Eurotic TV - General Discussion

WILSONSAND wrote:From ETV Wall, Mr.Niceguy:
"... In all honesty I feel it is totally unacceptable a show this good could be seen for only 5 credits. You cannot really put a price on what Mashi or any other model for that matter is giving to the viewer. What we should at least give her is the respect she/they deserve(s). Asking only 5 credits for a 4 hour premium is doing exactly the opposite, In doing so you are opening the door for other disrespectfull behavior towards models and I can imagine it taking a toll on these wonderfull girls selfesteem. I understand you are trying to run a business and you are trying different ways to attract customers and this discount show was a means to that end. However in my opinion this will be very counterproductive in the medium term. I have never written on the wall as I didn't want to bother you, but I feel very strongly about this. I hope you will consider my feelings on this matter as you try to imagine yourself in the models position and how you would feel in that position. Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself..."

And sorry, i can´t believe what i´ve read, i agree the shows were good, but...what is this? Maybe this is the first time i know a customer ask for more expensive prizes....¿? Maybe Mr. Niceguy wants shows only a minor elite of rich men watching the shows...and i wonder...what is better for the selfesteem of the models: 10 guys watching a 10credits shows or 25 guys watching a 5 credits show? 10 or 25 customers?

Mr.Niceguy says it´s an "totally unacceptable" prize, because 5 credits hurts the models selfesteem. But, who Mr.Niceguy does think they are? Bar Rafaelli o Giselle Bündchen? No, with all due respects, and they know it (exception made with Karry, sorry... ). I don´t think this girls are not superstars to make expensive shows. They are amateurs, and they know perfectly well where they are working and who are working with. Some time ago, Mashi was doing hotter shows for free without this "extra" money of this premium shows.

I think 8 euros for 4 hours of show is right as attracting customer strategy. If they do that, it´s because they want more customers, and that´s why they set lower prizes and discounts.

Anyway, take a look at the shows: the models spend almost 15 minutes/show or even more at micro, x4 shows= 1 hour at micro, so you are really watching 4-1=3 hours of pure show, what is almost the duration of The hobbit, the last film from Peter Jackson, and is almost what i must pay for enjoying this mega production at cinema with a super big screen.

Anyway, ETV cried because the show with Mashi, Kristina and Tia had almost no viewers, (i think that is worse for the models selfesteem) so if ETV wants being alive, and wants more people buying the shows and finally, if ETV wants money and paying that great artists like Mashi, or Suzy or Jeit , it seems cheaper prizes are a good choice, (i think there was a good number of customers watching mashi, so it seemed the prizes strategy worked well), and if they don´t get money, this great artists will lose their work, what could it be worst for their selfesteem.

I think the models must fight for their selfsteem making respectable their job. And the first who don´t respect their job is ETV, making them working in stupid and exhausting shifts, and producing the shows with a shameful censorship that destroys their job all the time, or their own creativity, eroticism and talent because absurd artistics pretensions from the staff. By the way, in my opinion, the gifts selling strategy with so expensive prizes should shame someone, and shame is not very good to selfesteem. Maybe they lost it all to accept it all, or maybe they don´t know what selfesteem or shame it is after so many time working with this guys.

p.s.: I do not think the measure of respect is the cost of their shows, but their work and their attitude with the customers.

well Wilsonsand thanks for this post and bringing my words from the wall to this site. It must have taken quite some effort to write it.

Anyway it deserves some good attention, so it took a bit longer to reply, sorry about that.

To you first point I would say 5 credits can hardly be taken as an elite prize even when it was 8 this would be so, if we disagree on that it will be hard to find any common ground. I cannot say what is the right prize for a show as it is not for me to determin.

To your second point I would say and not just to you, but also to others who didn't quite understand what I meant (which was undoubtedly because I was unclear) I don't think giving more money shows more respect. Money can not show respect only disrespect if it is either too little but also when it is too much (although this will lead to lesser complaints). My point was really about putting a discount on a person. I find it totally unacceptable. I guess I might be a bit oversensitive to this, if so I must humbley beg your pardon for it, but I cannot change my view.
I think it is a matter of intrinsic value not to put a discount on a person. Maybe it will attract more viewers, but for how long? Running ETV isn't about this one show, they must also make a profit in the future or they would go out of business. If people will get a discount once they will wait for the next and spend nothing until it comes. This is why it is in my view a very unsound business model ontop of being utterly disrespectfull.

I think you are right the models themselves should fight for their selfesteem, but what you describe as being the problem is only partly agreeable for me. I don't think censorship or gifts are the problem.

I hope I understood you correctly because sometimes I had problems with the construction of the sentences.

To show you respect a model is not a matter of money, it is a matter of the positiv feeling you generate which is the sum of all your actions.

Hopefully I better explained what I meant this time. Actually I think disrespect calls for disrespect, maybe something to think about for all forummembers.

(I brought it here cause it is as much an ETV policy issue then it is anything else in my view)

@timfrance
@space6969

you both are right. Girls - or lets call her stars - like Gia or Scarlet had the absolut talent to tease us in a special way. They provoke us, we were fascinated from their behavior in front of the cam, we dreamed about these girls, and at every begin of one of their shows, there was this special feeling and fascination what we will see or we will not see

For example the "so called Gia's shows" in november (i think 4 sundays) were an erotic highlight and a great pleasure. No wonder, why many guys dream of this girl . That was erotic entertainment at it's best level !!!

With the actual girls, it is just a waste of time to watch ETV. You can see naked girls everytime and everywhere on the web, but highly erotic performances like the former shows, and for example on Gia's peak her - web shows - this was just sensual art on its best!!

A big loss for all fans of erotic art

timfrance wrote:Gia's charm came from her shyness and mystery, so seing her naked would actually be the last thing I want.

You're right with the shyness and mystery part, but when she finally got naked there was rapturous acclamation all over this board, so I would guess
it was a miniscule minority who didn't want to see her naked.

texwillerjr wrote:

galahad wrote:[quote='outside']

. but selling only naked meat without sensuality like they do actually it doesn't work.

sure it does bro sure it does if you want proof The good old days is so active and why? imagine scarlet and gia making uncovered pussy show and anyone can say "no I dont want selling meat I want to see them dressed"?

Gia's charm came from her shyness and mystery, so seing her naked would actually be the last thing I want.

If the only thing that interests you is seing p*** then I suggest you another channel.

galahad wrote:[quote='outside']

. but selling only naked meat without sensuality like they do actually it doesn't work.

sure it does bro sure it does if you want proof The good old days is so active and why? imagine scarlet and gia making uncovered pussy show and anyone can say "no I dont want selling meat I want to see them dressed"?

@outside
@Hilbert

thank you very much.

I can only say to Tia.....BRAVO !!!!!

lucifer70 wrote:......
One question: but a customer who admired Scarlet, or Lin or Mashiara (the true Mashiara) or Gia or the countless beautiful girls (but not only beautiful, girls which were equipped with eroticism and sex appeal) we watched on ETV in the past, how he can look at April, Jeit, Annabelle, Mia etc.?

Regards

easy: we do not look at them in the same way we did with the former models: we save our money!

ETVShow hasn't a strategy at all, it was only choice by models, otherwise why they should put 5 models over 7 of sunday night last night?
Nothing to relate to Gia's tease&denial.
Natasha II did some nightshows and she joined after Alice, Jade, Rose, etc.
@wilson, Tia actually talked about "stars", but I assume the meaning was the same, if I remember correct there is also a video about that but I cannot find.
Maybe posted by Hilbert.

outside wrote:The models you named are part of that class who I cannot name without using unpleasant epithets, since you have just named the ones who act only on webshows and act as nuns on TV or never feature in a nightshow.
Jade and Rose are of this league too.

De gustibus but i don't think they are all nuns and for me it's a precise but wrong Etv strategy, i agree with you that they have to find also a new Gia, a new Scarlet etc. but selling only naked meat without sensuality like they do actually it doesn't work.

outside wrote:

WILSONSAND wrote:

outside wrote:About Tia, I respect her words, but she will be consist if she will never come back.

Sorry outside, i lost something...what she said?

Referring to what Tia said about the incident versus Carrie, and about "starlets".

shit! I lost that speech!! but i think i can imagine what she said....Did she really use the word "starlet"?

WILSONSAND wrote:

outside wrote:About Tia, I respect her words, but she will be consist if she will never come back.

Sorry outside, i lost something...what she said?

Referring to what Tia said about the incident versus Carrie, and about "starlets".

outside wrote:About Tia, I respect her words, but she will be consist if she will never come back.

Sorry outside, i lost something...what she said?

galahad wrote:Certainly i don't expect Brona and Evah to become hot models but with a bold attitude they could be a cow cash for the channel and with new faces like Alice, Tiffany, Olive and Olivia in place of Eliza, Sugar, Spirit, Aria and company probably Etv could find again a wide audience instead of insisting on their web shows without future.

The models you named are part of that class who I cannot name without using unpleasant epithets, since you have just named the ones who act only on webshows and act as nuns on TV or never feature in a nightshow.
Jade and Rose are of this league too.

Here comes the first part: ETVShow isn't anymore unknown in Molvania, that place is badly perceived so it's quite hard to find new girls of that league.
Main reason is of course web stuff who makes ETVShow girls perceived as camgirls.
Last from champions league has been Roshana still in 2011.
And I fear it has been spreaded some voices about Angelina's screen tests. She is a cuddly girl but her manners could be misunderstood.


Seriously, we have to make a reason about ETVShow will never come back good old eUrotic TV.
But we have to confirm everytime it was their guilty. They have already accused viewers (and customers) of their failures.

Certainly i don't expect Brona and Evah to become hot models but with a bold attitude they could be a cow cash for the channel and with new faces like Alice, Tiffany, Olive and Olivia in place of Eliza, Sugar, Spirit, Aria and company probably Etv could find again a wide audience instead of insisting on their web shows without future.