Eurotic TV - General Discussion

Mr_Niceguy wrote:Maybe you're right and these guys want to keep their "closed circle", but I wouldn't use the term "luckers" (like "lucky guys" ?)
for someone who spends a lot of money for merely nothing aka the illusion of friendship.

Friendship is always a two way street in which you can only be sure of your own side. With regard to the other side it comes down to how much you trust someone. My trust is high. I don't think you have sufficient information to make judgement calls on somebody else's friendship. No offense
This does not mean however we have to agree, although I understand your point. A person is something different then a show. I hope you will also understand how I feel eventhough you may not agree with me. The show the girls are making is so much connected to the person, for me the distinction is merely symantic. Having spoken to many of the girls and to one particular girl very much I feel it is safe to say they feel it very personal as well. Maybe they shouldn't and maybe not all of them do, but in general when you compliment a show, you compliment a person. The same goes for criticism, actually if you take a look at much of the complainers post in the forum they are directed at the person and not the show so it seems for most posters the distinction does not excist either.

Mr_Niceguy, Hi.

That's a great discription of a saying we have it in our country. It's only one simple sentence and yet it explains it all

HOW IT GOES INTO THE FOREST, SO IT ECHOES BACK.

Best Regards

space6969 wrote:

zxcv wrote:A closed circle exclusive only for the luckers

Maybe you're right and these guys want to keep their "closed circle", but I wouldn't use the term "luckers" (like "lucky guys" ?)
for someone who spends a lot of money for merely nothing aka the illusion of friendship.

Friendship is always a two way street in which you can only be sure of your own side. With regard to the other side it comes down to how much you trust someone. My trust is high. I don't think you have sufficient information to make judgement calls on somebody else's friendship. No offense

@ Vappiano and Wilsonsand
Thanks. it seems intelligent discussion is still possible.

This does not mean however we have to agree, although I understand your point. A person is something different then a show. I hope you will also understand how I feel eventhough you may not agree with me. The show the girls are making is so much connected to the person, for me the distinction is merely symantic. Having spoken to many of the girls and to one particular girl very much I feel it is safe to say they feel it very personal as well. Maybe they shouldn't and maybe not all of them do, but in general when you compliment a show, you compliment a person. The same goes for criticism, actually if you take a look at much of the complainers post in the forum they are directed at the person and not the show so it seems for most posters the distinction does not excist either.

nighthawk wrote:<snip>

You forgot option D).

WILSONSAND wrote:I buy a show with a model who does a payed work, i don´t buy a time with the model as person.
They are not my friends, they are not my girls, they are not my sisters, they are workers. To me is a very important consideration.

Finally I got confirmed, Thank You Wilson for the given evidence that I was right with my thoughts.
You said they are workers but workers are people too. I think you mean "ROBOTS" that fits better to your point of view. I respect it but don't like it, sorry.
That's the problem in general here and the explanation of all the complainings here, we can read day by day. I don't know, what exactly we should expect. I have seen a lot of nice shows.
Don't say the Ladies weren't undressed enough.
Concerning your comment of their pathetic shouting, like you have expressed it, I can only laugh. No matter to know in front of the show what will happen, if I read there will be Kristina, Mashiara and Tia in, I'll watch it every time.
Only sometimes other unpredictable circumstances can come between the purpose to watch it. I wrote a comment in their wall section, where I was pointing exactly this reason out to them.
If you would be careful read the wall section instead only to complain here, you had noted it. At the beginning of this year the decided to make it downloadable.
What tells it us ? Politness and respect giude us to the target. I think you were referring on this special show.
Don't forget, here are 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 10, or 100 members between the more of 100 000 they take the ladies for a bit more than a pair of breasts and a m...i.
They appreciate them for a person consits of flesh and blood, with a heart and a soul, not to forget to have got a brain in the head !

At last I say thank you for the lot of response of my last comment here. I had a good time with a lot of laughing.
What has been the best ? The estimated 100 viewers of the show

I know how many it had been and they way to get to know it ?

A) Have taken a look into my glassball
B) Was viewing in the sky and draw my conclusion from the constellation of stars
C) Made a call and spend nice minutes with someone who treat you for a friend



Now I stay with
Best Regards

Someone from the rebel alliance

vappiano68 wrote:

Iguana wrote:could someone please explain how this censorship works....i have often wondered why the cameraman seems to drop his camera as soon as the girl that he focused on drops her panties.

The main part of ETV' censorship is a manipulation.

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Maybe it can help you to understand how censorship works in ETVland.

zxcv wrote:A closed circle exclusive only for the luckers

Maybe you're right and these guys want to keep their "closed circle", but I wouldn't use the term "luckers" (like "lucky guys" ?)
for someone who spends a lot of money for merely nothing aka the illusion of friendship.

vappiano68 wrote:but why should we believe that "discounts" on the service are offensive to the girls

The only answer for your question is ....There are so many out there who strongly believe that ETV should stay as it used to be.... A closed circle exclusive only for the luckers ....Meanwhile blocking every attempt to extend this very narrow circle of customers .

@ all
If I am wrong please let me know...But I guess that the expression of thoughts and views in the post which vappiano has referred to in his argument revealed to some deep extend .....How exactly " The luckers " think !

Iguana wrote:could someone please explain how this censorship works....i have often wondered why the cameraman seems to drop his camera as soon as the girl that he focused on drops her panties.

The main part of ETV' censorship is a manipulation.

Mr_Niceguy wrote:

WILSONSAND wrote:From ETV Wall, Mr.Niceguy:
"... In all honesty I feel it is totally unacceptable a show this good could be seen for only 5 credits. You cannot really put a price on what Mashi or any other model for that matter is giving to the viewer. What we should at least give her is the respect she/they deserve(s). Asking only 5 credits for a 4 hour premium is doing exactly the opposite, In doing so you are opening the door for other disrespectfull behavior towards models and I can imagine it taking a toll on these wonderfull girls selfesteem. I understand you are trying to run a business and you are trying different ways to attract customers and this discount show was a means to that end. However in my opinion this will be very counterproductive in the medium term. I have never written on the wall as I didn't want to bother you, but I feel very strongly about this. I hope you will consider my feelings on this matter as you try to imagine yourself in the models position and how you would feel in that position. Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself..."

And sorry, i can´t believe what i´ve read, i agree the shows were good, but...what is this? Maybe this is the first time i know a customer ask for more expensive prizes....¿? Maybe Mr. Niceguy wants shows only a minor elite of rich men watching the shows...and i wonder...what is better for the selfesteem of the models: 10 guys watching a 10credits shows or 25 guys watching a 5 credits show? 10 or 25 customers?

Mr.Niceguy says it´s an "totally unacceptable" prize, because 5 credits hurts the models selfesteem. But, who Mr.Niceguy does think they are? Bar Rafaelli o Giselle Bündchen? No, with all due respects, and they know it (exception made with Karry, sorry... ). I don´t think this girls are not superstars to make expensive shows. They are amateurs, and they know perfectly well where they are working and who are working with. Some time ago, Mashi was doing hotter shows for free without this "extra" money of this premium shows.

I think 8 euros for 4 hours of show is right as attracting customer strategy. If they do that, it´s because they want more customers, and that´s why they set lower prizes and discounts.

Anyway, take a look at the shows: the models spend almost 15 minutes/show or even more at micro, x4 shows= 1 hour at micro, so you are really watching 4-1=3 hours of pure show, what is almost the duration of The hobbit, the last film from Peter Jackson, and is almost what i must pay for enjoying this mega production at cinema with a super big screen.

Anyway, ETV cried because the show with Mashi, Kristina and Tia had almost no viewers, (i think that is worse for the models selfesteem) so if ETV wants being alive, and wants more people buying the shows and finally, if ETV wants money and paying that great artists like Mashi, or Suzy or Jeit , it seems cheaper prizes are a good choice, (i think there was a good number of customers watching mashi, so it seemed the prizes strategy worked well), and if they don´t get money, this great artists will lose their work, what could it be worst for their selfesteem.

I think the models must fight for their selfsteem making respectable their job. And the first who don´t respect their job is ETV, making them working in stupid and exhausting shifts, and producing the shows with a shameful censorship that destroys their job all the time, or their own creativity, eroticism and talent because absurd artistics pretensions from the staff. By the way, in my opinion, the gifts selling strategy with so expensive prizes should shame someone, and shame is not very good to selfesteem. Maybe they lost it all to accept it all, or maybe they don´t know what selfesteem or shame it is after so many time working with this guys.

p.s.: I do not think the measure of respect is the cost of their shows, but their work and their attitude with the customers.

well Wilsonsand thanks for this post and bringing my words from the wall to this site. It must have taken quite some effort to write it.

Anyway it deserves some good attention, so it took a bit longer to reply, sorry about that.

To you first point I would say 5 credits can hardly be taken as an elite prize even when it was 8 this would be so, if we disagree on that it will be hard to find any common ground. I cannot say what is the right prize for a show as it is not for me to determin.

To your second point I would say and not just to you, but also to others who didn't quite understand what I meant (which was undoubtedly because I was unclear) I don't think giving more money shows more respect. Money can not show respect only disrespect if it is either too little but also when it is too much (although this will lead to lesser complaints). My point was really about putting a discount on a person. I find it totally unacceptable. I guess I might be a bit oversensitive to this, if so I must humbley beg your pardon for it, but I cannot change my view.
I think it is a matter of intrinsic value not to put a discount on a person. Maybe it will attract more viewers, but for how long? Running ETV isn't about this one show, they must also make a profit in the future or they would go out of business. If people will get a discount once they will wait for the next and spend nothing until it comes. This is why it is in my view a very unsound business model ontop of being utterly disrespectfull.

I think you are right the models themselves should fight for their selfesteem, but what you describe as being the problem is only partly agreeable for me. I don't think censorship or gifts are the problem.

I hope I understood you correctly because sometimes I had problems with the construction of the sentences.

To show you respect a model is not a matter of money, it is a matter of the positiv feeling you generate which is the sum of all your actions.

Hopefully I better explained what I meant this time. Actually I think disrespect calls for disrespect, maybe something to think about for all forummembers.

(I brought it here cause it is as much an ETV policy issue then it is anything else in my view)

I will try to be a "niceguy" , but I need to say some words about this point.

If you know our economy and you know how it has developed during the years, you know that what ETV offers is a "service".
Now, when we agree that it's a "service". we know that there are:

- a business
- a market, made by costumers

A business has to be tuned up to the market, which is made by costumers. So, maybe speaking about prices or "discounts" could sound to be "vulgar" , because we talk about a "service" proposed by some girls.
However it's a "service", and it follows the economic rules of every "service".
The "discount" is not over the person, but over the service.

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What do I find so strange as regard all this matter?

When this forum was born, the economic business of these girls was the same.
We enjoyed and shared the best moments of the shows.

I respect all the girls working on ETV or on the other channels,
but why should we believe that "discounts" on the service are offensive to the girls
while selling something of the "private life" is not offensive ?

My honest opinion is that all these arguments are due to the low quality of the shows, so there's nothing more to debate or to appreciate about the shows, and we have some conjectures about other matters, which shouldn't be the purpose of this forum.

I hope you all can accept my words without considering them to be offensive.
Offending is not my aim.

outside wrote:Glassy is right when he states nighshows are just warmed dayshows, but it's not because of censorship, it's because they are tuning nightshows softer and softer to sell webshows.
So the answer is stop buying credits.

Looking at webshow yesterday cast (Aria and Kiara) it seems it wasn't so.

Iguana wrote:could someone please explain how this censorship works....i have often wondered why the cameraman seems to drop his camera as soon as the girl that he focused on drops her panties.

there is no censorship, just in the imagination of some members here.

timfrance wrote:[quote='texwillerjr'][quote='galahad'][quote='outside']



Gia's charm came from her shyness and mystery, so seing her naked would actually be the last thing I want.

If the only thing that interests you is seing p*** then I suggest you another channel.

it is nonsense. If gia did not started to make topless show then even pussy oops let say not nobody but very few one care about her and she already forgotten. I watched etv since 2005 those good days everybody show what they want easily and what is etv different with other hot channels? etv has always beautifull girls like helena,tamara,alexa,malena,kaleya,gia,scarlet and many others. you wrong about here I am not expecting porn movement on etv but I expect fully nudity and what is wrong with that? I dont know why you follow etv but I (at least) followed etv watched beautifull and hot women get fully naked masturbate while watch them it is that simple

could someone please explain how this censorship works....i have often wondered why the cameraman seems to drop his camera as soon as the girl that he focused on drops her panties.

First of all thanks for trying to explaining better, thank you truly.

Mr_Niceguy wrote:To you first point I would say 5 credits can hardly be taken as an elite prize even when it was 8 this would be so

I din´t say 5 credits it´s a elite prize, just the opposite. I said the prize was good to atract viewers, you think that prize is to cheap and you told it to ETV, it´s your point, i don´t agree with you. You can´t say and determin what is the right prize but you can say and determin that is not a right prize, even more: "totally unacceptable". I found strange somebody complaining about cheap prizes, honestly. I don´t have much money, so i appreciate that from ETV. I think you are wrong when you say "My point was really about putting a discount on a person" they are not discounting a person, they are discounting a show (made from a model whoever) and they are doing it because they don´t want to leave the models alone with a ridiculous number of viewers, as they complained to us in a very pathetic way some time ago. I think it´s completely wrong when people mix personal feelings about the girls as persons with their job, sometimes forgetting they are payed for that. I buy a show with a model who does a payed work, i don´t buy a time with the model as person. They are not my friends, they are not my girls, they are not my sisters, they are workers. To me is a very important consideration.

It´s not only for atract the viewers...yes, after that they must keep that customers and they must work for keeping the shows interesting. But believe me, if they have less customers, and they also set 8 credits for show, they won´t have the chance for winning more or new customers, and they will hardly keep their fans. And that´s not good for ETv, and neither for the models I think sometimes discounts can be an approach and a welcome gesture to the customers, and they can show not so ugly face as they usually do with the customers. Anyway they are trying all kind of strategies, and meanwhile i agree with you that the last week premium shows were good and with a good prize (to cheap for you) they have charged us with a bigger amount of credits for horrible shows, bad produced, bad lightened, shamefully censored and with not the right image quality (especially when more than 3 models). So i think they should do some more weeks like the last to compensate the overpricing, honestly

Finally, you don't think censorship or gifts are the problem, and i think that are only some of the problems

Thanks for your kind message again.

best regards.

Chris26 wrote:

Slowfox wrote:

Chris26 wrote:

Slowfox wrote:apparently you are the happy one

strange fetish though

Actually I find it totally disgusting if I have to be honest, but to each his own. There is a stomacache fetish, after all...

why bothering to mention then, and put it up for discussion when it is disgusting ?

sometimes silence is of greater value

Uhm, because I find it disgusting and I'd prefer it not to happen anymore?
Since, you know, I really don't want to spend 2€ to tell the team to monitor their employees' lower parts.

When you don't like something, shutting up about it without ever mentioning it sounds like a scenario from 1984.

Nothing against 1984, please. It had been one of the nicest years...
But I don't want to tell why, that's my secret