Formula 1 General Chat & Discussion

Well what the Lord! Another race behind! Lag reduced! Позравляю Lewis Hamilton! I would like to note the double success of Lotus! Plan B did not work for the Button! Michael Schumacher - fatal bad luck!!!!!

Fernando Alonso 29th July 1981
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The intrigue again! Alonso 6! The second place Romain Grosjean will only hinder the pursuers ! Therefore the Lewis good chances! Although I may be wrong as always!!!

Here is the result of the qualifying of he Hungary GP :

1. Lewis Hamilton : McLaren : 1:20.953 -
2. Romain Grosjean : Lotus : 1:21.366 + 0.413
3. Sebastian Vettel : Red Bull Racing : 1:21.416 + 0.463
4. Jenson Button : McLaren : 1:21.583 + 0.630
5. Kimi Räikkönen : Lotus : 1:21.730 + 0.777
6. Fernando Alonso : Ferrari : 1:21.844 + 0.891
7. Felipe Massa : Ferrari : 1:21.900 + 0.947
8. Pastor Maldonado : Williams : 1:21.939 + 0.986
9. Bruno Senna : Williams : 1:22.343 + 1.390
10. Nico Hulkenberg : Force India : 1:22.847 + 1.894

Q2
11. Mark Webber : Red Bull Racing : 1:21.715 + 0.762
12. Paul di Resta : Force India : 1:21.813 + 0.860
13. Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP : 1:21.895 + 0.942
14. Sergio Perez : Sauber : 1:21.895 + 0.942
15. Kamui Kobayashi : Sauber : 1:22.300 + 1.347
16. Jean-Eric Vergne : Toro Rosso : 1:22.380 + 1.427
17. Michael Schumacher : Mercedes GP : 1:22.723 + 1.770

Q1
18. Daniel Ricciardo : Toro Rosso : 1:23.250 -
19. Heikki Kovalainen : Caterham 1:23.576 + 2.623
20. Vitaly Petrov : Caterham : 1:2 :4.167 + 3.214
21. Charles Pic : Marussia F1 Team : 1:25.244 + 4.291
22. Timo Glock : Marussia F1 Team : 1:25.476 + 4.523
23. Pedro de la Rosa : HRT F1 Team : 1:25.916 + 4.963
24. Narain Karthikeyan : HRT F1 Team : 1:26.178 + 5.225

Qaul : 1:20.953
Pole : Lewis Hamilton
Rain : no

Kind Regards
Shaky-Schumi

Here are the results of the 3rd practice session that is just bin driven :

1. Mark Webber : Red Bull Racing : 1:21.550 -
2. Lewis Hamilton : McLaren : 1:21.643 + 0.093
3. Sebastian Vettel : Red Bull Racing : 1:21.671 + 0.121
4. Bruno Senna : Williams : 1:21.876 + 0.326
5. Fernando Alonso : Ferrari : 1:21.884 + 0.334
6. Kimi Räikkönen : Lotus : 1:21.953 + 0.403
7. Romain Grosjean : Lotus : 1:22.110 + 0.560
8. Felipe Massa : Ferrari : 1:22.136 + 0.586
9. Paul di Resta : Force India : 1:22.191 + 0.641
10. Jenson Button : McLaren : 1:22.233 + 0.683
11. Pastor Maldonado : Williams : 1:22.381 + 0.831
12. Kamui Kobayashi : Sauber : 1:22.387 + 0.837
13. Jean-Eric Vergne : Toro Rosso : 1:22.492 + 0.942
14. Nico Hulkenberg : Force India : 1:22.530 + 0.980
15. Sergio Perez : Sauber : 1:22.597 + 1.047
16. Daniel Ricciardo : Toro Rosso : 1:22.716 + 1.166
17. Michael Schumacher : Mercedes GP : 1:22.868 + 1.318
18. Nico Rosberg : Mercedes GP : 1:22.931 + 1.381
19. Heikki Kovalainen : Caterham : 1:24.036 + 2.486
20. Vitaly Petrov : Caterham : 1:24.547 + 2.997
21. Charles Pic : Marussia F1 Team : 1:25.224 + 3.674
22. Timo Glock : Marussia F1 Team : 1:25.497 + 3.947
23. Pedro de la Rosa : HRT F1 Team : 1:26.785 + 5.235
24. Narain Karthikeyan : HRT F1 Team : 1:26.898 + 5.348

Comment of the 3rd session :

Mark Webber ended Lewis Hamilton's run of fastest times in Hungarian Grand Prix practice as he beat the McLaren driver by 0.093 seconds on Saturday morning at the Hungaroring.
Hamilton denied Red Bull a one-two by squeezing in between Webber and his third-placed team-mate Sebastian Vettel. The first half of the session, when the field was still working with medium tyres, saw the Red Bulls leading the way for a spell early on, before Raikkonen went in front for Lotus and then Hamilton got in a 1m21.706s to put himself over half a second clear of the field just before the midway point. Hamilton squeezed that lap in just before the soft tyre times started to flow, with Vettel lapping in 1m21.671s to go quickest. He stayed there until team-mate Webber edged ahead by 0.121s five minutes later.
Unusually for a Saturday morning, that time stood until the end, with the only major late change being Hamilton's appearance in second place.
Bruno Senna suggested his promising Friday afternoon performance was no fluke by taking a very strong fourth for Williams.
Ferrari took its time joining the fray, then sealed fifth and eighth with Fernando Alonso and Felipe Massa. The pair sandwiched the two Lotus drivers, Raikkonen and Romain Grosjean taking sixth and seventh . Paul di Resta was ninth for Force India, with Jenson Button rounding out the top 10 in the second McLaren. Mercedes seemed to be working more on heavy fuel runs. Michael Schumacher and Nico Rosberg did not feature in the top half of the times and ended up 17th and 18th.


At 14.00 CET will be the qualifying !!!

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Shaky-Schumi

And the results of the 2nd practice session :

1. Lewis Hamilton : McLaren : 1:21.995 -
2. Kimi Räikkönen : Lotus : 1:22.180 + 0.185
3. Bruno Senna : Williams : 1:22.253 + 0.258
4. Felipe Massa : Ferrari : 1:22.417 + 0.422
5. Fernando Alonso : Ferrari : 1:22.582 + 0.587
6. Jenson Button : McLaren : 1:22.747 + 0.752
7. Paul di Resta : Force India : 1:22.794 + 0.799
8. Sebastian Vettel : Red Bull Racing : 1:22.824 + 0.829
9. Romain Grosjean : Lotus : 1:22.922 + 0.927
10. Michael Schumacher : Mercedes GP : 1:23.160 + 1.165
11. Nico Rosberg : Mercedes GP : 1:23.164 + 1.169
12. Pastor Maldonado : Williams : 1:23.337 + 1.342
13. Nico Hulkenberg : Force India : 1:23.713 + 1.718
14. Mark Webber : Red Bull Racing : 1:23.814 + 1.819
15. Kamui Kobayashi : Sauber : 1:23.841 + 1.846
16. Jean-Eric Vergne : Toro Rosso : 1:24.328 + 2.333
17. Daniel Ricciardo : Toro Rosso : 1:24.345 + 2.350
18. Sergio Perez : Sauber : 1:24.623 + 2.628
19. Vitaly Petrov : Caterham : 1:24.823 + 2.828
20. Heikki Kovalainen : Caterham : 1:25.220 + 3.225
21. Timo Glock : Marussia F1 Team : 1:27.104 + 5.109
22. Pedro de la Rosa : HRT F1 Team : 1:27.106 + 5.111
23. Charles Pic : Marussia F1 Team : 1:27.185 + 5.190
24. Narain Karthikeyan : HRT F1 Team : 1:27.822 + 5.827

Comment of the 2nd session :
Lewis Hamilton repeated his morning performance to set the fastest time again in second practice for the Hungarian Grand Prix, in a session disrupted by a heavy rain shower.
The dry running was compressed into the first half of the afternoon, as although the rain was relatively brief and the temperatures remained hot, the track received too heavy a soaking for slicks to be viable thereafter. Conditions had been hot and sunny at the start of the session, but with rain looming on the radar, teams hurried to get on track, leading to a busy start. Kimi Raikkonen was fastest for a spell in his Lotus, before the Ferraris moved ahead - Felipe Massa slightly quicker than Fernando Alonso. The rain-conscious frontrunners then switched to the soft tyres shortly after the half-hour mark, leading to a busy period in which Jenson Button (McLaren), Alonso and then Raikkonen swapped the top spot between them. Hamilton had to abandon one quick lap when he came across Charles Pic's Marussia in the final sector, but just before the rain began, he was able to show his speed with a 1m21.995s. That put him 0.185 seconds clear of Raikkonen, while Bruno Senna thrust his Williams into third place, ahead of the Ferraris and Button.
Behind seventh and eighth-placed Paul di Resta (Force India) and Sebastian Vettel (Red Bull), the top 10 was completed by two drivers who met the barriers during the afternoon. Romain Grosjean had an early incident when he ran wide on the exit of the chicane and spun back across the track, taking the front wing off his Lotus on the inside barrier. He was able to get back to the pits and quickly rejoin under repairs. Michael Schumacher was less fortunate. For the second Friday in succession, he crashed in the wet, locking up on intermediate tyres and sliding straight on into the tyres at the Turn 11 right-hander at the end of the penultimate straight.
The Mercedes driver's incident was a warning to the other drivers who were getting some wet mileage, but it did not deter many of the field from coming out on intermediates in the final half-hour, as much of the circuit dried completely while other sections remained sodden..


Kind Regards
Shaky-Schumi

Here are the results of the 1st practice session of today :

1. Lewis Hamilton : McLaren : 1:22.821 -
2. Jenson Button : McLaren : 1:22.922 + 0.101
3. Fernando Alonso : Ferrari : 1:23.397 + 0.576
4. Nico Rosberg : Mercedes GP : 1:23.628 + 0.807
5. Romain Grosjean : Lotus : 1:23.633 + 0.812
6. Michael Schumacher : Mercedes GP : 1:23.845 + 1.024
7. Felipe Massa : Ferrari : 1:23.904 + 1.083
8. Kimi Räikkönen : Lotus : 1:23.983 + 1.162
9. Valtteri Bottas : Williams : 1:24.152 + 1.331
10. Sergio Perez : Sauber : 1:24.268 + 1.447
11. Pastor Maldonado : Williams : 1:24.300 + 1.479
12. Kamui Kobayashi : Sauber : 1:24.394 + 1.573
13. Mark Webber : Red Bull Racing : 1:24.546 + 1.725
14. Paul di Resta : Force India : 1:24.559 + 1.738
15. Sebastian Vettel : Red Bull Racing : 1:24.608 + 1.787
16. Daniel Ricciardo : Toro Rosso : 1:25.354 + 2.533
17. Jean-Eric Vergne : Toro Rosso : 1:25.559 + 2.738
18. Jules Bianchi : Force India : 1:25.715 + 2.894
19. Vitaly Petrov : Caterham : 1:26.440 + 3.619
20. Charles Pic : Marussia F1 Team : 1:26.705 + 3.884
21. Heikki Kovalainen : Caterham : 1:26.755 + 3.934
22. Timo Glock : Marussia F1 Team : 1:27.015 + 4.194
23. Pedro de la Rosa : HRT F1 Team : 1:27.101 + 4.280
24. Dani Clos : HRT F1 Team : 1:28.176 + 5.355

Comment of the 1st session :
Lewis Hamilton led Jenson Button in a McLaren one-two as the team dominated an uneventful opening practice session for the Hungarian Grand Prix at the Hungaroring.
Hamilton moved to the head of the order after 34 minutes, and was never deposed. He gradually improved his time and by the halfway point was down to a 1m22.821s, which stood as the best of the session.Button had a few seconds in first place before Hamilton supplanted him, and then kept in touch with his team-mate to finish the morning 0.101 seconds behind.
The McLarens were just over half a second clear of the field. Fernando Alonso put his Ferrari up to third late on, shuffling the Mercedes of Nico Rosberg and Michael Schumacher down to fourth and fifth, ahead of the second Ferrari of Felipe Massa.
Kimi Raikkonen continued to evaluate Lotus's 'double DRS' in seventh place, followed by team-mate Romain Grosjean.
Williams reserve driver Valtteri Bottas showed well in ninth place, while the Sauber of Sergio Perez completed the top 10. Other 'Friday drivers' in action were Force India's Jules Bianchi - who took Nico Hulkenberg's car to 18th - and HRT's Dani Clos, in for Narain Karthikeyan and 1.1s off team-mate Pedro de la Rosa in last place.
Red Bull kept a low profile, Mark Webber and Sebastian Vettel only 13th and 15th.
The Hungaroring's ample asphalt run-off areas saw visits from several cars, but the closest the session came to drama was when Pastor Maldonado's Williams took a messy detour through the Turn 10 gravel trap after being caught out trying to pass Heikki Kovalainen's slower-moving Caterham.


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Shaky-Schumi

it is with this route h started watching F1 in 1986!!!!

Ricardo Rosset 27th July 1968
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Happy Birthday to your 44th anniversary

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Let's see in hungary if Joan Todt´s FIA-experts will find a new complaint in Sebastian and Red Bull !

Or is the protrusion enough !?

Only a week after Hockenheim, the F1 Circus makes a stop near Budapest at the Hungaroring. This year marks the twenty-seventh edition and the circuit has remained almost unchanged since debuting in the calendar(1986). It is as a street circuit but without houses and sidewalks. Some liken it to a karting track with only one narrow and twisty racing line. So the Hungaroring has one of the slowest average speed of the season. The track is seldom used by other series during the year and at the beginning of the week end the surface is slippery and dusty with a low grip level. Here it is very important a good traction and a high downforce set-up (similar to Monaco and Singapore). The track layout is made up of a series of slow and medium speed curves linked by short straights. Obviously overtaking is difficult and usually (in dry condition) qualifying and strategy are very important. The best overtaking opportunity is at the turn 1. Hungaroring is one of the most demanding track for brakes and cooling systems. As at Hockenheim, the Pirelli tyres will be Soft (option, yellow) and Medium(prime, white). DRS: only one zone, along the main straight. Here Alonso won the first F1 Grand Prix of his career(2003). In 1989 Mansell's win, from 12th place on the grid. In 2006 there was the first wet Grand Prix at the Hungaroring. After a race full of surprises, Button won his first GP.

Podium 2011: Button – Vettel – Alonso. fastest lap on race: Massa – pole position : Vettel 1'19''815
Podium 2010: Webber – Alonso – Vettel. fastest lap on race: Vettel – pole position : Vettel 1'18''773
Hungaroring GP: victories for current pilots: Schumacher(4) Hamilton and Button (2), Alonso, Raikkonen Kovalainen and Webber (1).
Quite strange: Vettel: zero wins, but second place last year. Second place also for Pedro de La Rosa(2006) and Timo Glock(2008)
pole position for current pilots: Schumacher(7) Hamilton Vettel and Alonso (2), Raikkonen, (1)
fastest lap for current pilots: Schumacher(4), Raikkonen(3) Massa(2), Webber and Vettel, (1)

2012 wins: Alonso(3)Webber (2), Button, Rosberg, Vettel, Maldonado and Hamilton(1)
2012 second place: Alonso, Button and Raikkonen(2), Rosberg, Vettel, Perez and Grosjean(1)
2012 third place: Hamilton(3) Raikkonen(2),Alonso, Vettel, Schumacher, Perez and Grosjean(1)
2012 pole: Vettel(3) Alonso and Hamilton(2), Rosberg, Maldonado, and Webber(1)
2012 fastest lap: Raikkonen and Vettel(2), Button, Kobayashi, Grosjean, Perez, Rosberg and Schumacher(1)

GenaroXP wrote:Nelson Piquet Jr. 25th July 1985

Happy Birthday to your 27th anniversary

i don't forget this guy

Newsflash :

Red Bull Racing forced to alter engine mapping from Hungarian Grand Prix :
Red Bull Racing will be forced to alter the engine mapping of its Renault power units from this weekend's Hungarian Grand Prix after the FIA moved to close a loophole in the regulations, as predicted by AUTOSPORT Magazine yesterday. Although Red Bull's cars were deemed legal by the race stewards in Germany last weekend, they are believed to have been operating with engine maps that had reduced torque in the mid RPM range.
The intention of the regulation prior to its clarification was to ensure that there was a linear relationship between the throttle position and the torque demand on the engine.
As expected, the FIA has thus issued a clarification of Article 5.5.3 within F1's technical regulations to the teams ahead of this weekend's race.
And although no official statement has been made public, AUTOSPORT Magazine understands the new version of the regulation insists teams will be limited in the amount of adjustments it can make to the engine torque map race- by-race.
According to the clarification, teams will be required to nominate one engine map - as a reference - that they used during the first four events of this season, which must then be approved by the governing body.
Once passed by the FIA, the engine torque curves above 6,000rpm must not vary by more than plus or minus two per cent from that reference map.
Teams will be allowed to make specific requests for changes when races take place in 'exceptional atmospheric conditions' however.
McLaren's managing director Jonathan Neale said on Wednesday that he could not quantify the impact the clarification would have on Red Bull's performance.
"The honest answer is I really don't know," Neale said. "None of us really know what it is that antagonised the FIA so much to provoke Jo Bauer into issuing the note he did on Sunday morning. It was quite an unusual step - I don't think the FIA would have referred to the stewards unless they had very serious concerns.
"It's really not for us to know or tell exactly what the Renault engine is doing in the Red Bull, and therefore how much advantage they get from it because it is an integrated performance package. But I know we are not the only ones on the grid who are looking at it very carefully."

Kind Regards
Shaky-Schumi

Nelson Piquet Jr. 25th July 1985
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Happy Birthday to your 27th anniversary

Charlie Whiting: outside The slopes of the pilot should not have the benefits!

Despite the strong statements by the representatives of Red Bull that overtaking Дженсона the Button was conducted without the Express violations of rules on the part of Sebastian Vettel, edition Autosport assures that all is not so. And although later Helmut Marko said that the Austrian stable apply double standards, in the report of the British journalists is given a quotation from the letter of the race Director of the FIA's Charlie Уайтинга, which even before the Grand Prix of great Britain specify all the commands rules of conduct pilots when overtaking and protection of their positions on the track.

«Every pilot, having left the limits of the track (i.e. when no part of his car is not in contact with the track) may come back, so that when he has an advantage. Despite the fact that pilots are forbidden to receive the advantage in such situations, in disputable situations, when there is no obvious fact gain advantage at the expense of exit from the highway, the consideration of the incident are stewards stage, which make the final decision», - stated in the letter.

It is worth noting that the claims of the Red Bull related to the fact, that for a similar overtaking Lewis Хэмильтона in Bahrain, when he was outside the slopes walked Nico Росберга, none of the pilots has not received as a result of the fine.
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