Eurotic TV - General Discussion

As you can see..... even you are "blinded" by easy-money.

if you work only for "fans" surely you don't have other people, but if you work for all, you have also "fans" so.......

15102004 wrote:i think that now the focus should be on actual situation, and maybe mr HvB could help etv's management to understand what is the best option for the future.
Even if i don't know the cost for a satellite feed, i'm pretty sure that leaving Sat for Web (now English, tomorrow Italians and soon the whole package).. it is surely the end of the ETV, or at least what we know. They are absolutly uniques like sat channel and this was their lucky and in spite of everything still resist, and they are also uniques as website, i checked a bit but i can't find nothing so bad. They live just for their "fans", now they have to value what is better:

20/30 that may pay 100
or 1000/2000 that may pay 1

And the second number is surely too low respect of their potential.

I agree,
Unfortunately I don't know the reason for the decission. So it's pretty difficult to argue against something you don't know and understand.
Of course you could make the transmission via sky so economicly attractive that they need to rethink. But I guess that is not the solution you have in mind ;)

on the numbers you posted: I assume that's daily figures?
20/30 that may pay 100 =2000/3000
or 1000/2000 that may pay 1 = 1000/2000
I would take the first option ...

You probably mean that:
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it was from november 11th, more than a month later that skype conversation.

Receivers you mean were marginal because receivers were mainly replaced from Sky in 2006-2007 (from viewers who had receiver on loan, far the majority Sky Italy users, viewers who still had that receiver had another kind of contract so they bought the receiver, marginal as I wrote above).
Those receivers you mean were "Access Media" model and they were able to see ETV new frequency since the beginning, without any kind of deal.
Other receivers able to watch ETV had a dual feed plant so what they received, after a re-scanning, was nothing but ETV ASTRA.
This was just the mistake done by that guy who suggested hard reset. he had a dual feed plant so he could receive ETV Astra.

P.S. you could notice "Canali" word spelled with blanks because it contains "anal" word inside.
That was their forum.

outside wrote:I have lived that situation day by day firstofall as a viewer and then as moderator of a place where there were a lot of help and information requests from people who hand't any answer from who should give them.
We had also to fight with people who sent ETV (by sms and by their forum) a false procedure that included receiver hard reset. That procedure was wrong and it would compromise the entire receiver working (and serious problems with Sky for users who had their receivers on loan). But Mimosa and Gigi suggested to use that procedure. We had to contact them about that.

I was also moderator here at that time, and I received help requests here too.
More I have witnesses from models and moderators (not only Simone) who talked about lack of calls (are you perchance denying this too?) and about lack of willings and competence to solve the question by the management.

you're my hero

I have no idea what tips Mimosa and Gigi gave.
I just remember that etv had the 'How to' from your forum on it's homepage (and propperly attributed the authorship).

and of course you remember

[04.10.2010 20:54:59] etv: it looks like we are back in Sky epg
[04.10.2010 20:55:06] Harald: (y)
[04.10.2010 20:55:12] Harald: at least some good news
[04.10.2010 20:55:20] etv: I have to find a trustable source to confirm this
[04.10.2010 20:55:39] etv: We can not see the sky package here
[04.10.2010 20:55:56] Harald: I'm just finding some Italian
[04.10.2010 20:56:00] etv: but is seems that we are vissible on sky recievers now
[04.10.2010 20:56:35] Harald: Outside is on
[04.10.2010 20:56:43] Harald: I'll ask him
[04.10.2010 21:02:58] Harald: Outside: I'll test soon, thx 4 info.
[04.10.2010 21:03:28] Harald: I'll try to find another one
[04.10.2010 21:15:47] Harald: Outside: At the moment no way. I'll check tomorrow.
lets hope for number two ...
[04.10.2010 21:24:05] Harald: response from Italian No. 2: For now, no way.....
[04.10.2010 21:24:15] Harald: doesn't seem to be back
[04.10.2010 21:24:40] etv: we have a lot of viewers that report that thay watch us on sky now
[04.10.2010 21:26:52] etv: we had agreement to put is back on the epg made on 5th of september...

so on some receivers it was back in early October on others it took till November

i think that now the focus should be on actual situation, and maybe mr HvB could help etv's management to understand what is the best option for the future.
Even if i don't know the cost for a satellite feed, i'm pretty sure that leaving Sat for Web (now English, tomorrow Italians and soon the whole package).. it is surely the end of the ETV, or at least what we know. They are absolutly uniques like sat channel and this was their lucky and in spite of everything still resist, and they are also uniques as website, i checked a bit but i can't find nothing so bad. They live just for their "fans", now they have to value what is better:

20/30 that may pay 100
or 1000/2000 that may pay 1

And the second number is surely too low respect of their potential.

I have lived that situation day by day firstofall as a viewer and then as moderator of a place where there were a lot of help and information requests from people who hand't any answer from who should give them.
We had also to fight with people who sent ETV (by sms and by their forum) a false procedure that included receiver hard reset. That procedure was wrong and it would compromise the entire receiver working (and serious problems with Sky for users who had their receivers on loan). But Mimosa and Gigi suggested to use that procedure. We had to contact them about that.

I was also moderator here at that time, and I received help requests here too.
More I have witnesses from models and moderators (not only Simone) who talked about lack of calls (are you perchance denying this too?) and about lack of willings and competence to solve the question by the management.

outside wrote:Ask your friends in Molvania for HB recordings from august to november 2010.

That is your source on how the negotiations went and where the time was lost?
Interesting.

Ask your friends in Molvania for HB recordings from august to november 2010.

outside wrote:Sorry but yours are stories, your source's reliability is less than zero, since it's people who usually lie and did it many times.
It's useless you post the entire skype conversation, it always will be Cicero pro domo sua.

Facts were Sky Italy users couldn't access ETV for 3 months, sure not their fault.

Ok, post the sources of your deep knowledge.
Or did it all just come to you overnight *bang* and you were enlightened ?

outside wrote:

Haiduc wrote:Leaving Sky Italy means losing an 80-90% of their audience in that country, due to poor use of FTA receivers.
Sat is Sky, in Italy; that means that only a small number of people receive ETV with an alternative system.

Honestly I don't know if they pay or are paid for appearing in Sky decoder "logical channel numbering" (I think it's a good question...), but I'm pretty sure that won't be a good move for their business.

If the decision isn't definitive, I suggest them to think about that, not one time, but two (or three, or ten...).

Sure they know, it already happened in 2010, when they moved to another frequence, out of Sky Italy receivers.
Calls and sms from Italy dropped to zero. They handled the issue in their peculiar way so that was what they obtain.
When viewers called to report about it, first answer from italian moderators (mainly Mimosa, but Gigi and Clio too) was "it doesn't depend on us, it depends on your system".
After some weeks they changed to "it doesn't depend on us, you have to ask Sky".
Only in november (10 November 2010, starting from the same period in August) ETV appeared again on Sky receivers.
That was because former italian moderator Simone (the one and only good person there) thumped his bosses to get a deal with Sky Italy, otherwise very few people would buy a FTA receiver to watch ETV.
Guess about Simone's source.

Maybe the amount of calls and sms from Italy has now becomen so little that they chose to save their money.
Because you have to pay Sky to be in their EPG, specially if your purpose could compete to Sky content (Sky Hot Club, for example).

I think that, despite the decreased amount of calls and sms, they can't leave completely italian market, leaving Sky Italy.
I don't think also they are so blind to suppose that italian viewers can follow them on internet, because only a very small part of the audience has interest in doing that; I mean, ETV exists as a TV station from 2004, and only from several months they try to have an impact on the web (with not-so-great results, at now): italian audience had known them from the beginning as a TV station, not as an internet site.
The fact that in a couple of months of abscence in 2010 the amounts of calls collapsed confirms my theory.

Honestly I don't know if they pay or not for appearing in Sky LCN: I know for sure that some channel is paid by Sky for appearing in their EPG; probably it isn't the case of ETV.

Sorry but yours are stories, your source's reliability is less than zero, since it's people who usually lie and did it many times.
It's useless you post the entire skype conversation, it always will be Cicero pro domo sua.

Facts were Sky Italy users couldn't access ETV for 3 months, sure not their fault.

outside wrote:.
When viewers called to report about it, first answer from italian moderators (mainly Mimosa, but Gigi and Clio too) was "it doesn't depend on us, it depends on your system".
After some weeks they changed to "it doesn't depend on us, you have to ask Sky".
Only in november (10 November 2010, starting from the same period in August) ETV appeared again on Sky receivers.

All always guilty viewers.As it resembles the story of the Webstream!

outside wrote:As usual is always someone else's fault.
You talked about october, but ETV disappeared from Sky receivers from 10 August.

HvB wrote:[22.09.2010 23:22:03] etv: And with all sky italy burokrates we can not include eurotic in their epg for one month allready
negotiations started back in August ,,,

outside wrote:Sky had the knife by the handle, they should expect that and they should move in time.

[15.12.2010 15:29:42] etv: but Eutelsat wants to move us again on another frequency
[15.12.2010 15:29:49] etv: after 30 days
[15.12.2010 15:29:57] Harald: (puke)
[15.12.2010 15:30:17] etv: I am tired of moving the frequencies
You remember the short term frequence hovering?
I remember someone who was sure that it was because of a cheaper transponder...

outside wrote:Why do you persist at defending the indefendable?

I don't. I just put the facts straight. They are maybe not as nice as your stories, and they have no hero, but they actually happened ...
I could turn around the question: why do you insist that it's all and only etvs fault even though you verifiably (see above) don't know what happened and insist and conclude from some made up stories?

As usual it's always someone else's fault.
You talked about october, but ETV disappeared from Sky receivers from 10 August.
Sky had the knife by the handle, they should expect that and they should move in time.


Why do you persist at defending the undefendable?

malmaisons wrote:

brokingbull wrote:ps: Last week naked girls ran through the streets of Berlin, during erotic fair "Venus 2012". A "no go" in Vatikan, eh, Pakistan, grrr, ..........Molvanian!!

I remember Jaya, Veni and one or two others going to 'Venus' to promote ETV. Well, this was way back in the good old times

They where at the Venus 2006 and 2007, but not to promote etv ...