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Wilsonsand wrote:Well, i suggest new equipment for the models health security:

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BornExtreme wrote:

Dreamlander wrote:< snip >
Dreamlander

At the birthday, I saw many models who don't have any problems to kiss another girl.
The reality is that ETV don't want in their NS the kisses with tongue.
We should not put all the blame on the alcohol, because in 2006/2007 the kisses with tongue were the normality.

You don't offer any support to your 'reality' though ...
How many of the 2006/2007 models are still there?
We are in a different 'reality' now.

Dreamlander wrote:The kissing that happened during the 'Birthday' show was almost entirely the result of alcohol being present. The recent kissing spate by Lauren was as a result of spontaniety, of the mood being right between the models at that specific time and of the sexual orientation of Lauren herself and some blurred lines between that of any other girls.
You may or may not be surprised to learn how much of a boundary kissing is for most girls, especially 'with tongues'. Those I have spoken to would rather be fully naked than kiss a girl like this, given the choice. It's been mentioned below but, just imagine yourself kissing another man. You could say that it is a requirement of the job they are in but, it isn't, if you've spent any time watching or calling the girls, you will realise they are very normal, very smart, very down-to-earth girls, not porn stars, who just happen to be doing a job on the fringes of the adult entertainment industry. ETV is unique in what it does and because of that presents these girls sometimes in scenarios they are not totally comfortable with.
Where the problem lies for me is that they need to clarify this to customers, to those who may not have an appreciation or understanding of anything I've just mentioned and just see beautiful girls onscreen in an 'adult' environment and believe that almost anything is possible. Unfortunately, when you get a response like that given by Angelina yesterday to the kissing debacle, it infuriates rather than resolves. It was almost in broken English and didn't seem to answer anything that the viewer questioned. Someone with a real grasp of the English language and an affinity of what the girls and the customers desire would have this situation under control quite quickly. If Mashi were still at ETV, we would have a succinct and clear answer straight away. This was one of her many attributes, her compassion for the job and all aspects of it and her willingness to keep customers 'in the loop' as it were. Sadly, we do not have her though.
Unfortunately, we are left to consider if ETV are being deliberately obtuse to sustain the flow of SMS's by guys like 'antonio' or really just do not know how to convey the issues around an act as spontaneous and invasive as kissing clearly. There is also the issue of broadcast rules which are as clear as mud. The UK channels tend to follow guidelines that most of us can understand, if not agree with and we can also see when they are fined for breaking these. The rules that ETV have to follow and any subsequent fines are more of a dark art and can, I understand, be used to the advantage or disadvantage of the channel if they so wish. That is another matter though and one we will never be privvy to so I never see the point of wasting time discussing it. It depends how cynical you are, I suppose. I'm quite cynical but for once I believe it's not all about grabbing money by dangling an unreachable carrot this time and is mostly about the personal limits of the girls and any extentuating circumstances that arise during 'special' shows and, yes, the presence of alcohol.

Dreamlander

At the birthday, I saw many models who don't have any problems to kiss another girl.
The reality is that ETV don't want in their NS the kisses with tongue.
We should not put all the blame on the alcohol, because in 2006/2007 the kisses with tongue were the normality.

excuse me for my poor english...
someone can help me to understand?
the rules rexcrictive are also in internet exclusive?
exclusive is not tv...
i asked to etv team if is possible get a video recorded with kisses with tongue only for vip, with a password.
aria said is possible, christine no.
i dont understand. help me...

Well, i suggest new equipment for the models health security:

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The kissing that happened during the 'Birthday' show was almost entirely the result of alcohol being present. The recent kissing spate by Lauren was as a result of spontaniety, of the mood being right between the models at that specific time and of the sexual orientation of Lauren herself and some blurred lines between that of any other girls.
You may or may not be surprised to learn how much of a boundary kissing is for most girls, especially 'with tongues'. Those I have spoken to would rather be fully naked than kiss a girl like this, given the choice. It's been mentioned below but, just imagine yourself kissing another man. You could say that it is a requirement of the job they are in but, it isn't, if you've spent any time watching or calling the girls, you will realise they are very normal, very smart, very down-to-earth girls, not porn stars, who just happen to be doing a job on the fringes of the adult entertainment industry. ETV is unique in what it does and because of that presents these girls sometimes in scenarios they are not totally comfortable with.
Where the problem lies for me is that they need to clarify this to customers, to those who may not have an appreciation or understanding of anything I've just mentioned and just see beautiful girls onscreen in an 'adult' environment and believe that almost anything is possible. Unfortunately, when you get a response like that given by Angelina yesterday to the kissing debacle, it infuriates rather than resolves. It was almost in broken English and didn't seem to answer anything that the viewer questioned. Someone with a real grasp of the English language and an affinity of what the girls and the customers desire would have this situation under control quite quickly. If Mashi were still at ETV, we would have a succinct and clear answer straight away. This was one of her many attributes, her compassion for the job and all aspects of it and her willingness to keep customers 'in the loop' as it were. Sadly, we do not have her though.
Unfortunately, we are left to consider if ETV are being deliberately obtuse to sustain the flow of SMS's by guys like 'antonio' or really just do not know how to convey the issues around an act as spontaneous and invasive as kissing clearly. There is also the issue of broadcast rules which are as clear as mud. The UK channels tend to follow guidelines that most of us can understand, if not agree with and we can also see when they are fined for breaking these. The rules that ETV have to follow and any subsequent fines are more of a dark art and can, I understand, be used to the advantage or disadvantage of the channel if they so wish. That is another matter though and one we will never be privvy to so I never see the point of wasting time discussing it. It depends how cynical you are, I suppose. I'm quite cynical but for once I believe it's not all about grabbing money by dangling an unreachable carrot this time and is mostly about the personal limits of the girls and any extentuating circumstances that arise during 'special' shows and, yes, the presence of alcohol.

Dreamlander

Yea right. Do you guys wanna see a health certificate before you kiss a girl or what?
Btw, kissing strengthens the immune system, says Prof. Dr. eigentor !

Girls making out, mmmmh...I could watch that all night long and I dont see how that would cause problems
with their license. The only reason for not doing it would be that the girls themselves dont like it, which
I could perfectly understand. I wouldnt want to kiss a bloke either, brrr...

But if there are girls who like it or are at least ok with it, why not let them ?
Theres money in it, Etv...

pepe84 wrote:Think about it . . . even if girls like Lauren seem not have any problems with it . . .. maybe they should, in their own interest

none of the women will be compelled to kiss .who does not want like Roshanna it does not have to.
and at the party Thursday, some of the women had a lot of fun to kiss,and i think they did it voluntarily
and last,you can also infect you also when someone sneezes.

pepe84 wrote:as I said before, I am no fan of kissing scenes anyway, but I think it is quite difficult to fulfill such wishes . . .

What is when the persons dont like each other? Or when they have beef? Or one of them has a cold or some infection? Or some girls simply dont want to kiss another girl in general? Or persons in their private enviroment, like friends or family dont like it?

What should they do with such wishes? Only fulfill them when everything is right? Never fulfill them?

I think it is a total different thing when the girls kiss each other freely and spontaneous and by own choice. Also it is another thing to show something off or doing some strip or dance performance than to kiss another person on request. When it comes to exchange body fluids it should not be a subject anymore that is requestable by costuimers.

Think about it . . . even if girls like Lauren seem not have any problems with it . . .. maybe they should, in their own interest

Thank you ! You found the perfect words !

as I said before, I am no fan of kissing scenes anyway, but I think it is quite difficult to fulfill such wishes . . .

What is when the persons dont like each other? Or when they have beef? Or one of them has a cold or some infection? Or some girls simply dont want to kiss another girl in general? Or persons in their private enviroment, like friends or family dont like it?

What should they do with such wishes? Only fulfill them when everything is right? Never fulfill them?

I think it is a total different thing when the girls kiss each other freely and spontaneous and by own choice. Also it is another thing to show something off or doing some strip or dance performance than to kiss another person on request. When it comes to exchange body fluids it should not be a subject anymore that is requestable by customers.

Think about it . . . even if girls like Lauren seem not have any problems with it . . .. maybe they should, in their own interest

Yes, Antonio last trying: he asked for a kisss with tongue and there was no tongue. After that he sent this message:

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Angelina said that are "things that we usually don´t do":

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Ok. Thanks for trying Antonio. No way. You must wait until the next bohemian show or a premium with Lauren and Tia.

i don´t know if it was planned or not, but perfectly allowed over and over again not only in the party, but after that in the studio, where all is easily under control.

Anyway, i saw Antonio has tried again? I saw a message and after that Lauren and Angelina kissing soft.

Wilsonsand wrote:that was 5 years ago., and anyway then...why they allowed several hours full of kisses even with closer shots on thursday?

the law of KommAustria are still current.
Austria is very Catholic
I think what happened Thursday was probably not planned and perhaps may still have consequences

Amigo1205 wrote:

Wilsonsand wrote:the problem is other stupid people there, and some paranoid censorship phobias they have.

this fear has reasons :

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that was 5 years ago., and anyway then...why they allowed several hours full of kisses even with closer shots on thursday?

Wilsonsand wrote:the problem is other stupid people there, and some paranoid censorship phobias they have.

this fear has reasons :

A method of withdrawing approval for severe violations of the Private Television Law

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