Eurotic TV - General Discussion

HvB wrote:

vappiano68 wrote:Sorry, there's no more possibility to be constructive, because it's not a matter of ideas, it's a matter of will.

As expected.

HvB, I hope you're joking.
What do you expect?
I don't refer to "bizzarre" or "impossible" ideas, but this forum has always been full of suggestions.
Even the best videothreads are a source of suggestion.

ETV's answer, written on the "fantastic wall" in simple words:
we want viewers who share our ideas, we want to enjoy ourselves, without taking care of other aspects.
We don't want to be annoyed with viewers' wishes.

It's clear that our suggestions are annoying for ETV.
So, when I realized that it's not a matter of ideas, but a matter of will (or not will) from ETV, I can't do anything more.

HvB wrote:But thanks for confirming that the primary target is to be as destructive as possible. Exactly what pissed me off in some place

Please, gimme some hints.
Where can I find the explanation that if I'm no more propositive then it means that "the primary target is to be as destructive as possible" ?
I try simply to be as "indifferent" as possible.

HvB wrote:Especially if they need a safe place where they won't have to expect a reply.

q.e.d.

I don't need to reply anymore.
I won't shoot red cross.

outside wrote:Firstofall why I should send them a script? For free? So if this script could be good they will use for a premium show so I could neither see the output.

Of course not for free. They certainly pay you from all the money you spend on them ... Why do you expect that everything has to be free for you, but if you should do something it has to be paid? Can you explain?

outside wrote:More: a script could be good for a show, maximum two. I am from pizza homeland and I like pizza a lot, but having pizza every day it would be hard.

So it's too much effort to send in 3 scripts/day if you have to write them, but on the other hand it's what you expect them to do? Interesting ...

outside wrote:a spa treatment for two (so you could join her)?

That would be very kind of you. I like the spa treatment, because it's wonderful relaxing, and would really enjoy to be your guest.
I know you won't understand: some people like to create a little happy moment for others, without thinking what they will get in return ...

outside wrote:P.S. italian forum was so unimportant that received a letter from ETV lawyers.
This was the price for our independance.
But this isn't the place to discuss about that.

Really? Good. The letter is well deserved and you know very well that it's not the price for independance. In fact you know that you're acting at least very stupid in a desperate cry for attention.
Maybe I should hire a layer, too. I remember quite some insulting posts ... na, not my style. I prefer to laugh about the posters. Especially if they need a safe place where they won't have to expect a reply.

HvB wrote:

outside wrote:I am member since Jan 2007. I have read about "send them a script" about billions times.
This wasn't the point.

This is the point. Saying everything sucks is easy and cheap.
How many scripts did you send? How much effort have you put in changing what you don't like?
The answer to both is likely none. So what do you complain about?

I have read many ridicolous posts from you, specially in this thread (including your envy about italian forum), but this beats everything.
So does it suffice just a script? Really?
Maybe Aria has given you some cigarettes from hers (Prozac flavoured).

Firstofall why I should send them a script? For free? So if this script could be good they will use for a premium show so I could neither see the output.
More: a script could be good for a show, maximum two. I am from pizza homeland and I like pizza a lot, but having pizza every day it would be hard.
This is not a matter of scripts, this is a matter of business models, they focused on webshows and they failed, they depauperated TV shpws to make webshows special and they failed.
So what effort could I give? Give them some money? Give my favourite girls a teddybear or a photocamera or a spa treatment for two (so you could join her)?
Easy and cheap, but true.

P.S. italian forum was so unimportant that received a letter from ETV lawyers.
This was the price for our independance.
But this isn't the place to discuss about that.

outside wrote:I am member since Jan 2007. I have read about "send them a script" about billions times.
This wasn't the point.

This is the point. Saying everything sucks is easy and cheap.
How many scripts did you send? How much effort have you put in changing what you don't like?
The answer to both is likely none. So what do you complain about?

I am member since Jan 2007. I have read about "send them a script" about billions times.
This wasn't the point.

TV shows aren't their core business anymore.
Sky UK experiment was, ça va sans dire a failure..
Calls and messages dropped because of webshows, because of two main reason:
1. they weren't able to get the cake bigger, so maybe web slice increased but TV slice decreased, but incomes were the same (to be quite optymistic, I assume they lose money because they had more costs to cover)
2. They got less calls and sms because they perceived girls in a different way since webshows and "presents" stuff have started. I have already pointed this, you know how I name this, no need to explain again.
Adding a maybe third reason
3. maybe zxcv was right when he pointed that "regulars" and "fanboys" don't want anything to be changed, defending "status quo".

So they didn't increase their incoming with webshows and they got calls and sms amounts down at the same time.
So they aren't able to cover some costs anymore. First step has been Sky UK. Next will be Sky Italy (consequently italian moderators will be fired, not a big loss talking about Mimosa and Alberto). Then HB or Astra. They will have to choose, it will depend on income: more from VIP SMS or arab-farsi advertising banners?
They will countinue only as webshows, maybe with another name, as Point X after Red Lips quitted.
Of course, they won't need so many models, maybe they will fire at least half roster.
Since they arent able to handle a server with so many access, the main show will be our best friend the white wheel.

I hope someone won't put himself as "dealer" anymore, he has already done enough damages.

outside wrote:Well, some months ago someone accused me (as italian forum moderator, 1.000.000 visits today ) of poor gold memberships purchases from italian people due to "Cialtrons" campaign.
I won't tell you who accused me because I have some mercy.
So it's italian forum guilty too.

No. It's too unimportant for anybody to care about it.
With roughly 100 000 posts by the moderators, it's alone 300 000 visits by them to read their posts.
Which tells us a lot about how little everybody else cares for it.

outside wrote:I expext someone will post ETV IBAN for donations here, ad DB did for Red Lips in late 2008.

sorry if I replace nice stories with simple facts: It was Georgi, not DB, who posted the IBAN.
If you would at least get the facts right for once instead of having some fantasies ...

for the rest of the post: see reply to Vappiano

vappiano68 wrote:Sorry, there's no more possibility to be constructive, because it's not a matter of ideas, it's a matter of will.

As expected.
But thanks for confirming that the primary target is to be as destructive as possible. Exactly what pissed me off in some place.

HvB wrote:

vappiano68 wrote:

HvB wrote:q.e.d.

Quality Evaluation for Dismantlement ?

Well, what about being creative and constructive for once?
Write a script for a show you'd like to see. If we manage to convince them to do the show, Bellerophons statistics will show us if it is a reasonable strategy (and you have it in hand to make it successful ).

Unfortunately I've lost every kind of will in doing it.
If you remeber I did in the past, receiving only virtual kicks in the ass.
At that time I liked to think that this forum could be seen as a sort of "propositive feedback" for ETV.
Now, after 3-4 years since then, I've noticed that this forum has been studied as "destructive feedback".
All that we liked (it can be seen in the videos threads) has been banned from the shows.

Sorry, there's no more possibility to be constructive, because it's not a matter of ideas, it's a matter of will.

vappiano68 wrote:

HvB wrote:

vappiano68 wrote:Guess you know also who is the author of this exceptional strategy .

I didn't ask, so I would need to assume. Something I won't do (others are much better in inventing stories and believing in them ...).
But I guess we all know what would make them change the strategy ...
So it's up to you this time, but I doubt anything constructive to show up.

Ok, thanks a lot.

Maybe I'm stupid, but to be honest I don't know what viewers can do.
1) If girls receive calls with these 2012 unwatchable shows, then the blame has to be put on the viewers.
And the shows would have no reasons to be changed.
2) If girls don't receive calls for these shows, then the blame has to be put on the viewers, because they don't spend enough money.

In few words: the guilty is always the viewer.
Etv is only a victim. All the world is against ETV.
Not to mention the censors, who fight day and night only against ETV.

Honestly I think that this story has lasted too much...

Well, some months ago someone accused me (as italian forum moderator, 1.000.000 visits today ) of poor gold memberships purchases from italian people due to "Cialtrons" campaign.
I won't tell you who accused me because I have some mercy.
So it's italian forum guilty too.

If I have convinced even one person to do not subscribe a membership, I have that medal picked on my chest. Proudly.
I expext someone will post ETV IBAN for donations here, ad DB did for Red Lips in late 2008.


I anyway expected exit from Sky Italy for end of 2012, so I am not surprised about that. They will loose even that few italian callers, as it happened in 2010.
I will survive.

vappiano68 wrote:

HvB wrote:q.e.d.

Quality Evaluation for Dismantlement ?

Well, what about being creative and constructive for once?
Write a script for a show you'd like to see. If we manage to convince them to do the show, Bellerophons statistics will show us if it is a reasonable strategy (and you have it in hand to make it successful ).

One more thing i remebered.
Do you remeber the information as show on camera intended for one client for strictly personal show.
I introduced it, i wonder what il will lead ?

HvB wrote:q.e.d.

Quality Evaluation for Dismantlement ?

vappiano68 wrote:

HvB wrote:but I doubt anything constructive to show up.

Ok, thanks a lot.

Maybe I'm stupid, but to be honest I don't know what viewers can do.
1) If girls receive calls with these 2012 unwatchable shows, then the blame has to be put on the viewers.
And the shows would have no reasons to be changed.
2) If girls don't receive calls for these shows, then the blame has to be put on the viewers, because they don't spend enough money.

In few words: the guilty is always the viewer.
Etv is only a victim. All the world is against ETV.
Not to mention the censors, who fight day and night only against ETV.

Honestly I think that this story has lasted too much...

q.e.d.