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25.07.2012, 20:17

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Newsflash :

Red Bull Racing forced to alter engine mapping from Hungarian Grand Prix :
Red Bull Racing will be forced to alter the engine mapping of its Renault power units from this weekend's Hungarian Grand Prix after the FIA moved to close a loophole in the regulations, as predicted by AUTOSPORT Magazine yesterday. Although Red Bull's cars were deemed legal by the race stewards in Germany last weekend, they are believed to have been operating with engine maps that had reduced torque in the mid RPM range.
The intention of the regulation prior to its clarification was to ensure that there was a linear relationship between the throttle position and the torque demand on the engine.
As expected, the FIA has thus issued a clarification of Article 5.5.3 within F1's technical regulations to the teams ahead of this weekend's race.
And although no official statement has been made public, AUTOSPORT Magazine understands the new version of the regulation insists teams will be limited in the amount of adjustments it can make to the engine torque map race- by-race.
According to the clarification, teams will be required to nominate one engine map - as a reference - that they used during the first four events of this season, which must then be approved by the governing body.
Once passed by the FIA, the engine torque curves above 6,000rpm must not vary by more than plus or minus two per cent from that reference map.
Teams will be allowed to make specific requests for changes when races take place in 'exceptional atmospheric conditions' however.
McLaren's managing director Jonathan Neale said on Wednesday that he could not quantify the impact the clarification would have on Red Bull's performance.
"The honest answer is I really don't know," Neale said. "None of us really know what it is that antagonised the FIA so much to provoke Jo Bauer into issuing the note he did on Sunday morning. It was quite an unusual step - I don't think the FIA would have referred to the stewards unless they had very serious concerns.
"It's really not for us to know or tell exactly what the Renault engine is doing in the Red Bull, and therefore how much advantage they get from it because it is an integrated performance package. But I know we are not the only ones on the grid who are looking at it very carefully."

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Shaky-Schumi

25.07.2012, 00:00

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24.07.2012, 20:18

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Charlie Whiting: outside The slopes of the pilot should not have the benefits!

Despite the strong statements by the representatives of Red Bull that overtaking Дженсона the Button was conducted without the Express violations of rules on the part of Sebastian Vettel, edition Autosport assures that all is not so. And although later Helmut Marko said that the Austrian stable apply double standards, in the report of the British journalists is given a quotation from the letter of the race Director of the FIA's Charlie Уайтинга, which even before the Grand Prix of great Britain specify all the commands rules of conduct pilots when overtaking and protection of their positions on the track.

«Every pilot, having left the limits of the track (i.e. when no part of his car is not in contact with the track) may come back, so that when he has an advantage. Despite the fact that pilots are forbidden to receive the advantage in such situations, in disputable situations, when there is no obvious fact gain advantage at the expense of exit from the highway, the consideration of the incident are stewards stage, which make the final decision», - stated in the letter.

It is worth noting that the claims of the Red Bull related to the fact, that for a similar overtaking Lewis Хэмильтона in Bahrain, when he was outside the slopes walked Nico Росберга, none of the pilots has not received as a result of the fine.
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24.07.2012, 19:51

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FIA set to force Red Bull to change engine mapping :
Red Bull Racing is set to be forced to make changes to the engine mapping of its cars for this weekend's Hungarian Grand Prix . The FIA poised to issue a clarification in the next 48 hours on the matter. Following the controversy at Hockenheim on Sunday, when Red Bull Racing was referred to the stewards to explain why its cars were operating with engine maps that had reduced torque in the mid rpm range, motor racing's governing body is now close to acting.
AUTOSPORT Magazine understands that the FIA is planning to issue an official clarification on the matter before action gets underway in Budapest on Friday.
This document is almost certain to make it clear that what Red Bull Racing was doing in Germany will no longer be deemed acceptable.
Sources suggest that the FIA will lay down specific limits on the variations of torque that can be used throughout the rev range - with Red Bull Racing believed to have been using much less than the maximum available torque in the middle rev range.

It is understood that the new limit could allow as little tolerance in torque as two per cent, which is believed to be well inside the variation shown on the engine map used by Red Bull Racing at the German GP. By having a greater variation in its engine mapping, Red Bull Racing was able to both minimise wheelspin and also pump more gases through its engines, therefore helping the aerodynamic benefits that the outfit still gets through the use of exhaust flow at the rear of the car. Although Formula 1 technical delegate Jo Bauer believed that Red Bull Racing's engine maps were in breach of the regulations in Germany, the race stewards did not agree - even though they also did not accept the team's explanations of what was happening.
Red Bull Racing team principal Christian Horner was keen to play down the matter at Hockenheim, suggesting that he never had any doubt his team was in compliance with the regulations.
"Unfortunately, when you have a quick car, it's inevitable that questions are asked," he said. "F1 is a competitive business.
"The rules are pretty black and white and having looked at the evidence, the data, they [the stewards] were fully satisfied. That's the nature of Formula 1 at the end of the day. Of course, you are always going to get other teams that are going to speculate."
Even if the FIA rule clarification does mean Red Bull Racing has to make changes to its engine maps, it should be a fairly simply matter for the team to revert to settings that it used without problem earlier in the campaign.

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Shaky-Schumi

24.07.2012, 00:00

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23.07.2012, 14:30

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I heard from Bernie Ecclestone problem! May his departure improve the F1? Returning her sports spirit!

23.07.2012, 13:38

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22.07.2012, 19:11

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FORMULA 1 ENI MAGYAR NAGYDÍJ 2012
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Fri 27 July 2012
Practice 1 10:00 - 11:30
Practice 2 14:00 - 15:30
Sat 28 July 2012
Practice 3 11:00 - 12:00
Qualifying 14:00
Sun 29 July 2012
Race 14:00

22.07.2012, 18:26

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Standings at the Championship with the rivesed results !!!!
Driver Standings :
01 Fernando Alonso : Ferrari : 154
02 Mark Webber : Red Bull : 120
03 Sebastian Vettel : Red Bull : 110
04 Kimi Raikkonen : Lotus : 98
05 Lewis Hamilton : McLaren : 92
06 Nico Rosberg : Mercedes : 76
07 Jenson Button : McLaren : 68
08 Romain Grosjean : Lotus : 61
09 Sergio Perez : Sauber : 47
10 Kamui Kobayashi : Sauber : 33
11 Pastor Maldonado : Williams : 29
12 Michael Schumacher : Mercedes : 29
13 Paul di Resta : Force India : 27
14 Felipe Massa : Ferrari : 23
15 Nico Hulkenberg Force India : 19
16 Bruno Senna : Williams : 18
17 Jean-Eric Vergne : Toro Rosso : 4
18 Daniel Ricciardo : Toro Rosso : 2

Constructor Standings :
01 Red Bull : 230
02 Ferrari : 177
03 McLaren : 160
03 Lotus : 159
05 Mercedes : 105
06 Sauber : 80
07 Williams : 47
08 Force India : 46
09 Toro Rosso : 6


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Shaky-Schumi

22.07.2012, 18:20

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Newsflash !!!! :

Vettel penalised for Button pass, drops from second to fifth in the German Grand Prix :
Sebastian Vettel has been handed a penalty for his overtaking move on Jenson Button in the German Grand Prix. The Red Bull driver passed his McLaren rival for second with less than two laps to go by running off track at the exit of the hairpin.
Vettel's move was illegal, according to the stewards, who imposed a post-race drive-through penalty on the German, meaning 20 seconds have been added to his finishing time.
"Car 1 left the track and gained an advantage when he rejoined. Breach of article 20.2 of the FIA Formula 1 sporting regulations," said the stewards.
"Drive-through penalty, imposed after the race in accordance with article 16.3 (20 seconds added to the elapsed race time."
The German drops from second to fifth, promoting Lotus driver Kimi Raikkonen to third

1. Alonso Ferrari
2. Button McLaren-Mercedes
3. Raikkonen Lotus-Renault
4. Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari
5. Vettel Red Bull-Renault
6. Perez Sauber-Ferrari
7. Schumacher Mercedes
8. Webber Red Bull-Renault
9. Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes
10. Rosberg Mercedes

Warning this new result does not count for our game ,because like i sayd some races ago ...the result just after the race ( or qualifying ) counts !!!! So our top 3 remains : 1 Alonso , 2 Vettel , 3 Button !!!

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Shaky-Schumi

22.07.2012, 18:07

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Vettel now 5th place due to 20sec. time penalty. Cry

22.07.2012, 16:51

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Here is the result of the German GP :

1. Fernando Alonso : Ferrari : 1:31:05.862
2. Sebastian Vettel : Red Bull Racing : + 3.732
3. Jenson Button : McLaren : + 6.949
4. Kimi Räikkönen : Lotus : + 16.409
5. Kamui Kobayashi : Sauber : + 21.925
6. Sergio Perez : Sauber : + 27.896
7. Michael Schumacher : Mercedes GP : + 28.960
8. Mark Webber : Red Bull Racing : + 46.900
9. Nico Hulkenberg : Force India : + 48.100
10. Nico Rosberg : Mercedes GP : + 48.800
11. Paul di Resta : Force India : + 59.200
12. Felipe Massa :Ferrari : + 1:11.400
13. Daniel Ricciardo : Toro Rosso : + 1:16.800
14. Jean-Eric Vergne : Toro Rosso : + 1:16.900
15. Pastor Maldonado : Williams : + 1 lap
16. Vitaly Petrov : Caterham : + 1 lap
17. Bruno Senna : Williams : + 1 lap
18. Romain Grosjean : Lotus : + 1 lap
19. Heikki Kovalainen : Caterham : + 2 laps
20. Charles Pic : Marussia F1 Team : + 2 laps
21. Pedro de la Rosa : HRT F1 Team : + 3 laps
22. Timo Glock : Marussia F1 Team : + 3 laps
23. Narain Karthikeyan : HRT F1 Team : + 3 laps
Did Not Finish :
24. Lewis Hamilton : McLaren : not yet known

Fastest lap : Michael Schumacher : 1:18.725
Pitstop Paul di Resta : 2
D.S.L : 14

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Shaky-Schumi

22.07.2012, 15:59

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An exciting race! Like I wrote off early Buttun! Although Alonso has strengthened its position!
In any other sport is no such a situation! 30% is solved in the offices! 10% on all sorts of chance! And only 60% depends on the skill of the racer!

22.07.2012, 15:53

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Alonso really the best Thumb upThumb up... had great intelligence and ability to be content vettel first and then button ..... button good race, very well Raikkonen in the first part Smile .... I would say not enough Vettel, Thumb down too nervous when he needed clarity....2nd but not so good,in the pending outcome of the mcLaren complaint ...in my opinion I saw one of the best gp of the year as a strength ... Especially in the first 20 laps it was many spectacular,too....Budapest is for redbull,but after these latest gp probably mclaren are more dangerous for ferrari team....but ferrari has Alonso....Alonso is the difference,actually..Thumb upThumb upThumb up

22.07.2012, 15:44

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