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robert wrote:Chris26 wrote:lucifer70 wrote:You decide, but if you choose to continue to fund ETV, then you don't complain of the results. As long as ETV is a FTA channel, everyone has the right to complain or criticize. And in the same way, everyone has the right to defend the channel. But if you complain, and keep paying, there's something amiss, also considering how little ETV cares about criticism and suggestions, from both paying and non-paying members. 
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Chris26 wrote:lucifer70 wrote:You decide, but if you choose to continue to fund ETV, then you don't complain of the results. I hadn't realised that the opposite was also true.  You decide, but if you choose not to continue to fund ETV, then you must complain of the results. |
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lucifer70 wrote:< snip > I do hate it when someone tells me what I should or should not watch. The point you raise here is generally a valid one ... but, sadly, you do not seem to understand it  .It is, in fact, what you are observing. "The customer is always right". The customer likes the show. The customer spends his money thereby supporting ETV. The customers have decided. They fund the shows they like and have no need to complain. |
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lucifer70 wrote:You decide, but if you choose to continue to fund ETV, then you don't complain of the results. I think this is basically the heart of it all. |
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Oh luci, please ... I like your conclusions, but as usual they are vastely based on your assumptions.
You know why Scarlet is on web only (or hve you at lest read the topics hinting to the reason)? No, you assume. You know about Gias payment? No, you assume. I could go on like that, but whatfor? In the end it's only that your conclusions are purely based on what you assume to be and not on what is. But you have the chance: you can test your assumptions by simply asking Gia or Scarlet. |
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lucifer70 wrote:This afternoon, I watched the afternoon show (1900 - 2100), Gia has been for more than two hours without even a phone call or a sms, she was for about an hour without even the headset really?
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I see that many are worried about the choices of ETV. The truth is that they've invested so much on the web that don't want surrender to the idea that it's a real "fiasco". So they continue stubbornly, as was done in the past, to support a virtually dead project.
The result of their efforts is before the eyes of all. The web shows, from what was reported and how you can read on this forum, are useless and qualitatively poor. The models in the studio are demotivated and in some cases totally unsuited to this job. Engaged a model like Scarlet in web at night will yet another failure. Few will follow the show (today is Saturday), and others feel defrauded and change the channel, many will decide to spend most of their night in others way. So the Nightshow will be even sadder. The web hasn't increased the revenues of ETV, but increased costs, they must pay the models and the models have almost tripled in the day shifts. Conversely customers are becoming less and Nightshows which were, are and, I hope, will always be the trademark of ETV, will become more and more ridiculous. The result of these choices we have already seen in 2010. The Nightshow were practically in a coma. Furthermore, the genes that direct ETV should think that now the summer is coming and people, faced with increasingly embarrassing shows (such as Thursday, to be clear) will prefer to go out or do anything else rather than watching such crap. This afternoon, I watched the afternoon show (1900 - 2100), Gia has been for more than two hours without even a phone call or a sms, she was for about an hour without even the headset, but they have still paid her. This is the meaning of what I mean, maybe they will be able to trap some customers, but the mass will move and they will remain alone. However, I remind you that the market is not defined by the offer of a good or a service, but by demand. If all stop here to contact ETV, they'll make a decision and bow to the market, as happened in 2010. If you keep giving them money they will never understand and never learn a good lesson. "The customer is always right". You decide, but if you choose to continue to fund ETV, then you don't complain of the results. |
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WILSONSAND wrote:Today i´ve seen a vision of the death of ETV as we have known it. IT´s own suicide. Two news:As long as they broadcast this in a low resolution internet stream I chose to watch the free program and if this is boring I go to bed or watch other channels. As long as they don't offer their special show in a high resolution and high bit rate broadcast I won't pay anything for that. Some hot models are unmotivated and seems extremely bored as Angelina...and the soft models are now more important everyday in the hot shows, what are less hot everyday. Hot shows at risk.Maybe you switched off too early. Angelina often did a great show in the last weeks, but she started that with strong delay, often after 0:30 or 1:00. For what reason ever she did it that way, but for me she didn't look bored. ...Obviously they are right. A customer you fool once or twice, then he's gone. But ETV is fooling them regularly and they seem to keep the faith, so they must be fans. Not joking, this channel is working everyday for them (softfans), bringing everyday to them more new oportunities to be closer their lovely sweeties and softie friends, buying for them in ETV store a bouquet, roses, or whatever love devotion proofs you want. I don´t see them working that hard for improving the quality of the exclusive live shows, that could be very improved.There aren't many hot models left, an the newcomers are pretty soft. Either ETV is really only looking for soft models, but I'm not sure they simply don't get hot models, so these new offers are either reason or result of the cast getting softer and softer, I dont know. But in the end it's traditional ETV business to get hundreds of Euros from a few customers instead of a few Euros from thousands of customers, in this context these new offers make sense. A few customers are easier to handle, but it hurts much more if you lose one, and the potential for new customers paying hundreds of Euros a month is very limited, so I don't know if it's really a good idea. Regards Joker |
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malmaisons wrote:victor999 wrote:I do not want to watch Web show even for free.Small Screen and poor quality(HQ and 850 Kbps-I already ridiculous).It is better to encode the channel.I would have bought a card for 35 euros.Disappear all the spectators?And so they disappear. This is what I don't understand, a good teasing model does not have to show anything in the daytime, a small skirt and loose blouse. The camera nearly showing us paradise, some nice leg shots. We all know who teases perfectly, and never being naked, and again no camera time or no interest in showing what she wants us to see. The office show was perfect and then we see the models all wearing pants, etv seems to have gone man hating mad. Is there a group of man hating feminists in there just putting a brick wall on everything,it seems that way to me. Are we the ones who are hunted and then for our sins of love we must pay ! Every time there was something positive and a good idea it got relegated to nothing almost immediately. The censoreship is there obviously and we have to take that into consideration but c'mon this is absolutely ridiculous. I am glad to stop watching this channel, because it's embarassing tv. |
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Today i´ve seen a vision of the death of ETV as we have known it. IT´s own suicide. Two news:
1.tomorrow, and for the first time in the hot show time, one model (Scarlet) will do a exclusive (payment) show from her home. This is the first "escape" from a hot model out of ETV studio in hot show time. And it is not just any model: Scarlet, a great star. Without her, the studio loses, the payment exclusive service win 3 hours with a powerful model alone from her home. What will you chose? what will the customer chose? it´s obvious that this strategy will become more often in the future, leaving the hot show increasingly blurred, more boring and more soft. More talk show. I think ETV has drawn its strategy :hot shows for premium members, soft shows for the rest. If you want to see something hot, become a customer for joining exclusive live shows. It seems there will be a soft talk-models TV channel and "hot" shows for members in the exclusive live shows. It is terrible. The expansion to the soft english market, wich enhance this extrategy. The hot models are leaving Randa, Sabrina or has reduced her presence in the last weeks, like Scarlet (some say she is seriously dissapointed with ETV staff), Some hot models are unmotivated and seems extremely bored as Angelina...and the soft models are now more important everyday in the hot shows, what are less hot everyday. Hot shows at risk. 2. I´ve read this: "We have an exciting new service available to all true fans- "Message to the model". It allows you to send messages to the models to their private phones." Softfans are riding ETV, definitely. Read carefully: "to all true fans" as if it was Selena Gomez fans club.. Not joking, now the customers are "fans" for ETV. They want to create a devotion relation between customers-models (not because their performances, just because their beauty and the speaking) Not joking, this channel is working everyday for them (softfans), bringing everyday to them more new oportunities to be closer their lovely sweeties and softie friends, buying for them in ETV store a bouquet, roses, or whatever love devotion proofs you want. I don´t see them working that hard for improving the quality of the exclusive live shows, that could be very improved.
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malmaisons wrote:
I think it's all a matter of how much you are in love with your favorite model(s) - maybe some guys would even pay money to watch their beloved one on a mobile phone ... but I agree: a big flatscreen and a good sat signal are best ( .... and good teasing models and good camera work and a good director ... )You are right. Amy I'm glad to see even on the screen notebook. But only Amy. |
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victor999 wrote:I do not want to watch Web show even for free.Small Screen and poor quality(HQ and 850 Kbps-I already ridiculous).It is better to encode the channel.I would have bought a card for 35 euros.Disappear all the spectators?And so they disappear. I think it's all a matter of how much you are in love with your favorite model(s) - maybe some guys would even pay money to watch their beloved one on a mobile phone ... but I agree: a big flatscreen and a good sat signal are best ( .... and good teasing models and good camera work and a good director ... ) |
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Here perhaps lies the explanation, why some hot models were so recitent in the last few night-shows. The impending development makes me sad.
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I do not want to watch Web show even for free.Small Screen and poor quality(HQ and 850 Kbps-I already ridiculous).It is better to encode the channel.I would have bought a card for 35 euros.Disappear all the spectators?And so they disappear.
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well...we have so long criticized the studio but the atmosphere there is unique. More live, more emotions...
and the interactivity that changes continuously among the girls. Scarlet, Gia playing with the cam, the poor camguy who has to follow their moovements... And the girls? How many will follow? If this is the way it'really the last walk... |
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