Eurotic TV - General Discussion

Here the requested clarification. Sorry for the very long post (book) but it's necessary:

Untill 31.03.2009 there was no daily nudity censorship, so nobody took care if a new model was in the daily or night show.The problem of the girls' shift begins in April 2009. Since then we began to see the nightshifts always populated ny the same girls.(to be clear: I mean that 12/15 girls cover 90% of the nightshifts).
Then in this forum DB/Oldgrizzly, HvB and someone else began to tell us that:

-)Girls choose their own shifts

I began to think:

1) 40 girls, half of these girls don't show their tits: if all the girls were free to choose their shifts, then we could see several nightshows only populated by girls who avoid nudity.On the contrary this never happens. So I thought: some scheme must surely exist, for example a implied rule that at least 2/3 models present during the night must show their tits.
And this is the first observation that is against the claimed freedom of (all) the girls to choose their shifts.

2) I see some recurrent patterns:

Hans + Sabrina + Nikita + Madlen + Viviana + (Kaleya)
Hans + Scarlet + Mashiara
.......

I thought:
-) some girls must have more decisional power than others.
-) some directors have a preferred girls' teamwork.

Also this point is against the claimed freedom of (all) the girls to choose their shifts.

3) Girls like Marayah,Aria,Carmen,Inez,Nikita.... present in an incredible number of nightshow, and this is a limitation for the appearance of other girls.

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My conclusion:

If some directors have some preferences, and if some girls have the opportunity to choose to work always together, then it means that some other girls have their freedom of choice very limitated.And most of these girls are the newest girls (with very few exceptions).

Everytime someone complained here in this forum about the nightshows line-up, for the constant presence of some boring and lazy girls, and asking for some fresh and motivated girls (like Amy, for example), always the same sentence:

'The girls choose their own shifts', don't complain here!'

This sentence, in my view, is too general, because attributes the same responsibility to all the girls, while I think that some girls and some directors have more decisional power.

My 'little game of 'calling these models' (as you call this) was only a provocation to try to make the truth emerge.
And this is the result I obtained. Your words in your last post:

<<< I am not suggesting in my earlier post that the older models do not have privilges. That happens in all employments >>>

is what I always thought, and it's different from you always said, because if some models have privileges, than it's limitation on decisional power of other girls.
It's true, it happens in all employments. but it's what you always denied here.
I fully agree with these Outside's words :

<<< I think it's nothing tragic admitting it happens in Molvania >>>

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Now, since you request, I repost my previous comment, because it gives to me the opportunity to make another comment:

[[[ @ OldGrizzly

Sorry, you speak about an un-sincere channel (I'm still searching in my recs to see Safo at the Birthday Party...), so the matter is in your own words:
how can you say what is 'right' and what is 'error' ?
I'm not the guilty if some old (or former, when ETV was another kind of channel) models tells a story and some other new girls tells another story .
In every job 'seniority' allows some more rights, and probably ETV follows this rule too.
And it's not a secret that certain directors prefer to have some girls in their shows, the so called 'patterns'.
If this is a subject you don't want to be dealt with, Ok, you have my assurance: I will follow this 'new forum rule', which must be for everybody.
But, please, avoid to use some definitions about dishonesty, the word dishonest can be appropriate for somebody but not for me!

Thank you. ]]]

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This is the post you immediately deleted without motivations.
Now I read that it was deleted because it was considered to take issue with forum moderators.
I sincerely don't understand where you can find this issue with the moderators.
I remember you that the word 'Moderator' derives from Latin 'Moderare' ---> 'Modest' in English.
So I find very particular the way you mean your duty.

One thing is a disrespectful behaviour, another thing is an exchange of opinions.

Last, but not least, I find wrong the forum rule according to which you can delete a post without giving any explanations.
The explanation is something always usefull because members must know their faults (or how you judge these faults).

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Finally, a little off-topic request: I have a lot of videos that find their natural place in this section:

[hidden link - please register]

What do you think to re-open that thread (I see too much feet in this last period...) ?

(and to remove that IP filter...?)

Thanks !

Pleased to Evah's return. She showed her face at the(ir) birthday party so she has my max respect.

@der_Boy. Sure Evah (the girl formerly named as Endorphiny) is a nice girl, but you cannot compare her with Tia (at ETV since october 2005 to June 2008). Evah has lasted less than a year.

Just talking about Evah: she speaks a very good english, sure she will be involved in USA stuff, maybe just to host the show and introduce other girls, if she wanted to stay soft, as I think she does.

Yeap. Evah is back.

Some days ago someone asked about a girl in a Brona vid and here she is.

At the birthday party she looked nice at the pole, so welcome back Evah.

By the way: I saw no great announcement on the screen.

Good morning guys.

I started my tv a few minutes ago and it was still on etv because of the night.

Before I change the channel I will give the information that Evah is back in the show.

Back to serious issues, elmovision suggested that cage in studio has been used to take some photosets. So shall we finally expect the models list and the schedule on their site?

And just talking about models list, Mell has been removed since 2 weeks missing.

Naomi is still in because 2 weeks aren't filled yet. She will be removed next weekend, if she won't reappear (and I hope she will, just to write she is like Brona, but without the R). ;)

Then we make renewal. What you prefer beetween these names: Marayah's Channel, Lilian's channel, Gia's channel.

It seems that I had better warn myself for calling a fine member of this forum a 'wind up artist'.

Do it again and I will find myself in my own jailhouse. Tut tut.

PS DB was wrong. The 'fine analysis' was fine. The post was deleted for other reasons. And posts that take issue with forum moderators will continue to be deleted in full.

Vappiano/Bertrandk.

Maybe you should repost that 'good analysis' again just for everyone to see what a wind-up artist you really are. I am sure that the grizzly one could make one exception for resurrecting a deleted post. But of course you will not as you always want to come over as the victim.

Accept that your little game of 'calling these models' and posting something that no model would EVER say over the air (all calls are monitored) is up. Since if she did she would not be on air any more. And that IS fact

I am not suggesting in my earlier post that the older models do not have privilges. That happens in all employments. But I can equally prove that it would not be in their best interest to actively block the appearances of new models. If there exists such a block then someone can explain to me how Scarlet, Maschiarra and Regina all did night-shows quite soon after their first appearance on the tv.

Of course there are only so many slots that can be filled. but can anyone also prove that since 23rd October there has not been a single slot available for a new model. I hardly think so when you consider the various double-shifts etc. And that is what I am saying in the first point. If she wanted to work a night slot then I am sure one would have been avaialble.

@HvB I agree with you about this. But this sounds quite different from DB's.

I don't want to fight any holy war.

So, I repeat, just look at the middle.

October has 31 days (31 nightshow, less birthday party that featured almost all).

I have eyes to see 2 girls 14 times (almost 1/2) in the nightshow last october, 3 girls at 11, 3 at 10 shifts (1/3).

From the other side, 5 girls at 3 shifts (1/10), 2 girls at 2 shifts (1/15), 3 girls with 1 shift (1/30), 8 girls with 0 shifts.

Maybe DB was right, and sure I know there are many criteria to fill in the nightshow schedule. I think one among these is the fightclub power. Directors you named are in the fightclub too.

Nothing tragic, it happens in every jobplace.

Even to me in my former job at holiday break choosing.

I think it's nothing tragic admitting it happens in Molvania too.

Could we all agree about this? :)

anyway, on etv we have a choice between old or new models but only handbras. there are no surprises.
We know what models will move and what models do nothing.
everybody knows that the old clan prohibits new coming the night unless it does nothing.
the boss should intervene, but he went mad, the main it is to make easy money.
Money, money come here.
pathetic

They have much less power than you think.
But you should take into account that directors prefer to work with certain models that garantee a certain level of income due to their fan base and ask for the schedule to be altered to bring their prefered models in if they haven't been quick enough to register for the appropriat timeslots.

Certainly we can said that Chanel begin with a sad cast, I would prefer with her models like Regina or Inez that involve her in the strip

@ HvB

I was accused by DB/OldGrizzly to be dishonest for that reason.
I posted my reply which was immediately deleted by DB/OldGrizzly, and it did contain only the good analysis given by der_Boy: the meaning is that some old girls have more decisional power and many new girls have to adequate themselves to this.That's all. Is it dishonesty ???
Dishonesty is what I see many times on this channel !!!
Amen

Even if you don't believe, DB is right.
Wasn't there someone who talked to the new girls and said they were not allowed to participate in the nightshow?
I seriously doubt he talked to them ... or how did Chanel make it into this show?
I agree that this one appearence doesn't prove the general rules DB posted, but at least it does prove that the other claim was wrong.

@DB

>>And maybe some posters can now accept some basic information:

1. If a girl wants to do a night show, she can

2. There is no management block on such appearances.

3. There is no clique or 'politics of envy'<<

1. You can be sure that no every girl can do a night show at every day. Sure, there is just place for seven girls and some girls (Gia and Aria) are just in night show so not every girl can be in the night show. Maybe that at some days a girl must be in the night show. But seeing Chanel in her daytime show and at the birthday party you can assume that she wanted to be earlier in the night show.

2. But some girls have obviously a better cont(r)act at the management so it's easier for this girls.

3. Sure there are cliques and some of them have more influence.

By the way :

- the last night show of a new model was at 23.09.2009 (Angelina)

- your proof / experiment is made by just one successful test while more than sixty test before were valued as an error. This is probably the worst proof / experiment I've seen in more than 15 years at university and instituts.

But concluding with the best comment (by outside) this evening: Reality is always in the middle.