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Hamilton loses Spanish GP pole position:
Lewis Hamilton has lost pole position for the Spanish Grand Prix after stewards deemed he did not have enough fuel onboard.
The Briton stopped on track right after completing the lap that secured him pole position.
Drivers are required to return to the pits and have enough fuel onboard for the FIA to take a sample.
The FIA said the fuel inside the McLaren was insufficient and therefore have sent Hamilton to the back of the grid for tomorrow's race.
The decision means Williams driver Pastor Maldonado will start from pole position.


This was sayd earlier by Martin Withmarsh...the reason :

McLaren team principal Martin Whitmarsh has all but admitted that Lewis Hamilton's pole position for the Spanish Grand Prix hangs in the balance, ahead of a stewards' meeting to discuss the circumstances that forced the British driver to stop on track after his qualifying lap. Hamilton secured McLaren's 150th pole position at the Circuit de Catalunya on Saturday, but shortly after taking the chequered flag he was ordered to stop by the team because of an unidentified problem. Under the rules, drivers are supposed to return to parc ferme under their own power and with a minimum of one-litre of fuel on board to be able to supply a sample to the FIA. It is not acceptable for drivers to stop early simply to save petrol for the sample - because that would give them a competitive advantage as they could run with less fuel, and therefore less weight, during their qualifying lap. Following a directive issued at the 2010 Canadian Grand Prix, after Lewis Hamilton and McLaren were given a reprimand and a $10,000 fine for stopping deliberately on a slowing down lap after qualifying to save fuel, the FIA has made it clear that only genuine technical problems would be acceptable.
FIA race director Charlie Whiting said in a note issued on race morning in Canada: "Any team whose car stops on the slowing down lap after the race will be asked by the stewards to explain why this happened.
"If they are not satisfied that the reasons were beyond the control of the driver or team, and feel that this has been done deliberately to gain a competitive advantage, appropriate action will be taken."
Whitmarsh would not expand on the reasons for Hamilton being told to stop, but said that the FIA had been able to take its sample.
"There was enough fuel to take a fuel sample, but we stopped the car - and we are now talking to the stewards about that," he explained. "There was 1.3-litres of fuel taken out of the car."
Rules state that cars must have one litre of fuel onboard.
"Competitors must ensure that a one litre sample of fuel may be taken from the car at any time during the Event.
"Except in cases of force majeure (accepted as such by the stewards of the meeting), if a sample of fuel is required after a practice session the car concerned must have first been driven back to the pits under its own power."
When asked if he was confident about Hamilton's pole position standing, he said: "I don't know. But I hope so – Lewis did a fantastic job throughout that session and we have all seen how difficult it is at the moment to be consistent, to switch everything on at the right time.
"Lewis and his team did a great job, so it was a massive margin by the situation within F1 at the moment so undoubtedly he deserves to be there."
Whitmarsh refused to be drawn on offering any insight into the reasons behind Hamilton being given the order to stop.
But a suggestion that the problem was in the pits rather than on the car could point to a problem in the pits meaning not enough fuel went into the car ahead of his final run.
"It is a technical problem that happened in the garage that didn't impede the performance of the car in anyway, and we stopped the car when it had 1.3-litres of fuel in the car," said Whitmarsh.
He added: "There was a technical problem that led to that situation. I think it is not for me to decide; but I would believe that to be a force majeure but it is up to the stewards to decide."
Whitmarsh was adamant, however, that Hamilton had enough fuel in the car to be able to complete his in-lap and supply the one litre sample.

Kind Regards
Shaky-Schumi

NEWS!!

Sanctioned Hamilton. It is relegated to the last position

kyke50 wrote:There exists the possibility that Hamilton is sanctioned for leaving his car in half of the circuit.
The case is studied.
Does anybody have more news?

I'm on it !

Kind Regards
Shaky

There exists the possibility that Hamilton is sanctioned for leaving his car in half of the circuit.
The case is studied.
Does anybody have more news?

Here are the times of Qualification of the Gp F1 of Spain 2012 at the Catalunya Circuit :

1. Lewis Hamilton : McLaren : 1:21.707 -
2. Pastor Maldonado : Williams : 1:22.285 + 0.578
3. Fernando Alonso : Ferrari : 1:22.302 + 0.595
4. Romain Grosjean : Lotus : 1:22.424 + 0.717
5. Kimi Räikkönen : Lotus : 1:22.487 + 0.780
6. Sergio Perez : Sauber : 1:22.533 + 0.826
7. Nico Rosberg : Mercedes GP : 1:23.005 + 1.298
8. Sebastian Vettel : Red Bull : no time -
9. Michael Schumacher : Mercedes GP : no time -
10. Kamui Kobayashi : Sauber : no time -

Q2
11. Jenson Button : McLaren : 1:22.944 + 1.237
12. Mark Webber : Red Bull : 1:22.977 + 1.270
13. Paul di Resta : Force India : 1:23.125 + 1.418
14. Nico Hulkenberg : Force India : 1:23.177 + 1.470
15. Jean-Eric Vergne : Toro Rosso 1:23.265 + 1.558
16. Daniel Ricciardo : Toro Rosso : :1:23.442 + 1.735
17. Felipe Massa : Ferrari : 1:23.444 + 1.737

Q1
18. Bruno Senna : Williams : 1:24.981 -
19. Vitaly Petrov : Caterham : 1:25.277 + 3.570
20. Heikki Kovalainen : Caterham : 1:25.507 + 3.800
21. Charles Pic : Marussia F1 Team : 1:26.582 + 4.875
22. Timo Glock : Marussia F1 Team : 1:27.032 + 5.325
23. Pedro de la Rosa : HRT : 1:27.555 + 5.848
24. Narain Karthikeyan : HRT : 1:31.122 + 9.415

Oual :1:21.107
Pole : Lewis Hamilton
Rain : no

Comment of Qualifying :
Lewis Hamilton and McLaren took pole position for the Spanish Grand Prix by a commanding margin over shock front row man Pastor Maldonado's Williams. In a session full of surprises, Hamilton was half a second quicker than Maldonado, who had been rapid in final practice, topped Q2, and then held provisional pole for a while.
Hamilton was the only frontrunner to do two runs in Q3, and his initial benchmark stood until first local hero Fernando Alonso in the much improved Ferrari, then the incredible Maldonado beat him.
But there was still more to come from Hamilton, who produced a 1m21.707s to give McLaren its 150th Formula 1 pole. The Briton then stopped on track on his slowing-down lap. Just behind Maldonado, Alonso held second ahead of Lotus team-mates Romain Grosjean and Kimi Raikkonen, who again proved extremely competitive.
Both Saubers made it into Q3, with Sergio Perez going on to take sixth, but Kamui Kobayashi consigned to 10th as his car expired on the way back to the pits at the end of Q2. Nico Rosberg was seventh after just one early run in Q3, while both Sebastian Vettel (Red Bull) and Rosberg's Mercedes team-mate Michael Schumacher chose to save tyres and not doing any flying laps in Q3, so qualified eighth and ninth.
The presence of the underdogs in the top 10 inevitably meant some big names were squeezed out in Q2, and it was Jenson Button - who had been uncomfortable with the McLaren's handling all day - and Mark Webber who found themselves on the wrong side of the cut-off. The McLaren and Red Bull will share row six, double Catalunya polesitter Webber having been sat in the pits at the end of the session as others improved and pushed him backwards.
It was a bad day for Felipe Massa as well, the Ferrari driver registering his worst grid position so far in this already-disappointing season as he qualified behind the Force Indias and Toro Rossos in 17th. While Maldonado stormed towards the front, his Williams team-mate Bruno Senna pushed too hard in his efforts to keep up - spinning into the gravel at the end of Q1 and ensuring an instant exit.
Vitaly Petrov outqualified Caterham team-mate Heikki Kovalainen for the first time as the back-of-the-grid teams lined up in the usual order. Charles Pic was quicker than fellow Marussia man Timo Glock, and HRT's Narain Karthikeyan will needs stewards' permission to race as apparent mechanical issues left him a long way from the 107 per cent margin.

Kind Regards
Shaky-Schumi

I am much angered by the attitude of some teams.
If the tactics prevail over the sport and the competition, this sport will lose all his interest.
I think that it is already necessary to change the rules.

This is the most f*cked up Q3 i have seen in the last couple of years ...Change that f*cking rule with the tyres !!!!!

And Felipe what the hell are you doing ! Get a grip...and get back on top like your team mate !!!!

One positif thing do ....Fantastic Maldonado quali today !!!!!!!!!

Regards
Shaky

If this tire tactics is the future in Q3 and it has success tomorrow I will prefer to change the rules !
I want to watch fast cars in TV - otherwise I can look out of the window !
Such a Bullshit-Quali ! Racer Hamilton please go for victory and give Red Bull and Co a kick in the arse !!!

This is how the top 10 finished today and should look on the grid tomorrow, unless theres any changes

Pole: Hamilton 1:21.707

2: Maldonado 1:22.285

3: Alonso 1:22.302

4: Grosjean 1:22.424

5: Raikkonen 1:22.487

6: Perez 1:22.533

7: Rosberg 1:23.005

8: Vettel (No Time)

9: Schumacher (No Time)

10: Kobayashi (No Time)

Jenson Button is the main loser

Pastor Maldonado - the hero of the day!

Lewis Hamilton is the winner and the main contender for tomorrow's victory!

There is still a tricky Fernando Alonso!

Sebastian Vettel - I do not understand!

Here are the times of the 3rd session that just ended a 1 hour ago :

1. Sebastian Vettel : Red Bull : 1:23.168 - laps 13
2. Pastor Maldonado : Williams : 1:23.336 + 0.168 laps 19
3. Kamui Kobayashi : Sauber : 1:23.350 + 0.182 laps 19
4. Mark Webber : Red Bull : 1:23.578 + 0.410 laps 16
5. Sergio Perez : Sauber : 1:23.742 + 0.574 laps 22
6. Fernando Alonso : Ferrari : 1:23.807 + 0.639 laps 15
7. Jean-Eric Vergne : Toro Rosso : 1:23.833 + 0.665 laps 14
8. Jenson Button : McLaren : 1:23.909 + 0.741 laps 13
9. Kimi Räikkönen : Lotus : 1:23.936 + 0.768 laps 16
10. Nico Rosberg : Mercedes GP : 1:24.070 + 0.902 laps 24
11. Felipe Massa : Ferrari : 1:24.179 + 1.011 laps 16
12. Nico Hulkenberg : Force India : 1:24.323 + 1.155 laps 17
13. Daniel Ricciardo : Toro Rosso : 1:24.331 + 1.163 laps 15
14. Bruno Senna : Williams : 1:24.409 + 1.241 laps 18
15. Paul di Resta : Force India : 1:24.599 + 1.431 laps 15
16. Lewis Hamilton : McLaren : 1:24.778 + 1.610 laps 15
17. Michael Schumacher : Mercedes GP : 1:24.825 + 1.657 laps 17
18. Vitaly Petrov : Caterham : 1:25.911 + 2.743 laps 20
19. Heikki Kovalainen : Caterham 1:26.587 + 3.419 laps 20
20. Charles Pic : Marussia F1 Team : 1:27.469 + 4.301 laps 18
21. Timo Glock : Marussia F1 Team : 1:27.689 + 4.521 laps 16
22. Narain Karthikeyan : HRT : 1:28.207 + 5.039 laps 24
23. Pedro de la Rosa : HRT : 1:28.373 + 5.205 laps 13
24. Romain Grosjean : Lotus : no time - laps 2

Comment of 3rd session :

Sebastian Vettel denied Pastor Maldonado a shock timesheet-topping performance in the final seconds of the third practice session for the Spanish Grand Prix at Barcelona. Most of the hour had seen a variety of surprise underdog names taking turns on top, before reigning champions Vettel and Red Bull re-established the expecting order with the German's final lap. It was Sauber's Sergio Perez who led the way for most of the morning, setting the quickest time of the first half hour on the harder tyres, then being swiftly usurped by first Nico Rosberg, then Jean-Eric Vergne as the Mercedes and Toro Rosso tried softs. Once Perez was on softs too, he was swiftly back in front, lapping in 1m23.742s.
That held until the final two minutes, when his team-mate Kamui Kobayashi jumped to the top, followed by Red Bull's Mark Webber. But before this pair could get to the pits, they were being usurped as Maldonado came through to put his Williams on top with a 1m23.336s. The Venezuelan would not stay there, as with seconds left on the clock, Vettel edged him out by 0.168 seconds.
Maldonado, Kobayashi, Webber and Perez found themselves pushed back to second through fifth places, ahead of Ferrari's Fernando Alonso, Vergne, and fastest McLaren driver Jenson Button. The sister McLaren of Lewis Hamilton looked poised to grab first place on the Briton's soft tyre run, only to encounter heavy traffic in the middle of the chicane, leaving Hamilton an unrepresentative 16th. Romain Grosjean did not complete any flying laps after a fuel pressure issue stranded his Lotus at Turn 10 early on, while Timo Glock was the other man to park trackside following an apparent issue at the final chicane in the closing minutes. The German stopped his Marussia just past the pit exit.

Kind Regards
Shaky

At 14.00u CET will be the qualification !

And the times ofthe 2nd session :

1. Jenson Button : McLaren : 1m23.399 laps 38
2. Sebastian Vettel : Red Bull : 1m23.563s + 0.164 laps 38
3. Nico Rosberg : Mercedes : 1m23.771s + 0.372 laps 41
4. Lewis Hamilton : McLaren : 1m23.909s + 0.510 laps 32
5. Kimi Raikkonen : Lotus : 1m23.918s + 0.519 laps 32
6. Romain Grosjean : Lotus : 1m23.964s + 0.565 laps 37
7. Mark Webber : Red Bull : 1m24.065s + 0.666 laps 34
8. Michael Schumacher : Mercedes : 1m24.080s + 0.681 laps 36
9. Kamui Kobayashi : Sauber : 1m24.214s + 0.815 laps 41
10. Nico Hulkenberg : Force India : 1m24.365s + 0.966 laps 22
11. Felipe Massa : Ferrari : 1m24.418s + 1.019 laps 35
12. Sergio Perez : Sauber : 1m24.422s + 1.023 laps 32
13. Pastor Maldonado : Williams : 1m24.468s + 1.069 laps 40
14. Fernando Alonso : Ferrari : 1m24.600s + 1.201 laps 33
15. Paul di Resta : Force India : 1m24.688s + 1.289 laps 30
16. Jean-Eric Vergne : Toro Rosso : 1m24.733s + 1.334 laps 34
17. Daniel Ricciardo : Toro Rosso : 1m24.769s + 1.370 laps 37
18. Bruno Senna : Williams : 1m25.047s + 1.648 laps 42
19. Heikki Kovalainen : Caterham : 1m26.296s + 2.897 laps 36
20. Vitaly Petrov : Caterham : 1m26.740s + 3.341 laps 35
21. Timo Glock : Marussia : 1m27.314s + 3.915 laps 27
22. Charles Pic : Marussia : 1m27.664s + 4.265 laps 30
23. Pedro de la Rosa : HRT : 1m28.235s + 4.836 laps 26
24. Narain Karthikeyan : HRT : no time : laps 2

Comment 2nd session :

Jenson Button overcame understeer issues with his McLaren to post the quickest time of the day in second practice for the Spanish Grand Prix. The McLaren driver used Pirelli's soft tyres to set a best time of 1m23.399s - enough to beat world champion Sebastian Vettel's Red Bull by 0.164 seconds. Nico Rosberg put Mercedes in third position, with Button's team-mate Lewis Hamilton in fourth and Lotus's Kimi Raikkonen completing the top five, albeit over half a second off the pace. Raikkonen's team-mate Romain Grosjean was sixth ahead of Mark Webber in the second Red Bull, with Michael Schumacher, Kamui Kobayashi and Nico Hulkenberg completing the top 10. This morning's pacesetter Fernando Alonso had to settle for 14th position in the Ferrari. With the track temperatures rising to 43 degrees Celsius, Sergio Perez was the early pacesetter for Sauber with a lap of 1m25.532s, but the Mexican was demoted around eight minutes into the session, when Vettel stopped the clock at 1m25.000s. Schumacher was the first man to lap in the 1m24s in the afternoon session just moments later, the German jumping to the top with a 1m24.859s, still some four tenths of a second off Alonso's best from the morning. The Spaniard returned to first position at the 18-minute mark with a lap that was still around three tenths off his best, but 0.120s faster than Schumacher. Jean-Eric Vergne relegated the local hero to second three minutes later with a fastest lap just 0.006s better than Alonso's. A few minutes later, Vettel flew to the top of the times in his first run on Pirelli's softs, the world champion's 1m23.563s the best time of the weekend until that point. Sauber's Kobayashi moved into second position, albeit over six tenths off Vettel's best, by also running with the softer compound. Hamilton first and Webber later also completed runs on the soft tyres to move to second and third behind Vettel. With 35 minutes gone it was Button's turn to go out with softs, and the Briton made good use of them to spring to the top of the times with a 1m23.399 despite having complained of severe understeer earlier on.
Alonso went out on softs with some 41 minutes to go, but the Spaniard aborted his first flying lap after a first split that was slower than his rivals. He completed the lap in the next attempt, but was only 13th quickest.
Webber was the protagonist of the first incident of the session when he went off the track at Turn 4, the Australian leaving a lot of stones on the circuit as he made his way back to the asphalt. Webber's move was mirrored by Perez later on, the Sauber driver also having a trip across the gravel at the same corner. As teams worked on longer runs, the times at the top stayed mostly unchanged for the last 30 minutes of the session. HRT's Narain Karthikeyan, whose car was driven by Dani Clos in the opening session, failed to set a time in the afternoon, the Indian stopping on track with a problem. He had spent nearly an hour in the garage waiting for his mechanics to solve an electrical issue.

Tomorrow ( saturday ) at 11.00u CET wil be the 3rd session ,followed at 14.00u with the qualifying !

Kind Regards
Shaky-Schumi

Sorry for the delay ....here are the times of the 1st practice session :

1. Fernando Alonso :Ferrari 1:24.430 - laps 20
2. Sebastian Vettel : Red Bull Racing : 1:24.808 + 0.378 laps 18
3. Kamui Kobayashi : Sauber : 1:24.912 + 0.482 laps 28
4. Jenson Button : McLaren : 1:24.996 + 0.566 laps 24
5. Valtteri Bottas : Williams : 1:25.120 + 0.690 laps 24
6. Michael Schumacher : Mercedes GP : 1:25.187 + 0.757 laps 15
7. Romain Grosjean : Lotus : 1:25.217 + 0.787 laps 16
8. Lewis Hamilton : McLaren : 1:25.252 + 0.822 laps 20
9. Kimi Räikkönen : Lotus : 1:25.285 + 0.855 laps 29
10. Nico Hulkenberg : Force India : 1:25.339 + 0.909 laps 24
11. Jean-Eric Vergne : Toro Rosso : 1:25.367 + 0.937 laps 22
12. Felipe Massa : Ferrari : 1:25.433 + 1.003 laps 21
13. Mark Webber : Red Bull Racing : 1:25.539 + 1.109 laps 23
14. Nico Rosberg : Mercedes GP : 1:25.607 + 1.177 laps 20
15. Sergio Perez : Sauber : 1:25.918 + 1.488 laps 19
16. Daniel Ricciardo : Toro Rosso : 1:26.226 + 1.796 laps 24
17. Pastor Maldonado : Williams : 1:26.297 + 1.867 laps 18
18. Jules Bianchi : Force India : 1:26.630 + 2.200 laps 21
19. Vitaly Petrov : Caterham : 1:27.475 + 3.045 laps 20
20. Timo Glock : Marussia F1 Team : 1:28.267 + 3.837 laps 21
21. Alexander Rossi : Caterham : 1:28.448 + 4.018 laps 25
22. Charles Pic : Marussia F1 Team : 1:28.633 + 4.203 laps 22
23. Pedro de la Rosa : HRT: 1:29.107 + 4.677 laps 19
24. Dani Clos : HRT : 1:31.618 + 7.188 laps 19

Comment of the 1st session :

Fernando Alonso gave the upgraded Ferrari an encouraging grand prix weekend debut as he went fastest in the first Friday practice session at Barcelona.

Although the home favourite did not go for a flying lap until over an hour into the morning, Alonso was immediately quick when he finished his data-gathering runs - knocking Sebastian Vettel's Red Bull off the top spot with a 1m24.754s lap 21 minutes from the end of the session. Alonso then improved again on his next run and lapped in 1m24.430s, giving him a 0.378-second cushion over Vettel, who remained second to the finish. Before Alonso started setting the pace, Vettel had enjoyed a 15-minute spell at the head of the order, having usurped long-time first-place man Kamui Kobayashi. The Sauber stayed near the front, though, holding third place at the end of the session. McLaren's practice activities included evaluating its new nose and checking sight lines with a bar across the top of the chassis. Jenson Button was fourth quickest, with team-mate Lewis Hamilton eighth. Williams test driver Valtteri Bottas spent a while in second before ending up fifth in Bruno Senna's regular car. Michael Schumacher and Romain Grosjean were next up in the best Mercedes and Lotus respectively, with the latter's team-mate Kimi Raikkonen and Force India's Nico Hulkenberg completing the top 10 behind Hamilton. Bottas was one of four reserve drivers in action during the morning. Jules Bianchi was 18th in Paul di Resta's Force India, and there were debuts for Caterham's Alexander Rossi and HRT's Dani Clos, who were 21st and 24th respectively. Clos' car developed a problem near the end but he was able to crawl back into the pitlane before coming to a halt at the end of the pit entry.

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Shaky-Schumi

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