The state of the forum (ETV)

I have my reasons to believe that cris-cris is lace.

Dear friend, I answer with pleasure and without problems to your question, I don't want to be a person that gives the impression to avoid the relations with other members, that I retain precious and a good manifestation of democracy, virtual but always democracy. Sincerely I think that my decision to land in this forum and the time in which I decided to post hasn't any relevance and risks really to be very boring for the other viewers, thing that I'd ilike to avoid But, I repeat, you have asked me this and I have to give you an answer.
I think simply that for everything there's a correct time. We cannot always decide about the events that happen in our time, I think, perhaps mistaking, that the destiny gives you an occasion in a right moment; it isn't important to know why it is the right moment, it is right and stop.
Things happen sometimes above our will; why, for example, has the Berlin wall fallen in 1989 and not in 1974? Why has Cristoforo Colombo discovered America in 1492 and not in 1475? I don't konw what you think but I believe a lot in the role of the destiny and in the one of the time that knows in many cases better than me what I need. If I have decided to not post for two years was exactly because it wasn't the right moment. But i Have read the space of Liveshow in this time, and I, in general but also in particular for Etv, haven't been exactly dormant. The last thing and then I stop annoying everyone; Cris Cris is only a simple viewer,can post or not, is now herebut tomorrow could not be still here. I WANT TO PUT AT THE CENTRE OF THIS SPACE THE LIFE AND THE PERFORMANCES OF THE MODELS THAT I LOVE ALL A LOT FOR THEIR SIMPLICITY AND THEIR YOUNG FRESHNESS, NOT CRIS CRIS THAT IS ONLY A PERSON THAT EXPRESSES OPINION LIKE EVERY OTHER MEMBER.
Have a good day
P.s: if you want to say me about your favourite models, I'm glad.

CommanderData wrote:

Watcher wrote:. . . I had no person in mind when I wrote the quote in yellow. . .

Thank you for this clear and unmistakable clarification. Now even I am able to understand it.

Please take my apologise for my wrong suspicion.

Watcher wrote:. . . Well 'CommanderData' a suggestion ... stick to logical deduction and give the speculation a miss . . ..

Well "Watcher" a suggestion ... stick to clear speech without riddles and and give no reasons for missed speculations . . . .


Have a nice evening!

Data

Hmmm ... A sneaky little edit there, which I will not let pass.

A further clarification: The words written are clear, the riddles only appear in your mind when trying to see more than is written.

cris-cris wrote:Dear friend, I'd like to communicate with you. I don't want to be a person that has to teach something to someone.
I cannot teach something to myself, imagine If i can teach something to other persons. I want to be only a simple viewer that has the pleasure to speak with every person in this forum with the maximum liberty but above all with the maximum respect, because one of the few things that I've really learnt from my life is that respect is to attribute to everyone. I would be glad, for example, to know which models you prefer, I have already said it and, If you want, can read it in my messages. Best regards and have a nice day.

I'm sorry, 'cris-cris'. In all the previous confusion, your mention in my original post has been somewhat overlooked.
I think I understand the point you are trying to make in the above quote but again, it beggars the question: Why now?
You joined the forum and sat dormant for over 2½ years then, in a matter of six days, make 68 posts.
What happened in the days leading up to November 10th to cause this sudden change?
Do not feel compelled to answer, I am just sufficiently curious about this transformation to make a comment.

Dear friend, I'd like to communicate with you. I don't want to be a person that has to teach something to someone.
I cannot teach something to myself, imagine If i can teach something to other persons. I want to be only a simple viewer that has the pleasure to speak with every person in this forum with the maximum liberty but above all with the maximum respect, because one of the few things that I've really learnt from my life is that respect is to attribute to everyone. I would be glad, for example, to know which models you prefer, I have already said it and, If you want, can read it in my messages. Best regards and have a nice day.

CommanderData wrote:

eigentor wrote:Data, in friendly, this is propably a misunderstanding that can be easily solved:
You thought Watcher was referring to FCN2011 (for everybody: "Frankenland" is the region where he comes from), which he obviously was not.
I read his post as a general speculation about who rotate might be, and not as a provocation this time. He will not be able to clear up who he means,
because he doesn´t know himself.

So all the commotion was more or less in vain, but is at the same time exemplary for the state of the forum...a battleground

Watcher wrote: The writing style and confidence makes me think he has done this before, so perhaps an 'old friend' has reinvented himself and come back to haunt us ...

So, let me see ... Watcher speaks about anybody in this style . . . because he doesnt know himself who he meant?

Sorry, that is ridiculous . . . Watcher, Sir, with all respect: do you really dont know yourself who you decribe as an "old friend" in an ironic way?

eigentor wrote:So all the commotion was more or less in vain, but is at the same time exemplary for the state of the forum...a battleground

I didnt start the fire . . .

I f watcher would only give the clear statement, that FCN was not meant by this, I would apologise for my suspicion of mobbing and forget the whole thing. For the peace of this forum . . .

Thank you, nuff said from my side . . .

Okay, I'm not one to continually explain myself but, since this is getting ridiculous, I will elucidate.
In fact, 'eigentor' has a very good grasp of the situation. As I have said before, I choose my words carefully and, unlike some, if I have nothing to say, I do not write.
So, the ridiculous can also be true. I had no person in mind when I wrote the quote in yellow. As the words say, the writings of 'rotate13' looked like those of an experienced forum poster.
Well 'CommanderData' a suggestion ... stick to logical deduction and give the speculation a miss.
Oh! ... That apology ...

The important thing is not to connect me to cris-cris ... my initial style was similar .. I laugh . now go back to my silence, I can not comment on what I don't see .. I read .. and I am convinced that the absence of real discussion in the forum( above all in the models section and also in the ls there are not so many posts..), you end up starting discussions often specious between those who say, not knowing .. between those who say, knowing .. between those who ask for evidence.. who has, but he does not care to discuss .. not to mention the phrases said by others, which are linked to the wrong people, or phrases extracted from a context (I know this very well..) sometimes because the writer (maybe even me ..) writes bad .. sometimes because the reader does not understand the meaning .. or even to speculate on it!!! And from this who are born those, rightly so, watcher called supporters .. is this a fault, rather than a merit of all .. excluding no one, including me.. I can not believe that now there are teams here, more that objective people .. I also say this to myself .. maybe if we try to tell this to ourself, we'll continue to disagree on many things, but not in this absolute and blind way.. I don't watch more Etv, I do not like it anymore.. and it is certainly mine problem .. that problem is not! Indeed! So I just post this I call friendly .. and reflective .. unlike those who, for the sake of answering, suggests almost disdain to change channels etc etc. .. I should mention that criticism and complaining are two different things .. and anyway should be respected in any case, as who does not like Etv must respect that there are those who have a pleasure in that .. and maybe discuss about it, instead of sentencing.. That said, I wish you good forum and good Etv .. as a critic, I'll be quiet, disappointed by Etv way, but as I said before, my problem! Also using the web translator it took me hours! Greetings to all

Hi DATA, after being on this site for nearly 3 years you can get an idea of peoples writing style and Watcher see's the same as me and others, only you seemed to think he meant your friend fcn, i did not and Moderators have a list of banned members longer than 3 of shaky's F1 rules posts of names to look through , some names even i don't know but are banned for a reason

I did speculate in private who rotate might be and no doubt the PM system as been busy also on this, but no Watcher was talking about an ex UK member.

I commend you for coming to fcn's defence but in this case it was not needed

CommanderData wrote:I didnt start the fire . . .

I f watcher would only give the clear statement, that FCN was not meant by this, I would apologise for my suspicion of mobbing and forget the whole thing. For the peace of this forum . . .

Thank you, nuff said from my side . . .

I didn´t want to blame anyone. That´s why I said misunderstanding.
I hope Watcher will make that clear, because I liked his initial statement and the one before it and I find it sad it ended like this.

eigentor wrote:but is at the same time exemplary for the state of the forum...a battleground

The discussion reminds me an old [hidden link - please register] song.
Unfortunately for germans only via proxy available.

Data, in friendly, this is propably a misunderstanding that can be easily solved:
You thought Watcher was referring to FCN2011 (for everybody: "Frankenland" is the region where he comes from), which he obviously was not.
I read his post as a general speculation about who rotate might be, and not as a provocation this time. He will not be able to clear up who he means,
because he doesn´t know himself.

So all the commotion was more or less in vain, but is at the same time exemplary for the state of the forum...a battleground

CommanderData wrote:

Tarl_Cabot wrote:sorry, but for everyone who has read Watcher's posts in the past and also the posts of his suspect(s) it's quite visible/ readable.

Sorry no, maybe I am too stupid to understand this kind of posts. . . why not just tell the f...ing name if you want to be understood the right way. Period!

and btw. . . it is not only me, lots of people read this as an attack against "frankenland". If this was not the case, I would appreciate if Watcher please could clear that up, in a way that even I can understand it right. Thank you in advance!

Sorry, I went to bed early with a good book and missed all the fun.
This is not meant to be patronising or insulting to other nationalities but if you read and understand my posts, as written, you may see the subtleties that could be lost in translation. I choose my words carefully.
It seems to me that we have reached this point by way of 'Chinese whisper', each post reacting to the previous one until the original message gets severely distorted. Perhaps you should refer back to what I actually said.

Watcher wrote:The writing style and confidence makes me think he has done this before, so perhaps an 'old friend' has reinvented himself and come back to haunt us ...

I do not present it as fact, merely a feeling. Therefore I have no "f...ing name" to tell.
'lots of people read this as an attack against "frankenland" ' What, more than you and your two supporters? And explain "frankenland" please.

Earlier still, CommanderData wrote:

Watcher wrote:The writing style and confidence makes me think he has done this before, so perhaps an 'old friend' has reinvented himself and come back to haunt us ...

You think wrong, once again . . .

btw. it is not nice to denounce somebody who is not able to defend himself at this place anymore . . . for whatever reasons

and WILSONSAND wrote:watcher, with all due respects, ABSOLUTELY WRONG.

For me to be wrong to say what I said would ... well, actually, if you read and understand what has been quoted, I cannot be wrong. I expressed an opinion, I did not state anything to be fact.
For you to state that I am wrong would require you to know who the person in question is and that they had never posted to this forum previously.

CommanderData wrote:And if so, what I still dont believe . . . why does he not speak it out clear and with a particular name? So there cant be no misunderstandings. . . .

But I think it is fun for him to provocate, maybe the only fun of his poor life . . .

sorry, but for everyone who has read Watcher's posts in the past and also the posts of his suspect(s) it's quite visible/ readable.

Watcher wrote:Secondly, the contribution of 'rotate13' (rotate13 = rot13 = a modified Ceasar cipher: a pretty useless way of hiding what you mean)
Joined us at the end of August and has been stirring since the word go.
The writing style and confidence makes me think he has done this before, so perhaps an 'old friend' has reinvented himself and come back to haunt us ...

neither the cryptic name nor the writing style fits to the person you talk about, or?
and if Watcher finds a prove he'll for sure use it.

but I can asure you that Watcher isn't the only one who thinks about other forum members and also we'll have an eye on it.

CommanderData wrote:. . sure, you defend this kind of mobbing here . . . I expected nothing else from you

first of all neither rotate nor Watcher is someone who must be defended. big have a big mouth and try to kick other arses and so they should accept an answer.
and secondly, dear Data & WILSON, your friend wouldn't be worth a post for Watcher and so it would be the best for you not being pushed by your friend.

Watcher isn't searching in Frankenland, he's more interested in HH or Wales I'd assume.
if you'd compare the english levels in the posts you'd see a big difference and for sure Watcher has realised this, too.

and of course the Mods of this forum have an own idea about rotate and in a certain situation I've tested rotate and he gave answer of things your friend cannot know.

watcher, with all due respects, ABSOLUTELY WRONG.