Communal shooters go here

Ok fellow shooters, I am the new deputy sheriff around here. And like any good lawman I shoot first and ask questions later.

So if you want to shoot something which is not covered by other topics or topics that you can open yourself - if you can still shoot straight after that last one - then put it here.

But wash your hands first. Bill has other uses for sticky keys.

[edited on the grounds of taste and decency]

Sorry guys but I have to close this topic for a while. I'm absolutely sick of what's going on here! And please don't even think about opening new topics which continue the latest story here. I want a clean forum without weird theories and troublemakers. If you do not like ETV do not watch it and enjoy the (hopfefully) sunny weather. But do not complain on and on and on. Else accept what ETV is able to deliver at present, you can't change it anyway.

Some viewers do not read exactly my posts! I wrote to a question of markus that I perhaps would leave ETV as a viewer if Nikita/Sabrina would leave it

Dear sheriff,

I promise that you will never see a reply to jonas from me neither about this subject nor about anything else,
because I have understood it's no more possible for me to speak with people with such behaviours:

< ...ETV now is really so bad that I would leave ETV as a viewer.>
< So I have no reason (in the moment) to stop spending my money for ETV.>

Two sentences from the same person, in less than 14 hours !!!!!

<Till now that proper service was fulfilled, especially by Hans, Vicky,Nikita and Sabrina >

The same Vicky he speaks about here :

[hidden link - please register]

< Vicky - a swindler! >
<If you will know what a crap tv station etv is, please read the following sentences >
< A case for the judge! >

You have to admit it's difficult to speak with people who says a thing and the opposite thing at the same time !
And maybe these kinds of behaviours can be the cause of my posts.
I am not brought up to do in this way !

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< repeating them even when a member makes good arguement why you are wrong.>

I have answered in a polite way to that post explaining the reason I don't think to be wrong.
When I understand to be wrong I admit, so you can see now I choose my words in a correct way,
without colourful expressions, but I have the right to express my ideas.
A member can tell me I'm wrong only if I say 2+2 = 5 , else he can only write his opinion.

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I only ask you a courtesy:
I still have several videos to post for my friends and I would prepare a topic for the section "Liveshow"
but I have no enough time at the moment.
Give me the possibility to do this and then I will consider the idea to stop posting, because you think
my behaviour (which I consider the best possible behavior for me) is not compatible with your rules but I can not
accept to be member of a forum without having the right to express my thoughts.
Moreover you and me have different opinions about what is a "personal attack".
For example this is a good example of what I consider a personal attack:

< If you engineer the way you post, I would never dare touching anything you've ever created. >
taken from here:
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post 08.05.2009, 01:59 (by ticky)

I think this is a great "personal attack" because it's about my professional life,
but I didn't see any kind of warning from you or other Board Admins !

Vappiano.

You have already been warned once this week about your comments. You are adding nothing to the debate and simply repeating them even when a member makes good arguement why you are wrong.

They are nothing more than thinly veiled personal attacks. I do not want to read any more on this subject either here or in any future topic.

This is your final warning.

@ticky

Thank you for your words. You wrote: I just demand a proper service. Till now that proper service was fulfilled, especially by Hans, Vicky,  Nikita and Sabrina, though ETV now is very bad . If you watch ETV you know that for me a proper service is a good shown strip, no lesbian show, no muschi show, no cream show (only once I demanded a cream show from Nikita and Sabrina - that was a mistake!). When ETV began to show nakedness only after 23.00, Nikita told me that before, so I didn`t loose my money for nothing. When she did wear a sexy outfit, then I sometimes made her compliments or demanded a dance of her before 23.00. Unfortunately she does not wear a sexy outfit before 23.00 in the moment.

It is true that the models make nearly no full strips in the moment. Most of the strips end at the tanga. But I began to like Nikita in september 2006, when she made no full strips - and she became my favourite model without making full strips (Full strips with showing her pussy she made only in the good times of ETV between January 2007 and may 2007).

So I have no reason (in the moment) to stop spending my money for ETV.

@ ticky:

I can't agree with you and now I explain the reason:

<So your complaints about ETV are in essence invalid, and this goes for anybody that never or no longer spend their money on ETV.>

ETV developed also thanks to my money, the money I spent in 2006/2007 to call Jaya,Safo,Selena.
Many other members here made the same thing.
ETV, without our money,could not become so important and now we have 101% the right to complain because we have seen that ETV management took advantage of our money not to create a better TV but only to expand in other markets and investing in other businesses without any care about quality and without any respect for the viewers who gave them the money they actually invest.
Yest, I switch it off after 5 minutes, but I have the right to complain !
For this reason it's clear that your comparison with TBN is senseless ( they are not investing my money )

<Jonas, on the other hand, is contributing to the channel, so if anybody has a right to complain, it would be him.>

1)Jonas could have the right to complain only if he requests something and his request is not fulfilled.
But after having seen 1,2,3,.... times that his requests are not fulfilled he should understand that this is their method of work.

2)Jonas has absolutely no right to complain when he sends Vip SMSs like these:

"Good night, my love"
"Hello Hans,Nikita,Sabrina.You are the best"

....and many others....

because they don't contain any request. They are only "money for nothing"!
So, what could he complain about ?
In this way he only contributes to the growth of this crap, because when people understand they can make money indipendently from their work, their work will be always bad !
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I hope my position is clear now.

Well, Vappiano, I have to ask you to stay just a bit longer.

Consider this: You -but I might as well have put almost any name there, so don't take this personal- do not spend money on ETV, so you have no right to complain about the contents as you do not actually contribute to it. If you do not like it: switch it off. Why don't you complain about TBN for not presenting a god you believe in, or, if you're a non-believer, for presenting a god at all. You don't do that, I guess because you do not watch TBN. So your complaints about ETV are in essence invalid, and this goes for anybody that never or no longer spend their money on ETV.

Jonas, on the other hand, is contributing to the channel, so if anybody has a right to complain, it would be him.

Now you may say: "stop spending, because your contribution just prolongs the crap" but that still does not give you the right to complain, and it certainly does not give you a reason to deny him his right to complain. It is only because you and I both know that he's never going to get any value for money that we advise him to stop doing so, but in the end, as long as he pays he has the right to complain.

In short: you (me, most of us) are not a customer of ETV. Jonas is. As such he is protected by laws on consumer rights. His SMS is bound by some kind of contract, and if the other party (ETV) does not keep its part of the deal Jonas can demand a satisfactory delivery of service or a refund! Apparently he does not care about a refund, he just demands a proper service, hence his complaints.

Unfortunatly, complaining in this forum does not help, as ETV does not care sh*t about our opinion.

So my advise to Jonas would be to take this matter to court. Afterall, it's your money, and obviously you have plenty of it to spend.

This is my last last last reply to this subject:

I don't want to tell you how you can throw away your money.
I just said:
1) Money for nothing is one of the reasons for poor quality of the TV.
2) People who contributed to this crap with their money for nothing have no right to complain.

Amen. Amen. Amen.

and good night to all

No reply to vappiano! I will not repeat my reasons to spend my money, that`s my decision, and i am not the slave of other members in that forum with their abstruse speculations and spending a lot of time to write about "crap". Amen

@ Bad-Boy

You are right!
I read at that time but I hoped that something could change.
Now I have seen that something has changed, but in the wrong direction and in an irreversible way!
So I'll give immediately my support for that petition.

My dear jonas,

I'll give some answers:

< If ETV is so bad - I full agree with you about that! >

If you agree then what's the reason you continue to give them money for nothing ?
Don't tell me that 10 euro to say:
"Good night, my love" or:
"Hello Hans,Nikita,Sabrina.You are the best"
is not money for nothing!
Remember: Hans, Sabrina and Nikita are responsible of actual crap, because if you understand your work is a bad work you can refuse to make it !
And it seems to me they don't refuse to make money in this way !

< Is that crap tv so important for you??? >

I can't stay more than 5 min. watching this crap, but I watch to see if something changes.
During the week (not week end) I liked to spend 1 o 2 hours, in the evening, in company of ETV ( Good Old ETV )
Therefore I have all the right to complain every time I want about actual crap.
According to me you have not this right, because of your contribution to this crap with your money for nothing.
When people understand they can make money without paying attention to quality, the quality declines !

< We all can only suppose why ETV became so bad...All words about that are speculative.>

Now I give you my explanation, and I think it's not a speculation:

ETV has become so bad because of their business strategy.
They could have many solutions to solve the problem of "censorship", for example broadcasting part of the show on SAT and part only on the webstream ( when I'll have more time I'll explain in a more exhaustive way ), having more respect of the viewers who gave them money until now.
On the contrary they decided to :
a)expand in many markets because they know that in this way they will find many other persons who spend money
for nothing, and they can save space, money for the girls (who are ,with few exceptions, only call-center girls, without any capacity to perform in an erotic channel) for the camerawork, for the scenary and so on.
b)invest in other activities ( Etvclub,Etvcams,....)

< but perhaps ETV now is really so bad that I would leave ETV as a viewer. >

You said similar things many other times but .....

<<<So I ask to put the section dedicated to Good Old ETV in the section "In memoriam" and to delete
the section dedicated to actual crap from this site.>>>
Do you remember this topic!
http://www.liveshow-tv.com/en/Forum/eUrotic-TV/Liveshows/Topic/Petition

@Markus 76

To answer your question: I don`t know! Of course there are other good and beautiful models (for me for example Sandra, Carmen, Viviana, Barbie), but perhaps ETV now is really so bad that I would leave ETV as a viewer.

I think the problem is not the cast or the Rules. i think the problem of them is that always the same models in the same timewindow.

I mean you have always the same five models in the daytime and every night the same models, too. So, you see always the same nude girls at night over and over again.

And we know that some daytime models are able to strip and i think they would do it if they were scheduled at night. But with this selection it is the same problem as with food. I don´t wanna eat Schnitzel or Pizza every day.

And the other problem i see it is that some favourite models of some users are have left ETV or only be soft the whole time they are on air.

And my question to Jonas: Will you watch ETV again if Sabrina or Nikita leave ETV?

This is some reason to blame ETV and for me another reason is the mods at Night. I don´´t like Amanda as model and as Mod she isn´t acceptable. Hotbird watchers can be glad. They don´thave to hear her...