* moved * Zita explains a little about the nudity rules

In respect of these new rules, I know as much as the next person here.

But what I do know is what I saw on Saturday evening. The studio switched to the retro set at IIRC 16:00. For approx 2 hours the show was no different to what had happened before the switch. Malena was there and she had bared her breasts after the switch.

At some point during that show, something happened to make the channel change their entire policy to how they would present their shows prior to 23:00.

Now, I just 2 and 2 together and made, as usual, 5. Firstly, a lot of erotic channels have gone out of business in the past few weeks. All of these transmitted on Hotbird - part of Eutelsat. You can read in general discussion about the warning given to Xtream, another channel broadcasting on Hotbird. That warning came from the CSA. So my assumption, and I am not alone in making that assumption, that it is the CSA, in their role as the supreme regulatory body for Eutelsat, that are issuing these directives.

Now if I am wrong, the channel have only got to do one thing. They do not have to go into any detail but simply state either publically on here or by email to me - [hidden link - please register] - that this is not the work of the CSA. So that is my request to them. Silence can be interpreted in two ways. Neither wil do them any credit.

Hi mustafa3
This is what they are already, 6 or 7 model on show, there are more than 4 or 5.
I also think that if you put a very pretty girl soft reported more than a naked girl because of a soft salary is lower than that of a hot Etv otherwise why have they all barbies. this is my opinion.

Hi bill80.

what would be the normal way if they have finacial problems ? Replace hot models for soft models ??? for sure not !

If they have finacial problems that would mean that they have too less calls. And the normal reaction would be to algin the number of models to the calls. If they have 7 models in a show but just calls for 3 models on the same time , then they would reduce the number of models to maybe 4 Models. That will reduce theirs costs. So it is not logical to replace soft and hot models in the same number. It's also illogical that some models must work 10 hours and more if there would be too less calls for this number of models.

@ DB

Just a question to understand you better and to be up to date. I always read from you about new ruls from CSA, warnings for the channels and so on. Just now I did download the statemend from Zita. There was not any word that this new rules came from outside from ETV. She only said that they have new rules. Why you think that the new rules from ETV have anything to do with CSA ?

And if it has anything to do with CSA or an other organisation , then they got post from them.  You always refers to that CSA website and quote it.  But who told  you, if ETV got post from anyone, that in this letter was the same words as on this website ?

Hi DB,

You'r right, but as I've ever said in General discussion on this forum, it' s not a censure but recommendations.

It' s not a new law ! The french law:

http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTexte.do?cidTexte=JORFTEXT000000446802&dateTexte=

Read Article 2. The french law imposes only one pictogram in bottom of the screen (-12, -16, -18).

So please my friends, don't write about new rules, It' ETV new rules, not more.

Why? I don't know.

Name:ETV - Country:Ethiopia - Language:Amharic - Encrypion:Clear . Did the wires get crossed somewher down the line ?

Sounds funny, ain´t it?

Best Regards,

al-qatari (the three musketeers - the arabic-german musketeer)

Who is at the root of this rule ?????
The models, ETV or authority
I think that's the question that all the world arose.
They have financial problems and they can no longer pay a lot of hot model so they replace them with soft and why the models do not remain (22 or 23 models since March I believe). It matters that remain unanswered.

Ultimately, I really do not care how the channel proceeds. If, because of the implemenation of these rules, it can still retain it's caller base then good luck to it.

But what I do believe in is natural justice. I had closer look at the CSA website today and there is a list of the channels transmitted by Eutelsat and thus under the regulation of the CSA. It does not list a single channel of the EU. The French channels, and ONLY the French channels, are listed in a seperate section. With that in mind it cannot impose the law of France on EU channels which will have their own regulatory regime.

I found this channel in the list :

Name:ETV  - Country:Ethiopia - Language:Amharic  - Encrypion:Clear . Did the wires get crossed somewher down the line ?

Now if the Austrian regulator has had a word with them it is a totally different matter. I lost count the number of times I have mentioned the lack of that legal warning at the start of the nightshow. And again with the non-stop it has gone again.

But. for the last time from me, if the directive has come from the CSA then think again and clarify the situation. You may have the caller base for a few days until even the most faithful get wise. But in any business there is often a fine line between profit and loss. It would be a crying shame if that loss came from a total misunderstanding.

The less the models show, dance etc. the more they can talk with the callers and increase their income. If you want to see models' performances you can download them for free.

So why should they waste their time with striptease, ice cube shows etc.?

@ I can agree with your words. But the real reason we never will know.

I think it will be the model decidion if that want show anything or not. But it's not needed to show anything. You know all channel and see much of them.

How many calls saxy sat get of requests to show anything ? Can they survive with this number of calls ?

How many calls and SMS  ETV gets of requests to show anything ? are this really so much ?

Non of the callers of redlips hat a request to see anything. All just called to talk

You think that this marked is still so big that a channel can survive ? I not !!!  Here are many users who write daily that they want see hot shows. How many of them really spend money to see anything ? You can count them with your fingers.

And again, if they don't find enough models who like to show their nude body you can't make a hot show. I am sure if ETV would broadcast from Prague it would be any problem to find them. But in ETV land with a different culture I don't know. Also, what I did hear and read from ex models was always that non of them liked that job, they just did it cause they had no other possibility to make money. That's a bad promtion for ETV. If nobody recommends that job you don't get new ones.

I still think that this kind of business is out of date. Nothing works forever. And the good old days will not come back soon. Everybody must go with the time and many things which worked some years ago will not work right now.

@Mustafa

As much as I would like to agree with you, you are wrong.

Whilst the number of models is lower, you only have to look at this week's schedule to appreciate that they have enough girls who were doing the 'biz' last week who would do it this week.

Many girls purposely chose not do night shows but reply on the same level of income that they generate.

I looked in at E2 at approx 10:40 this morning and no one had told Sunny about these 'rules' until it was almost too late. I'm sure that the rest of that morning also with Safo present went swimingly.

Or take Alexa and Malena, probably the channels biggest income providers, just sitting there waiting for 23:00 so they could actually earn some money.

And if you were even close, we would expect to see at least one but probably more new models this week.

Now if it really is their concept to tone it right down then they actually run the risk of losing those models as their income will fall. Then they will simply not have enough girls to run the shows.

The guys on the phone will still ask. The only difference I see that if they are told NO too many times then they will simply go away. And where are all those understanding callers to take their places ?

For once I do believe that these 'rules' are not of their own making except to say that the channel has over-reacted and not sought proper clarification. Rules do not suddengly change in the middle of a Saturday evening.

I almost agree with you mustafa3 because etv if my memory is correct a design was only to talk with girls, but this time it would not walk had to be put naked girls to attract viewers and customers . Now they have their faithful in several countries why they do what they were created. This new rule should be imposed by etv themselves why, if the other channel showed naked girls the time when so-called etv have no right

Is it so hard to understand and accept the new concept from ETV ? And it isn't brand new, cause that process runs since more than one year.

Many years the concept was like that : Find customors who just like to talk with a girl without seeing anything ( you know, the fall in love guys ). And find customers who spend money to see something.

That doubble concept was not working because the available Models runs away. They didn't like to hear always that they for some viewers just a piece of meet.  Understandable because everyone of us would no do that shit job. And the most of us saw what hard job that is.

So they changed the concept step by step to non erotic format. They could not tell their viewers the truth, so they did it with that " new " rules.

Guys, try to accept that ETV isn't anymore that kind of channel you want to see. That format was working for some years but now it is out of date. Think about it how many models are left who like to offer you that what you want to see. 5 ? 8 ? 10 ? I don't know. But what I know is that this number is much to small for a 24/7 format. they are searching for a new kind of customers and for you there is only space in the nighttime.

Yes I know you think they are all stupid at ETV, but if that would be the truth that channel would have died after some months. They offers that what is profitable and possible. That what you like to see is not profitable or possible ( cause they don't have the models for it ).

Hi Sucker,

Alpenglühen is not Crypted between 22.45 and 23.15. Great football clips tonight, not censored.

<<< Why don´t put all softies like Maryah, Gia or Cleopatra at the morning and afternoonshows and all "hotmodels" at the nightshow? Is is soo hard?  >>>

maybe these "hot models" go to university or have something else to do in their "real life" that is not compatible with working @ etv during the 23-4 o'clock night show. ;-)

why do you think the 17-23 o'clock shows are most famous around models? because they can work their shifts after university/work...

@markus76

is better to watch a football match boring ETV rather than the kindergarten