Formula 1 General Chat & Discussion

F1 teams rejected another proposal of the FIA geniuses : FIA wanted 2 obligatory Pit - Stops
in every GP
Thanks God teams said NO
About the double points in last GP, Vettel said he has some objections about it because this
rule has no sense and penalizes those who work hard all the year.

Watcher wrote:

Italianfan wrote:FIA announced today a clamorous news : in 2014 the last GP (Abu Dhabi November 23rd) will assign double
points, so the winner will get 50 points.
"This rule is immediately applicable" said FIA "and it could raise the interest in the Championship
till the end".

How bloody ridiculous!

So the person leading the championship by 26 points and technically world champion means little if the car fails or they come in 5th they lose the title due to double points for the "winner? the cars have shrunk in the years along with the engines, so logic says, the 2015 winner wins by getting 7,000 points more than 2nd place ;)

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Italianfan wrote:FIA announced today a clamorous news : in 2014 the last GP (Abu Dhabi November 23rd) will assign double
points, so the winner will get 50 points.
"This rule is immediately applicable" said FIA "and it could raise the interest in the Championship
till the end".

How bloody ridiculous!

FIA announced today a clamorous news : in 2014 the last GP (Abu Dhabi November 23rd) will assign double
points, so the winner will get 50 points.
"This rule is immediately applicable" said FIA "and it could raise the interest in the Championship
till the end".

F1 2014 OFFICIAL CALENDAR : 19 Races; Out Korea, New Jersey and Mexico; Russia debuts; Austria returns.

March 16th GP Australia (Melbourne)
March 30th GP Malesia (Sepang)
April 6th GP Bahrain (Sakhir)
April 20th GP China (Shanghai)
May 11th GP Spain (Barcelona)
May 25th GP Monaco (Montecarlo)
June 8th GP Canada (Montreal)
June 22nd GP Austria (Spielberg)
July 6th GP Great Britain (Silverstone)
July 20th GP Germany (Hockenheim)
July 27th GP Hungary (Budapest)
August 24th GP Belgium (Spa)
September 7th GP Italy (Monza)
September 21st GP Singapore (Marina Bay)
October 5th GP Japan (Suzuka)
October 12th GP Russia (Sochi)
November 2nd GP U.S.A. (Austin)
November 9th GP Brazil (Interlagos)
November 23rd GP Abu Dhabi (Yas Marina)

30/11/1966 mika salo former finnish f1 driver
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Official news : Lotus announced that Pastor Maldonado will replace Kimi Raikkonen next year as second
driver, with the confirmed Romain Grosjean as first.
"For me is a fantastic opportunity" said Maldonado " Lotus offer is the best chance to be competitive".

To celebrate its 10th "birthday", next year Bahrain GP will become a night race.
Circuit director Salman bin Isa Al - Khalifa said that the installation of the new illumination
system will be completed next February.

constructors standings
1 Red Bull Racing-Renault 596
2 Mercedes 360
3 Ferrari 354
4 Lotus-Renault 315
5 McLaren-Mercedes 122
6 Force India-Mercedes 77
7 Sauber-Ferrari 57
8 STR-Ferrari 33
9 Williams-Renault 5
10 Marussia-Cosworth 0
11 Caterham-Renault 0

drivers standings
1 Sebastian Vettel German Red Bull Racing-Renault 397
2 Fernando Alonso Spanish Ferrari 242
3 Mark Webber Australian Red Bull Racing-Renault 199
4 Lewis Hamilton British Mercedes 189
5 Kimi Räikkönen Finnish Lotus-Renault 183
6 Nico Rosberg German Mercedes 171
7 Romain Grosjean French Lotus-Renault 132
8 Felipe Massa Brazilian Ferrari 112
9 Jenson Button British McLaren-Mercedes 73
10 Nico Hulkenberg German Sauber-Ferrari 51
11 Sergio Perez Mexican McLaren-Mercedes 49
12 Paul di Resta British Force India-Mercedes 48
13 Adrian Sutil German Force India-Mercedes 29
14 Daniel Ricciardo Australian STR-Ferrari 20
15 Jean-Eric Vergne French STR-Ferrari 13
16 Esteban Gutierrez Mexican Sauber-Ferrari 6
17 Valtteri Bottas Finnish Williams-Renault 4
18 Pastor Maldonado Venezuelan Williams-Renault 1
19 Jules Bianchi French Marussia-Cosworth 0
20 Charles Pic French Caterham-Renault 0
21 Heikki Kovalainen Finnish Lotus-Renault 0
22 Giedo van der Garde Dutch Caterham-Renault 0
23 Max Chilton British Marussia-Cosworth 0

The Final Race result of the 2013 season :

1. Sebastian Vettel - Red Bull Racing - 1h32:36.300
2. Mark Webber - Red Bull Racing - 1:15.436 + 10.452
3. Fernando Alonso - Ferrari -- + 18.9
4. Jenson Button - McLaren - + 37.3
5. Nico Rosberg - Mercedes GP- + 39.0
6. Sergio Perez - McLaren - + 44.0
7. Felipe Massa - Ferrari - + 49.1
8. Nico Hulkenberg - Sauber - + 1:04.2
9. Lewis Hamilton - Mercedes GP - + 1:12.9
10. Daniel Ricciardo - Toro Rosso - + 1 lap
11. Paul di Resta - Force India - + 1 lap
12. Esteban Gutierrez - Sauber - + 1 lap
13. Adrian Sutil -Force India - + 1 lap
14. Heikki Kovalainen - Lotus - + 1 lap
15. Jean-Eric Vergne - Toro Rosso - + 1 lap
16. Pastor Maldonado - Williams - + 1 lap
17. Jules Bianchi - Marussia F1 Team - + 2 laps
18. Giedo van der Garde - Caterham - + 2 laps
19. Max Chilton - Marussia F1 Team - + 2 laps
Did Not Finish :
20. Charles Pic - Caterham
21. Valtteri Bottas - Williams
22. Romain Grosjean - Lotus


Fastest Lap : Mark Webber - 1:15.436
Pitstop Daniel Ricciardo : 2 ( lap 14 - 42 )
Bat . 2 Teams : Mark Webber > Lewis Hamitlon
Grid pos. Felipe Massa : 7th place

Vettel grabs record-equalling ninth straight F1 victory :
Sebastian Vettel ended the 2013 Formula 1 season with a ninth consecutive race win, as his Red Bull team-mate Mark Webber said goodbye to the championship with second place. Fernando Alonso gave gallant chase to the Red Bulls and got Ferrari back on the podium, in a race in which rain regularly threatened, but never materialised in sufficient doses to cause a problem. It was not a totally straightforward win for Vettel, who had to do some overtaking and overcome a pitstop drama. He lost the lead at the start as both Nico Rosberg and Alonso got away better. Rosberg led out of the Senna S, but Alonso ran out of space and lost third to the German's Mercedes team-mate Lewis Hamilton. Both Mercedes were overtaken at the end of lap one though, with Vettel easily reclaiming the lead from Rosberg as Alonso passed Hamilton in their wake. Webber, who had won a first-lap battle with Felipe Massa, quickly followed Alonso past Hamilton, with both soon overtaking Rosberg as well. Alonso put up a fight against Webber and did not lose second place until lap 13. He then regained it when the Red Bull had an issue on its right rear wheel at the first pitstops, but Webber only needed two laps to catch and re-pass the Ferrari. Although Webber was able to chip away at Vettel's lead, the champion was always able to respond. Vettel's big lead turned out to be crucial as both Red Bulls made simultaneous final pitstops - to the apparent surprise of a crew prepared for Webber, not Vettel. That halved Vettel's advantage to six seconds, and the lead battle then threatened to come truly alive as rain appeared to loom and both Webber and Alonso started closing in. In the event, the thick clouds refrained from opening over the final laps, and the top three spread out again, allowing Vettel to take a record-equalling 13th win of the year. With Rosberg steadily dropping back through the field, Hamilton and Massa began battling for fourth until both hit trouble. Massa was left furious by a drive-through penalty for crossing the pit entry line on flying laps, while Hamilton tangled with Valtteri Bottas as the Williams driver moved to un-lap himself into the Descida do Lago. While Bottas was sent crashing into retirement, Hamilton picked up a puncture and was given a penalty for causing the collision. Those dramas played a part in McLaren's best result of its painful 2013 season, though Jenson Button and Sergio Perez's progress from 14th and 19th on the grid to fourth and sixth was mainly down to excellent race pace from their unloved car. The duo sandwiched Rosberg at the flag.
Massa and Hamilton recovered to seventh and ninth, split by Nico Hulkenberg's Sauber. Daniel Ricciardo gave Toro Rosso the final point in his last appearance before leaving for Red Bull, holding Paul di Resta, Esteban Gutierrez and Adrian Sutil at bay. Lotus's promising season came to a miserable end. Romain Grosjean lasted just two laps before a massive engine failure while running eighth, while Heikki Kovalainen was outside the points again in 14th having fallen to 18th on the opening lap. Marussia beat Caterham in the constructors' championship's tail-end battle for the first time. Caterham had been the quicker of the pair at Interlagos, but Giedo van der Garde was penalised for ignoring blue flags and Charles Pic had a late suspension failure, meaning Jules Bianchi gave Marussia the 'win' in the race day battle too.

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Shaky - Schumi

FORMULA 1 GRANDE PRÊMIO PETROBRAS DO BRASIL 2013
race results
1 1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing-Renault 71 1:32:36.300 1 25
2 2 Mark Webber Red Bull Racing-Renault 71 +10.4 secs 4 18
3 3 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 71 +18.9 secs 3 15
4 5 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 71 +37.3 secs 14 12
5 9 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 71 +39.0 secs 2 10
6 6 Sergio Perez McLaren-Mercedes 71 +44.0 secs 19 8
7 4 Felipe Massa Ferrari 71 +49.1 secs 9 6
8 11 Nico Hulkenberg Sauber-Ferrari 71 +64.2 secs 10 4
9 10 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 71 +72.9 secs 5 2
10 19 Daniel Ricciardo STR-Ferrari 70 +1 Lap 7 1
11 14 Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 70 +1 Lap 12
12 12 Esteban Gutierrez Sauber-Ferrari 70 +1 Lap 17
13 15 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 70 +1 Lap 15
14 7 Heikki Kovalainen Lotus-Renault 70 +1 Lap 11
15 18 Jean-Eric Vergne STR-Ferrari 70 +1 Lap 8
16 16 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 70 +1 Lap 16
17 22 Jules Bianchi Marussia-Cosworth 69 +2 Laps 21
18 21 Giedo van der Garde Caterham-Renault 69 +2 Laps 20
19 23 Max Chilton Marussia-Cosworth 69 +2 Laps 22
Ret 20 Charles Pic Caterham-Renault 58 Mechanical 18
Ret 17 Valtteri Bottas Williams-Renault 45 Accident 13
Ret 8 Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 2 Engine 6
Note - Perez originally qualified 14th, but received a 5-place grid penalty for an unscheduled gearbox change.

24/11/1952 norbert haug former f1 mercedes team principal
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Result of the Final Qualifying of the F1 season 2013 :

1. Sebastian Vettel - Red Bull Racing - 1:26.479 -
2. Nico Rosberg - Mercedes GP - 1:27.102 + 0.623
3. Fernando Alonso - Ferrari - 1:27.539 + 1.060
4. Mark Webber - Red Bull Racing - 1:27.572 + 1.093
5. Lewis Hamilton - Mercedes GP - 1:27.677 + 1.198
6. Romain Grosjean - Lotus - 1:27.737 + 1.258
7. Daniel Ricciardo - Toro Rosso - 1:28.052 + 1.573
8. Jean-Eric Vergne - Toro Rosso - 1:28.081 + 1.602
9. Felipe Massa - Ferrari - 1:28.109 + 1.630
10. Nico Hulkenberg - Sauber - 1:29.582 + 3.103
Q2
11. Heikki Kovalainen - Lotus - 1:27.456 + 0.977
12. Paul di Resta - Force India - 1:27.798 + 1.319
13. Valtteri Bottas - Williams - 1:27.954 + 1.475
14. Sergio Perez - McLaren - 1:28.269 + 1.790
15. Jenson Button - McLaren - 1:28.308 + 1.829
16. Adrian Sutil - Force India - 1:28.586 + 2.107
17. Pastor Maldonado - Williams - 1:27.367 + 0.888
Q1
18. Esteban Gutierrez - Sauber - 1:27.445 -
19. Charles Pic - Caterham - 1:27.843 + 1.364
20. Giedo van der Garde - Caterham - 1:28.320 + 1.841
21. Jules Bianchi - Marussia F1 Team - 1:28.366 + 1.887
22. Max Chilton - Marussia F1 Team - 1:28.950 + 2.471

Qual : 1:26.479
Pole : Sebastian Vettel
Team Bat : Fernando Alonso > Felipe Massa
Grid Pos. Nico Rosberg : 2nd place

Vettel flies to pole in wet qualifying :
Even an Interlagos downpour could not stop Sebastian Vettel as the 2013 Formula 1 champion took Brazilian Grand Prix pole by six tenths of a second. The Red Bull driver utterly dominated a Q3 session delayed by 45 minutes due to intense rainfall. Although Romain Grosjean briefly held provisional pole by virtue of taking intermediates before anyone else, Vettel's first lap on that rubber put him 1.1s clear of all his rivals. Nico Rosberg and Fernando Alonso were left to battle for second place, with the Mercedes eventually taking it and trimming Vettel's advantage to 0.623s. Third was still an excellent result for Alonso given Ferrari's recent form, as he held off Mark Webber by 0.063s. Lewis Hamilton was half a second off team-mate Rosberg's pace in fifth, while Grosjean fell back to sixth for Lotus. Toro Rosso starred in the wet and got both cars into Q3. Daniel Ricciardo and Jean-Eric Vergne will share row four, beating Felipe Massa's Ferrari and Nico Hulkenberg's Sauber. Conditions had fluctuated through both Q1 and Q2, with the latter getting ever wetter. That meant early times largely stood, bar Hulkenberg managing to jump into 10th at the expense of Heikki Kovalainen, who missed out by 0.015s. Both Force Indias, both McLarens and Valtteri Bottas's Williams also departed in Q2. Sergio Perez crashed at the right-hander on the exit of the Descida do Lago on his final lap, but still beat McLaren team-mate Jenson Button to 14th. Q1 appeared to be following a similar pattern until a late improvement in track conditions allowed Vergne to escape the drop-zone. That pushed Pastor Maldonado onto the elimination list, along with Esteban Gutierrez, the Caterhams and the Marussias, with Charles Pic beating his backmarker peers by half a second.

Result of the 3rd and Final practice session of the F1 season 2013 :

1. Mark Webber - Red Bull Racing - 1:27.891 -
2. Romain Grosjean - Lotus - 1:28.195 + 0.304
3. Heikki Kovalainen - Lotus - 1:28.595 + 0.704
4. Valtteri Bottas - Williams - 1:28.600 + 0.709
5. Nico Hulkenberg - Sauber - 1:28.830 + 0.939
6. Jean-Eric Vergne - Toro Rosso - 1:28.921 + 1.030
7. Esteban Gutierrez - Sauber - 1:29.215 + 1.324
8. Pastor Maldonado - Williams - 1:29.686 + 1.795
9. Paul di Resta - Force India - 1:29.736 + 1.845
10. Adrian Sutil - Force India - 1:29.913 + 2.022
11. Lewis Hamilton - Mercedes GP - 1:29.980 + 2.089
12. Daniel Ricciardo - Toro Rosso - 1:29.988 + 2.097
13. Jules Bianchi - Marussia F1 Team - 1:30.635 + 2.744
14. Charles Pic - Caterham - 1:30.837 + 2.946
15. Max Chilton - Marussia F1 Team - 1:30.972 + 3.081
16. Giedo van der Garde - Caterham - 1:31.154 + 3.263
17. Sebastian Vettel - Red Bull Racing - 1:31.857 + 3.966
18. Sergio Perez - McLaren * 1:32.731 + 4.840
19. Nico Rosberg - Mercedes GP - no time set -
20. Jenson Button - McLaren - no time set -
21. Felipe Massa - Ferrari - no time set -
22. Fernando Alonso - Ferrari - no time set -

Mark Webber quickest as final practice of the season stays wet :
Mark Webber topped a rain-hit final practice session of 2013, ahead of what looks set to be a wet qualifying session for the Brazilian Grand Prix. The Australian Red Bull driver, in his final Formula 1 race, posted a time of 1m27.891s late in the session, when conditions were slightly less treacherous. Lotus's Romain Grosjean was second quickest, ahead of team-mate Heikki Kovalainen. Valtteri Bottas was fourth quickest in the Williams, followed by Sauber's Nico Hulkenberg. World champion Sebastian Vettel finished down in 17th position, as the Ferraris, McLaren's Jenson Button and Mercedes driver Nico Rosberg did not even set a time. Sauber's Esteban Gutierrez was the only driver to complete a full lap in the first 35 minutes of the session, as the rest of the field returned to the pits after installation rounds. The rain intensified as the session progressed, and the action stopped completely for several minutes before some cars ventured out once more with some 25 minutes remaining. Vettel moved to the top of the timesheets after his first timed lap, nearly 40 minutes into the session. Gutierrez regained first place moments later, before Hamilton lowered the benchmark, becoming the first man to lap in the 1m29s as conditions improved thanks to all the running. Webber was first to go out with the intermediate tyres with 12 minutes to go, as team-mate Vettel climbed out of his car and put an end to his morning. The Australian jumped to the top right away, going over 1.5 seconds quicker than Hamilton. Webber's time meant all drivers put on intermediates for their final runs, but no one managed to beat his lap. Despite the conditions, the session was mostly trouble-free except for a few offs that ended without consequence.

Kind Regards
Shaky - Schumi

FORMULA 1 GRANDE PRÊMIO PETROBRAS DO BRASIL 2013
practice 3 results
1 2 Mark Webber Red Bull Racing-Renault 1:27.891 5
2 8 Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1:28.195 0.304 5
3 7 Heikki Kovalainen Lotus-Renault 1:28.595 0.704 6
4 17 Valtteri Bottas Williams-Renault 1:28.600 0.709 12
5 11 Nico Hulkenberg Sauber-Ferrari 1:28.830 0.939 15
6 18 Jean-Eric Vergne STR-Ferrari 1:28.921 1.030 5
7 12 Esteban Gutierrez Sauber-Ferrari 1:29.215 1.324 21
8 16 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1:29.686 1.795 10
9 14 Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1:29.736 1.845 6
10 15 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1:29.913 2.022 8
11 10 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1:29.980 2.089 8
12 19 Daniel Ricciardo STR-Ferrari 1:29.988 2.097 9
13 22 Jules Bianchi Marussia-Cosworth 1:30.635 2.744 9
14 20 Charles Pic Caterham-Renault 1:30.837 2.946 14
15 23 Max Chilton Marussia-Cosworth 1:30.972 3.081 10
16 21 Giedo van der Garde Caterham-Renault 1:31.154 3.263 14
17 1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing-Renault 1:31.857 3.966 4
18 6 Sergio Perez McLaren-Mercedes 1:32.731 4.840 4
19 9 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 4
20 3 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 2
21 5 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1
22 4 Felipe Massa Ferrari 2