013: Team battle(Caterham) Pic vs Van der Garde 3-2 after 5 races
Average qualifying position: Pic (20,8°) Van der Garde (21°).
Bottas: Grid position 16°(Melbourne) - 18°(Sepang) – 17°(Shanghai) – 15°(Bahrain) – 17°(Barcelona)
Average qualifying position (16.6°) after 5 races.

Another side of yesterday's training before GP Monaco

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