"My way"...or... to change or not to change

I have to write a long post, but I will try to be simple and clear.
As I said many times, I think ETV has no will to change actual crap, because they have other sources of incomes.
However I already exposed my thought here:

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post: 24.06.2009, 12:44
post: 24.06.2009, 14:28

I just want to add that my theory (about not only fake calls but also fake Vipsmss) is reinforced by this:

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How can be possible that a service message by ETV-team is showed in our screen as a "Vipsms" ??? Bah.....
This would explain very well also how many "Vipsmss for nothing" we often see, most of which by the same "nicks".

However I'm not God, so I could also be wrong and it could be possible ETV is searching a solution to offer his viewers the best (..???..) If so the results are a disaster, and they seem to have no good ideas !
But if the only problem was the "strict censorship" (I don't think so) I would explain better an idea about encryption I exposed here:

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post 09.06.2009, 17:32

and about which some fellows debated yesterday in the Temporary help "junkyard" .

<...since the reason of this encryption should be not to make money but only to ensure ETV is considered not a FTA channel (therefore not subjected to rules),ETV could encrypt the shows with an obsolete low-cost system (seca1,Irdeto1,.....) and distribute a smart-card for this.This smart card should have only a symbolic cost (for example 10/20 euro) and "una-tantum".
After this initial cost the viewers should have no other costs except calls and smss. >

The most common criticisms could be these:

1)Nobody wants to pay 2 times.
2)Encryption costs are very high.
3)In the past it didn't work.
4)No enough subscription for a single channel

Just few thoughts:
1)Viewers should pay only an "una tantum" for a card like this (look at the prices) :

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2)Encryption costs are high in "common paytv" which have their businnes in the cost of subscription and need to be secure against hacking.On the contrary, encryption for ETV would be no expensive, because the don't need to worry about the security of their encryption, which should have only the aim to make ETV to be considered not FTA (--> No rules )

3)In the past it didn't work because it was full of other channels broadcasting such contents for free (nowadays it's not so) and it was the period where many xxx channel of some bouquets were irregularly decrypted (now it's much more difficult)

4)About the number of subscription:
it would be useful to make some "experiments" (much more useful than their stupid experiments to split their crap in 2 craps or to broadcast what they call "New shows", a total crap).
Just an example: they could conclude an agreement with some "SAT receiver producers" and,during the day,they could make some advertisment for this product.Look her (it's just an example in english, you can find much more searching that model on Ebay.de):

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These are very interesting Sat receicers with the possibility to read every card (for every bouquet) and they can even be used to record on USB external devices (like pen drive) for easy transfer and editing to PC.
This is just an example, there are many other producer (Octagon sf 818,Edision Trojan ,Jepssen,....) with similar features and prices.I just want to say that They could agree with some ebay seller and making special offers such this:
for about 70/100 euro (thanks to their advertisinig they will have good prices) they could offer:

Sat receiver + ETV pre-programmed card (I paid my sat receiver the equivalent of 500 euro 9 years ago).
The buyer would be a good product and he could use it to see both ETV and every sat channels (no need of HD-DVD recorders for recordings).I think this could be a good idea to satisfy all the viewers who made famous ETV, making possible its expansion in the world.And I think many of us will be happy to make this minimum initial investment.

The requirements ?
The return to early 2006 style: beautiful girls, hot actions and lesbian interactions ,creativity, good camerawork, not "money for nothing".

Is this what Mr. Ressel wants ? I don't think, but if he wants this could be an idea.

Kind regards

@HvB

Is is proper to use the term 'wanker' in these forums ?.

But dad, can I have my ball back now ?. The sun is still shining (feckin' hot it is too) and I want to go to the park to see all the girlies. It is no fun kicking over a brick wall and the sourpuss on the other side does not give it back.

But since dad saved me the trouble of talking about the 'softcam' - what a wonderful idea for a channel to promote the availablity of such devices - I will just wait for the magic ball that has that wonderful information of the other income earned by ETV.

@ticky and DB

It`s the same discussion with vappiano I had some weeks ago. Do not discuss with him, it`s senseless, he is god, this forum is his own forum, and his words are always true, even if we all think they have no sense! we all must confess his words are true because he has so many words!

hey Ticky and DB

I agree with you. Nothing to add.

Ok kids. Please stop getting personal.
The reprogrammable cam is pretty nice, but neither is it legal to reprogram it for the use with an alternative encryption system without agreement of the owner of the encryption system and without paying the respective licensing fees, nor is that easily done by every one of the current viewers. I doubt that you will get the consent of the respective owners of the intellectual property. If you remember the huge drop in calls and SMS that happened when they switch transponder, you will also have the impression that most Europeans even lack the ability to do a scan to find new channels…
The hotter shows are a nice idea, but it is dependent on the models. They still choose how far they go. It’s a matter of personal limits, mood and environment. You should also consider that the situation in etv country has changed. While a few years ago DTH satellite TV reception was something rather exotic I was pretty surprised by the number of large dishes I saw on my last visit (I remember a model having worked in a sat shop before joining etv and the pretty hard times her ex-colleagues gave her after they discovered her …). Also travelling seems to have become a common hobby in the past years. Seems you have better chances to run into some models in various European cities than in etv city itself … and this seems to be true for a lot of the inhabitants of etv city. So it is much more likely to be discovered than it was years ago, especially as etv and this forum got noticed in etv country lately.
DB is right in mentioning that they own an encryption system (firecrypt, a variation of the x-crypt family) but it should be taken into account that this system is 5 yo and hasn’t been developed since that time. It can hardly be considered secure and I think that nobody else is using it anymore.
And most important and as mentioned before: the possible audience is a very important number. Remember that the costs for satellite distribution alone are somewhat around 150 000 €/month, so everything limiting the possible audience is a pretty bad idea from an economic point of view … It makes more sense to deliver nothing to 1000 viewers than something to 100 viewers. Another thing to consider was brought up by HEXiT (iirc) some time ago: the duration of calls. From my research and from the ideas posted here by HEXiT (iirc) the hotter and more daring shows produce more short calls (wankers) while the softer shows favour the longer calls (talkers). From discussions with some models I know pretty well what they prefer. So if employee satisfaction is taken into account …

Vappiano does not justify anything, he just keeps on argueing based on uneducated observations and nonsensical assumptions.

One cannot discuss with someone who does not understand what he is talking about. One cannot argue nonsense with proper arguments because such is the character of nonsense: it is deprived of sense and therefor does not obey to the rules of sense.

Vappiano is well trained in the art of pseudo-science. However all should be well aware that there is nothing scientifical about pseudo science.

Vappiano is also very well trained in the art of pseudo-discussion, i.e. you may think there is an aim of getting into a discussion where as actually there is not. The goal is not to establish a proposition, the goal is to ventilate an unfounded opinion.

I will not lower myself to the level of pseudo-discussion that Vappiano uses. I will only repeat that his opinions are based on uneducated observations.

"I always justify what I say"

I am still waiting for you to 'justify' your comment in the original post, and many other posts, that ETV have other sources of income. That one you seem to have conveniently forgotten about.

It's a simple case of 'put up or shut up'

Your problem is that when people lick your feet just like they are doing in your video topic you are more than happy. But as soon as anyone challenges you by fair debate (not spoilng a topic as you want to try to put over) that you have got it wrong you set out to attack the debaters. And if the debaters are attacked then it is only fair that they politely return the attack.

Actually I will be more than happy if you do not reply to any more of my topics as you did your best to foul up that other one which was nothing more than a real story wrapped up in some humour. Unfortunately humour is lost on you. But somehow I doubt that you can do that just like you are going back on your principle of not post posting any video of girls still working at the channel

@ ticky:

How many time I read in this forum :
-) Where is the schedule ?
-) Why are shows so bad ?
-) Why girls refuse to perform licit requests by viewers ? ....and so on

Maybe the simple questions are:
1) Is still the mission of ETV to be an erotic channel ? (question by outside for Mr. Ressel, but without any answer in his chat session )
2) Is ETV doing its best to offer something good to the viewers in respect to the rules ?
3) Is there any possible way to overcome these rules ?

This is the aim of this topic, created to try to give some answers with the collaboration of different forum members.
All in the respect of the rule of this forum:

- creative suggestions how to improve shows

I'm not an expert of sat broadcasting and sat devices, I refer only what everybody can read on the web .
Then if you find something false you can open legal actions against the producers of these devices.
I know the information I posted only because I had a problem with my old sat receiver and I was searching for a new model.
For the rest I only post some thoughts and ideas to debate, nothing more.
Every member can reply and post his comment, being free to agree or disagree, mentioning in a polite way the points we disagree.This collaboration should help every members to make some points clear.

You could even be the "greatest expert" in this subject (but you didn't show it),then you could write your post confuting all what I wrote.On the contrary you say:

1)I tell lies.
2)I am wrong on all accounts.
3)I try to make people dumber.
4)I am a "fool".

All this without any proof of what you say, without indicating and demonstrating my "lies" and my "faults". And you have to demonstrate, because you demonstrated absolutely nothing !
You could say: vappiano, according to me your idea is bad, because ....
On the contrary you showed only unmotivated arrogance and rudeness and you are against the forum rules (attacks to fellow members) And you speaks about speculations ? You, who make speculations about my professional life ?

With a post like that I would be banned for the eternity !!!
But maybe you have some "good friend" in this forum...and this is not a good image for the forum itself ....
When I see people like you I'm happy to be completely different from you.
However it's better in this way, because many members will understand how the forum is populated and represented .....

Bah .....

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@ DB

I always justify what I say and you can find in all my posts (while I don't see the same in your posts and in the post of your friend ticky )

< And if I was even going to attempt to explain them in a language that you may pretend to understand you would still fail the basic test. >

But did you ever think a second time what you write ?....

< As for the the debate about the CAM you do seem to have found another piece of equipment other than what you were originally talking about. Then again when the story does not quite fit let's change it >

This sentence is obviously ridicule, because I posted the links and everyone can read that the equipment is the same of the original one.

< For those who have never spent a cent on the channel that is probably a step to far. >

People who have never spent a cent on the channel will never spend for actual shows.

< And for those that have they would probably cut their lossses and give the whole thing up.>

This is the reasons for which I spoke about some "experiments".

< It took an investment, excluding receiver, of over 100 euro to see INXTC (I know as I was there). >

As I said before conditions are changed. It was just an idea and maybe some "experiments" in that way could be useful than their actual "trials" .

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@ ticky,DB

Now, if you have finished your crap, I greet you and I will never answer to any post of yours, because your aim is only to destroy some topics having good purposes.

So another 100 lines without any attempt to justify your theory. When challenged just attack he who challenges as he cannot justify it.

You should know by now that I do not write for those who do not understand my posts but for those who know what I mean. And if I was even going to attempt to explain them in a language that you may pretend to understand you would still fail the basic test.

Obviously I am sorry that you did not understand the post I made a few days ago and that you did like the use of the name Mustapha. Unfortunately that was the name given to him on birth for quite a serious matter that later became a comic one. He could well have been called Bonka but it did not seem right. And if you still do not get it, say the full name MustaphaModel out loud five or six times. Then you might just understand. But then again.....

As for the the debate about the CAM you do seem to have found another piece of equipment other than what you were originally talking about. Then again when the story does not quite fit let's change it.

But in the real world it works like this. The 20 euro card will be the first purchase. Suddenly, the purchaser realises that he needs to spend another 100-200 euro on a receiver and cam just to get that to work. For those who have never spent a cent on the channel that is probably a step to far. And for those that have they would probably cut their lossses and give the whole thing up. And those that do shell out their money find that there is no service at the end since those that were paying are no longer around. And none of this is wild theory as the channel have already been there. It took an investment, excluding receiver, of over 100 euro to see INXTC (I know as I was there). No one called from the subscription side or certainly not enough to keep the service alive and in less than 6 months the live shows stopped. So even if they ditched all the cable. Even if they ditched all the IP services (Hotel tv etc). Even if they went back to their roots and concentrated just on satellite, they have enough experience to tell them, even without all the regulations which have changed since they first started, that it simply cannot work.

Vappiano, may I suggest not to speculate (as usual) on things you do not know enough about to come to a valid proposal. You are wrong on all accounts and your ideas make no sense at all. Learn befor you indulge into furter ridicule. If you want to make a fool out of yourself that is your business, but once you start take on spreading outright lies and false information I have to step in to protect those that cannot judge for themselves whether you are right or wrong. All you do is pseudo-science. All you do is trying to make people dumber. You have to stop that. You may think you can get away with this as long as you are one eyed in the land of blind, but unfortunatly for you you've ran into an expert here. Eh, two experts, I should say.

I'm not even going to discuss this with you as it makes no sense, one fool can ask more questions than 100 wise can answer. Only if you can convince me you that know what you are talking about will I think of entering in a discussion. Until then I will only reply like this to all your posts: "As usual Vappiano's opinions are based on uneducated observations!"

I don't care how many words you think you need to spend on this subject, they are all wasted, as what you write is utter bullshit, so the more you write the more bullshit it will be. If you would know what you are talking your answer would need less than 25 words.

So there you have it!

Folks, as usual, Vappiano's opinions are based on uneducated observations.

Point 1:

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<...the embedded cam can be programmed with alternative firmwares throgh serial port or Usb port, to emulate the many different cam systems (including NDS used by SKY Italy). >

What does it mean ?
You don't need any additional cam. You can programm this cam to emulate the kind of cam you need to read your "regular bouquet".For example: if you need to read your Sky Italy bouquet you can programm this cam with the firmware for NDS Italy.Many seller on ebay sell this cam already programmed for your necessity.
Requirement: a regular subscription card and a commercial agreement with the producer of that specific cam you have to emulate.

Some models have only this programmable cam and they are sold for 60/80 euro.
Other models have this prog. cam + 1 free C.I slot, and they are sold for 90/110 euro.

Point 2 :

I)<This could not work with a nominal cost card >

The card has a nominal cost of about 1.5 euro. I affirmed that it could be sold for 10/20 euro.

II)< I doubt that ETV has the resources to distribute hundreds of thousands of cards.>

Nobody knows.They could try to advertise this idea during the day to see the reaction of the viewers.
Instead of using the webstream and the Sat to split a crap in two craps, they could record some "hot content" (but not from their "Nightshows Golden Dozen" !!!!! ) showing what viewers could expect from ETV. Then they could make some advertisment on the screen, telling the viewers that at a certain time, for example 23:00, they could see (only on the webstream ) how ETV could be in the future.
And they could ask for a "feedback" from the viewers, to see how many viewers would be ready for such a subscription.
I think it could be an experiment much more useful than their stupid "trials" !

III) Cable TV:

This is their choice: they prefer to offer "nothing" to 1000 viewers rather than to offer "something" to 100 viewers, thinking they will always find their "money for nothing caller".
It's only a strategic choice and I think to have the right to disagree (also because of the fake calls/vipsmss I see)
My opinion,and I have already exposed, is that this TV don't want a change,I have not seen any good experiment in a right direction (a direction which can be good for ETV and for customers).

Point 3 : "Wild Theories"

Again? I explained everything very well and there is no need I do it again.There is nothing wild. But maybe you want to read "something more" from me...
Moreover I find very curious you pretend all this clarity from me.
Is clear Mr. Ressel, who comes in the chat to tell his "nothing"?
And you, who write tens of posts with a so "veiled way of writing", telling that you know something but you don't tell us because the "pupils" would not understand ?
You can find my posts tedious, but they are an open book when compared with yours.

Given that this is not likely to happen, these words are a bit of a waste of time but the pupil needs some more lessons.

You CANNOT program a Conax decrypter to receive 'all bouquets'. Conax, Irdeto, Viacces, Seca and anything else for that that matter will just decrypt the signal encoded using that specific system. Now there are cams that will handle multi systems and these tend to be even more expensive so on top of the FTA user needing a receiver with a Ci slot he also finds he needs another CAM unless they were to choose one of these less secure systems.

Ok, your typical user will not have the knowledge to seek out the hacks but since they exist the risk is sufficient for the concern of the regulator.

I will give you an example. Sky UK and Sky Italia (as far as I know) use probably the most secure encrytion system available. The UK channels wanted some freedom to show hotter content using PIN numbers etc, numbers that minors should not have access to. But since the risk was still there then it was not allowed.

There exists other quite secure systems. BISS, as was used by TV6, needs a dedicated receiver. TV6 needed no card. Firecrypt, which was used by INXTC, needs a special CAM and a card.

And a regulator will never buy into an arguement that a responsible parent will remove a smart card when he is not watching an encrypted channel.

But there exists two other problems. A standard subscription channel will have members in fairly small numbers. They rarely distribute the card themselves and farm this out to agents so the proceeds of sale are shared. This could not work with a nominal cost card as there would not be sufficient returns from the proceeds to share out. I doubt that ETV has the resources to distribute hundreds of thousands of cards.

But even if they could, not everyone watches from Europe and not everyone watches from satellite. It has already been shown that ETV is available on cable systems. For the cable operator to continue to offer that channel then he would have to decrypt the signal at source. The channel once again becomes FTA and defeats the whole purpose of the encryption.

So for that reason alone, and the channel looks to the cable market for some of its viewers/callers, it will NEVER happen. And I believe that the 'good manager' has already made these considerations and come to these conclusions.

But my dear pupil, every post I read includes these wild theories that ETV has other sources of income. How about, for once, put some flesh to these theories and state where you think this this income comes from. And I do not mean any sources that you can actually see from your tv screen such as etvclub/cams. Because if you cannot substantiate such theories I would respectively suggest that you stop posting such comments as their repetition has become incredibly tedious.

@ HvB

I'm sorry but yesterday evening I had a commitment.

I know about the need of cam modules and their costs.
For this reason I mentioned some sat receivers less expensive, but with the same video quality (Dreambox has much more functions).and interesting features
Moreover the models I mentioned have:
1)a Conax internal cam, which can be regularly programmed with "patches" for reading every regular card (every bouquet)
2)1 free C.I. slot

My idea was that if you expect that your viewers spend about 3 euro/min for calls and 10 euro for a Vipsms for actual crap, then you could also expect that they accept an initial and "una-tantum" cost of about 100 euro, with the perspective they can call and send Vipsmss for good shows.
Moreover they would have a "universal" product they could use not only for ETV.
In this way also this problem :

<and you will have to use more than one encription system. Why? Because a lot of sat receivers are delivered by the pay tv companies. Unfortunately the use different encription systems throughout Europe >

will be solved, with no need of many encryption systems.
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As regards the laws I agree with you (they are formulated .....) but I really don't understand :

1)A man buys an adult dvd, he watches it and he has to pay attention to remove the disc from the dvd player, else his son ...
2)A man watches ETV using a smartcard (which should not be sold to minors) and then he removes the smartcard from the sat receiver, else his son ...

Where is the difference ?

And what criteria are used to define a "state of the art encryption system" ?
When you are sure that a channel can be seen in clear only using a smartcard, and the sale to minors of any kind of smartcard is prohibited by the law, there should be no other problems for the law !

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Finally: I notice that times are changed (I don't speak about the rules) and this TV offers only its worst to the viewers
(give me only one answer: did you notice the selection of the girls for the nightshows ????? )
I think (maybe I'm wrong) that they don't want any changes because it would mean "to work", and maybe they don't like this word too much.

Hence my idea that it's not possible to make money in this way (but I already explained).

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Thanks again for your help.
Bye

@ HvB:

Thanks for your answer.

I immediately tell you that I have no time to read now ( I have to go out )

I promise you tomorrow morning I wiil read.

Thanks again