A Day at … the eUrotic studios

@HvB
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Another day and another magnificent theory by Vappiano.

Remember folks, you read it here first.I am a paid consultant at ETV. Darn it. Now that the truth is out what chance will I ever get to emulate my dear friend.

But glad that you found the time to post this revelation. All work and no play will always make for a duller existence.

But like everyone else, I will now leave this topic. I have a consultation document to prepare. Any one for a pizza ?

@ HvB,DB

All the point is in these words:

< I'm not so much interested in the show itself, so we haven't spoken about what improvements will be done or will not be done to the show >
< The only operational topics we looked at were of technical nature. >

-)simple viewers (like me) are interested in an improvement of the shows, otherwise there is no reason ETV continues to be defined "erotic channel",there is no reason to spend money for a channel like that and there is no reason they can still have the sms and phone prices of an erotic channel !
Without quality improvements the channel could close and for me it makes no difference.

-)People like you and DB ,

(I remember a sentence from DB:
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post 02.04.2009, 18:10
< I am a teacher.Both to the members and also to the tv itself. I do share ideas. > )

in different ways, take advantage from the fact that channels like ETV survive and continue to make money, independently from the quality they broadcast and from the way they make moneys.
Your aim is that this channel survives and makes money ( I don't think you share your ideas for free ...).

Now it's clear that,in some points, we will never agree.

However,if I could give a suggestion to the teacher, he should think to share better ideas about TV,
instead of thinking how vappiano68 spends his time ( which is no the subject of discussion in this forum )
or complaining about the fact that vappiano68 takes care that his forum friends can download his videos in the best possible way.

Since I completely agree with Glassy,now it's time I leave this topic.

@HvB
Ok, globally the advertising market decreases. But in my country, the advertising budget decreases most of all for the great channels tv and increases for the little channels tv i.e. the market is being restructured. The announcers want get at their customers with more efficiency. ETV can take advantage to be a little channel tv for a precise market on many countries. They must have an offensive attitude to win...

it would seem they are stopping everything these days. The channel started as a channel where not only could you call girls to talk to but you could see them as well. Not only that--they did sexy requests for you involving all sorts of props for which the channel became very successfull and famous for. We have all seen the old recordings of what it was like. But now the channel is slowly moving to a situation of still being a channel you can call and you can still see who you are calling but there will be no sexy action or exposing any part of their body. It is going to end up a glorified chat show--even during the night.Kaleya is on just now trying hard to make out as if everybody is having fun and its one big party. Sorry Kaleya --the party is over and it ended some time ago. I will say no more on this topic to prevent the ping pong syndrome starting bye bye

@glassy: I remember, but I also remember that they have stopped it.

Hi hvb-- yes and every time eurotic has tamed down the shows ---every time they do this the result is softer and softer shows. The day shows are now as soft as you can get and the night shows are slowly going the same way. Hardly any close ups --hardly any interaction between the models and cameras staying "safely" away from any scene that might be hot.The result of all this is "hardly any calls". Sometimes they hardly even show their tits now . The red curtain during the day is pure farce when other channels show much more. Some form of subscription channel able to show really hot action is req. Maybe on the old etv2 transponder. I know this is away from the phone in idea but other subscription channels seem to be doing well. I think I would subscribe if I knew I was going to get good action from live models--though not the models they have just now. Kaleya and freinds used to do live dildo shows--remember ?

The middle east is already a big market they have. Or what other explanation do you have for the Arabic advertising they do on HB? Advertising, well, looking at the history we all remember the Tantra shows (and they where damn good), but it doesn't seem to have been a financial success as it wasn't repeated until the rather poor AFF advertising they do now (oh, come on folks, you can do better ...). But advertising is nothing I would build my future on, especially not @ the moment as the advertising market is plummeting. When even the biggest commercial channels have to cut their costs due to the lower than expected ad revenue, I wouldn't try to get into that market now. And sponsoring ... well ... do you really think that F1 is trying to limit the costs "to give the smaller teams a chance to compete"? No, sponsoring money is increasingly harder to get and the figures are getting smaller. There must be something else.

But what experiments have we seen until now?

1) Event/Clubshows (Big Sister, Prague)
2) Embedded erotic (Dream Screens for Kanal A in Slovenia, modest nudety disguised as art)
3) Big Brother inspired shows (models get tasks to do like SMShow, Picture-Show, ...)
4) eUrotic Idol (Naliny, Mariyah, Patricia singing, Alex @ the piano)
5) Ambiente Shows (Arabic Nights, feeding Nickita, ...)
6) Themed Shows (ok, obviously a thing of the past as it was only delivering a frame to get nekkid ...)

anything I left out?

attitudes have changed
But one thing is true, all these channels will certainly disappear in the near future.

@HvB
The liveshows until now are financed by calls/sms. With the restrictions (laws/lobbies...), it's very difficult to live and it will be more and more. They must find money where money is. Where is money today:
1) In countries where it's impossible to broadcast (china, middle east). We immediately forgot this way...
2) In companies: they can accept to bring money if they receive customers and to realize that, they must do advertizing.
(It 'll be sponsoring). But in the same time, the companies must account that ETV is compatible with their minds.
When you watch the sponsors of the bike-races, you find many companies of whom the activity sector is very far of the bike. And when we uncover dope the sponsors leave.
For the liveshows, it's not different. ETV (and the others channels) must do shows interesting for many viewers and enough soft for the companies. The knowledge of the companies by the viewers can be, using logos or using products.
By example: A company doing yaourts can accept to be sponsor if the models (very pretty of course) eat these yaourts during the shows and if the viewers understand that the models are so pretty because they eat them.
(It"s better to do this with an other product than sauerkraut!).
A liveshow is a little on the good way: Opal TV : they do a game and a show simultaneous. They can easily add products.

<<<I expect fta erotic to disappear in the next years>>>

If it really happens I think this forum is unnecessary too or it's only used for vids of "The good old times"

apologies to the OP for this off-topic but I can not resist it

Vappiano wrote:

"Sorry for my late reply but during in the night I am at bed, because during the day I am very busy:"

Multiple daily posts which add nothing to the debate. Multiple uploads of videos. Some even duplicated on different hosts.

So if you can manage this when you are busy then I would hate to see your input when you are not.

Back to topic:

The teacher will not give any more lessons as everything is here already. Some pupils really should do their homework before sitting exams

@glassy: etv is now for 4 1/2 years on air. The extreamly boring shows of this kind run since early April, so that's just a month so far. You remember that there have been other periods where shows were extreamly tamed down only to slowly pick up speed again but without reaching the previous level.

I tell you my views instead.
It's pretty simple, just what you see yourself. Interactive liveshow tv stays interesting, but the market is saturated with the current formats. There is not much growth left. So it needs new ideas and new formats. On the regulation side it's pretty much the same. With the European Directive around and slowly being transitioned into national laws, fta erotic as we know it is pretty much history. You all could see what happened in Italy. Channels dissapeared and tried to cash in by doing extreamly hot shows to squeze some last money out before going into the happy hunting place. So we will see something like that happening in all European countries. A lot of small channels that already suffer from the declining advertising market will go off air. Some may be tempted to do it like the Italien ones and try to make some money fast before disappearing. A small company can work that market, but it's no strategy that has a future. I expect fta erotic to disappear in the next years and what's left will be very soft (see UK, see the current etv). The time for pussy shows in the morning is over. So if you have good ideas for interactive tv, there are good times to start something up coming.

Internet will be a interesting market, but as you see regulation and sometimes even censorship like in Germany is already on it's way to stop the party. So membership- and paysites will be the way into the future, but it will take a lot of time till it's profitable (if ever) unless you partner with someone who is already a big player.

Again: this are my views. Feel free to discuss them.

@HvB
And what they said ? You can talk without let out their strategy !