Different theories: Thoughts of a Jailbird

In the forum-jail I had many time to reflect (as the sheriff suggested ...), and the conclusions of these reflections are in this topic.I must admit: the "input" for my reflections is here:

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Here we read about what can be defined "official theory" and "conspiracy theory".
My aim was to analyse if these definitions are correct, so I prepared this new topic with this purpose.
After having read some comments of yesterday in the junkyard, about some "strange rules" (i.e.: Kaleya's free from rules...) I decided it was time to release my thread.

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Part I : rules and "official theory"

It's evident that this TV has nothing in common with the TV of 2006/2007.
I refer to the nightshows, when you can see on your screen "this program is inappropriate for minors" and you expect you can request something hot, but it's not so (few occasional exceptions).
When we question the reasons for this we read this:

< the models choose how far they go. There is a limitation to that (the rules). It was also explained that there are legal reasons in some countrys for this rules.>
< ...Didn't you understand the previous answers or why do you ask again and again and again ...>

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post 03.05.2009, 17:08 by HvB

< ohhh guys ...manage to dial this number, you will talk to one of the girls in the studio. Talk to her and ask your questions...>
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post 03.05.2009, 17:33 by HvB

< I had an interesting meeting with etvs management ...
... the explanations for the new rules and other changes given in this forum were confirmed >

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(initial post, by HvB)

From the previous words we can understand the "official version" (the answer to the awful shows)

1)models choose how far they go.
2)The limitation for what the girls perform is constituted by the rules due to legal reasons (so ETV is a "victim")

Now we can see that after 3 months and a half many members speak again about these "strange rules", so I'm not the only one who doesn't understand...
So we have to verify if this "official theory" works well.

Part VI: "Another brick in the wall".

Ok guys, the input for this consideration is the  comments I read here:

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and in the Parasitoid's recs of last night.

The brick is constituted by Sabrina's performance and by the use of ice and candles.
Here is a short video where she speaks about these shows with candles and she says that it was about a year these shows were not performed.

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But we all remember it was said that such shows were no more allowed by the "new magic rules"...

So, if there was any need, it is another demonstration of a "self-imposed censorhip" (not due to "legal rules").
Therefore it's also another demonstration of the fact that point (2) of the so-called "ufficial theory":

[ The limitation for what the girls perform is constituted by the rules due to legal reasons (so ETV is a "victim") ]

doesn't describe the reality.
On the contrary the so called "conspiracy theory" fits very well to this fact.
Is stiil correct the use of the definition "conspiracy theory" ?

@ fman1:

Thank you fman1, you really understood the purpose of this thread.
As regards your question: It's true, even in 2006 you could see soft models
(I also remember Karina,Angel,Posh,....) but the main facts that we could notice were:

1)Nightshifts were mainly populated by the best looking girls.
2)These best looking girls were also the "hottest" girls.
3)These girls had not the actual attitude to refuse to perform something which is not against "legal rules".

Nowadays these 3 points are totally missed and this is the reason of the crap-shows.
Can we accept the explanation of the "official theory" to justify this ?
The answer of my analysis is NO, the "official theory" is not able to do this.

Bets regards
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As regards the lenght of a post:

I think it's not a problem. A forum owns this great vantage: you make a post and the post remains there, so members who are interested have the opportunity to read it when they have some free time.
If they want they can answer even after many days.Moreover the "extraordinary" actual shows leave you some minutes to read ...But nobody forces people to read (and to answer, specially when the answer has nothing to do with the subject).

As regards Don Quixote and the jail, I prefer Dumas ...
... even Fernand Mondego and Gerard de Villefort had not recognize the man who left the jail ...

I kept the jail warm. Be careful: it even could be too hot, since when I left it, I placed a lot of dynamite ...

My eyes hurt...

Anyway. Here's another thing to contemplate:

When asked why she lied about her age, after being caught telling she's 20 years old for 10 years in a row, she answered that it's not nice if people give a different answer to the same question every year...

I'm still here. Ooh goody.

@Robert. At least Don Quixote was readable although he spent a lot of his time chasing after windmills. Rather fitting eh ?

Cervantes came up with much of what would become Don Quixote whilst in jail.

@Vappiano68 x
I've read every lines of this topic. I was free to do it and I've found your thoughts interesting !
If you must have new forced vacations... you know now that you have written this topic for some members !

And I have a question for you: if my memory is not so bad, during 2006/2007 we have seen some cold shows (in the morning) with "models" like brianna, cayla, hera, isabella ...
Why these cold shows when the present rules were not there ?

Good night !

If there is one thing I have learnt in my writings over 1500+ posts is that if you hope for a tidy reply you keep the post short.

Anything over 20 lines and people soon tire. They do not even get to the end of the first part let alone read the rest of probably the biggest load of bollocks I have ever been unfortunate to cast my one good eye over.

Good night. Sleep well. Hope u kept that jailhouse warm. I think I might need it.

Part V : Who knows the truth ?

Often I saw in this forum sentences like these:

-) You are wrong, because I know the truth.
-) If you want to know the truth, then call the girls and ask them.

But what is the affidability of these methods?
You all know that our fellow jonas is very well informed about some girls.
A simple example, which can be made because it is not about private life but about an information released by a girl when she was on air:

< You have forgotten that Sabrina had birthday in march 12th. Now she is 23!>
11.07.2009, 21:55 . by jonas
http://www.liveshow-tv.com/en/Forum/eUrotic-TV/Models/Topic/sabrina-1

now let's hear from Sabrina's voice (nightshow 11_12/08/2009) how old she is:

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Normally women tell lies about their age when they are over 40 years. Or they don't answer about their age.
On the contrary Sabrina gives answers, but these answers are different from time to time.
Probably, if you ask her in October, she will be 21 years old (not less, because she is on air since 2006 ... )
I remember a similar fact from Kaleya.
This is only an example, but we can understand how to consider what a model says to you.
Moreover, if we can't know the truth about the age of a model, do you think you can know the truth about something more important ?
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The conclusion:

-)a member can't say: "you are wrong because I know the truth", if the truth he knows is something told by ETV team.
-)if you want some informations and you call the girls, you just waste your money.
-)who really knows the truth (because he/she works in this tv) surely doesn't release all the truth in this forum.
-)If nobody knows the truth, then everybody has to be free to express his opinions without censorship.

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P.S. : All my thought about "different theories" is completely explained.
Everybody is free to agree or not (supporting his ideas with "something objective").
I would be happy if this thread was a place where members, if they want, write their own opinions, not like a chat, with infinite ping-pongs.

Thank you.

Kind regards to all

Part IV : theories (different points of view)

Let's start with a definition:

Conspiration theory = "a theory having the purpose to explain that a certain event is due to some reasons, different from the reasons ufficially known (official theory)".

Now it's very simple :
No official theory -----> No Conspiracy theory,
Therefore no theory can be defined as "conspiration theory", but only as a personal point of view, which can be discussed and criticized, but not defined as "conspiration theory" and deleted from this forum !
Just a simple example:
Regina and Scarlet are rarely employed in nightshifts, and when employed they were "very shy".
Now the miracle: after having broadcasted for long time an ansolute crap, ETV offers from Fryday to Sunday of the past week:
1) Regina and Scarlet showing what they never showed before.
2) Kim "Kaleya" Basinger.
3) A good camerawork with many close-ups, also in the evening-shift (17:00 --->22:00 of 15/08/2009)
(You will find next days this video called "Parasitoid's video number 3").
From this video we can see that even a day-show without nudity could be not so bad.

Now you are free to think what you want, but it's difficult to believe that it's a simple coincidence that all this happens in 3 straight days.

What's the alternative point of view, if you see that the "official theory" doesn't work ?
These limitations are not imposed to ETV (ETV-team is not a victim), but imposed by ETV, probably to squeeze more money from the viewers.
The Crap is not caused by "legal rules", it is caused by their will to obtain a lot of money offering nothing (they spend 10 for having Lilian naked all the night,they spend 50 for Regina/Scarlet going topless, they should spend 100 for having girls "Jaya-style" during the night).
When they understand that viewers are tired of their absolute crap, they make some shows containing some "gifts for a day", to maintain the interest of the viewers (i.e. : the 3 straight days I mentioned before)
Successively they continue with their crap.
A simple method of work: costs down, earnings up!

Part III : analysis of "objective material"

In the last days of July, for the first time after the "new rules", everyone could see that Kaleya and Randa performed both fullstrips and interactions.So NO LEGAL RULES forbid these kinds of performances during the nightshows.
Now let's consider Sabrina. Everybody knows that she has no problems to show completely her naked body.
Now look here (nightshow 11_12/08/2009, the nightshow when Sabrina was so kind to define a caller "freak", as glassy rightly said in the junkyard):

1)A viewer requests Sabrina for a fullstrip :
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Sabrina answers: "... for the fullstrip I'm not really sure".
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2)Now look at this video (from the same nightshow 11_12/08/2009): a request of a "muschi-show". Sabrina answers that it's very "complicated" and then she finds a way to fool the viewer (look an listen).
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Only one question: what is "complicated" in a "muschi-show" ? She always made 3 years ago !
3)The same viewer, after some minutes, sends another vipssms requesting again for a fullstrip:
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Sabrina, this time, answers this way:
"... I think that I can make a fullstrip for you...",
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but the fullstrip has been not performed
So the viewer.in the whole show, spent 30/40 euros, his request (fullstrip) has been not fulfilled and his question (about Sabrina's age) had an answer that,probably, it's not the truth (I will explain later).
Anyway this viewer was sooooo happy ...

(btw: It would be interesting to find such customers,if they really exist,also for my job...)

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Analysis: Sabrina knows well the "legal rules" and knows well what she accepts to perform or not.
So what's the meaning of her uncertainty: "I'm not really sure" ? or "I think that I can" ? or "it's very complicated" ?

Considerations:

I) Cold and awful nightshows are not imposed by "legal rules" (demonstrated by Kaleya,Randa,.....)
II) Many factors are against the theory that "models choose how far they go",for example:
A)The "uncertainty" of Sabrina (the same happens with many other girls)
B)The behaviour of Clio (so-called "brainwash")
C)The behaviour of Ashley in the past months ("hot" one day, "cold" the day after, "warm" 2 days after,.....)
D)The camera censorhip on Angelina (the camera chose for her...) or Brizeida in the last days.
E)Many other "ex hot-girls" (we all know their names) perform in a "softer" way, but we know that No Legal Rules impose this.

III)If the hypothesis (II) is not correct, then the uncertainty expressed by Sabrina can only be a "fake uncertainty".
So her purpose would be only to not fulfill the request to induce the "poor viewer" to spend more money.
But this purpose is showed by many other girls(see previous point (E) ), even the girls who never performed hot actions (so there was no need to limit also their actions).
And when a girl breaks inadvertently for 1 second this behaviour, then the cameraman does his work switching away from her.In conclusion: it is not a behaviour of a single girl,but a general behaviour,and a general behaviour derives from a method of work, and a method is usually imposed by the management.

Anyway, whatever is the correct hypothesis (II or III), then points 1 and 2 of the "official theory" don't give me answers that I can compare with what I see.
What's the consequence ?
The "Official version" doesn't describe what we see, so an "official version" doesn't exist !

Part II : how to make the analysis

Now let's go back to this thread:
http://www.liveshow-tv.com/en/Forum/eUrotic-TV/Models/Topic/Regina-the-two-real-stars-and-a-conclusion-or-two

Speaking of the videos-observation as a proof of what we say:

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post 04.05.2009, 20:10 , by DB

< ...they are they are meaningless... what you see in your videos will only be what you want to see.>

From these words we understand that a good analysis must be done on a "objective basis", about something that all members can perceive at the same way.
So it's not enough to observe a girl like Regina,Inez,Carmen or Mashiara, to understand who decides what she performs.
I remember the first time I saw Regina. I saw her face from the "high quality ETV stream" (a crap) and I thought she was Princess' sister (so I thought: "a new call-center girl").
Immediately I could see that she was very different from what I supposed and that she has a way to move and to show her body that you can't learn in some days/weeks.
So my opinion is that, probably, Regina was not "shy" and not "soft", even when she didn't show her tits, and that she probably was able to show what she showed last days since the first day she entered ETV studio.
However this is only my impression, so it's not objective.
If we want to do an "objective analysis" we have to consider as a proof somethibg that we all can perceive at the same way:something to read, something to hear and a bit of "probability theory".
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