Formula 1 General Chat & Discussion

Aldo that the Formula 1 season has come to a end i try to keep this topic alive during the silend months ,ofcourse everyone els can still contribute here also if it has to do with Formula 1 during these months . As soon when the official list of the drivers is complete i will post it here ..it will be halfway / end December because there are still some seats to fill in at some Teams and also the race calender is not definite !

One more thing …the F1 season is over now but next weekend there is one more event in Motorsport ..and I can advice you all too watch it ….it’s the “ ROC “ ..or fullout sayd “ Race Of Champions “ ,this will be on saturday the 3rd of december and sunday 4th december ,check your tvprograms for the broadcast …I think that" Eurosport " or " Motorsport tv" will be one of them ….in this event you will see Champions from different kind of motorsports racing in a Arena ( Dusseldorf Esprit Arena,Germany ),in a real relaxed atmosphere with ofcourse a figthing spirit on the track ,but of the track they are all friends !!! Here is the link with all the info about this event …Enjoy : [hidden link - please register] . Who can beat the Champion from last year Filipe Albuquerque? Will Team Germany win again this year ( Vettel + Schumacher) or is it another country who will win ?

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Shaky-Schumi

Here are the Final results of the Final race of the formula season 2011 at the Sao Paulo circuit in Brasil :

1. Mark Webber : Red Bull Racing : 1:15.324 71
2. Sebastian Vettel : Red Bull Racing : + 16.983
3. Jenson Button : McLaren : + 27.638
4. Fernando Alonso : Ferrari : + 35.048
5. Felipe Massa : Ferrari : + 1:06.733
6. Adrian Sutil : Force India : + 1 lap
7. Nico Rosberg : Mercedes GP : + 1 lap
8. Paul di Resta : Force India : + 1 lap
9. Kamui Kobayashi : Sauber : + 1 lap
10. Vitaly Petrov : Lotus Renault : + 1 lap
11. Jaime Alguersuari : Toro Rosso : + 1 lap
12. Sébastien Buemi : Toro Rosso : + 1 lap
13. Sergio Perez : Sauber : + 1 lap
14. Rubens Barrichello : Williams : + 1 lap
15. Michael Schumacher : Mercedes GP : + 1 lap
16. Heikki Kovalainen : Team Lotus : + 2 laps
17. Bruno Senna : Lotus Renault : + 2 laps
18. Jarno Trulli : Team Lotus : + 2 laps
19. Jerome D'Ambrosio : Virgin Racing : + 3 ronden 0:00.000 68
20. Daniel Ricciardo : HRT :+ 3 laps
Did Not Finish :
21. Vitantonio Liuzzi : HRT : not yet known
22. Lewis Hamilton : McLaren : gearbox problem
23. Pastor Maldonado : Williams : spin out
24. Timo Glock : Virgin Racing : loos wheel

Safetycar : no
Fastest Lap : Mark Webber :1:15.324
Pitstops Michael Schumacher : 3

Here are also the Final standings of the Driver from this season 2011 :

1.Sebastian Vettel : 392
2. Jenson Button: 270
3. Mark Webber : 258
4. Fernando Alonso : 257
5. Lewis Hamilton : 227
6. Felipe Massa : 118
7. Nico Rosberg : 89
8. Michael Schumacher : 76
9. Adrian Sutil : 42
10. Vitaly Petrov : 37
11. Nick Heidfeld : 34
12. Kamui Kobayashi : 30
13. Paul di Resta : 27
14. Jaime Alguersuari : 26
15. Sébastien Buemi : 15
16. Sergio Perez : 14
17. Rubens Barrichello : 4
18. Bruno Senna : 2
19. Pastor Maldonado : 1
20. Heikki Kovalainen :0
21. Jerome D'Ambrosio : 0
22. Timo Glock : 0
23. Jarno Trulli : 0
24. Vitantonio Liuzzi : 0
25. Daniel Ricciardo : 0
26. Narain Karthikeyan : 0
27. Pedro de la Rosa : 0
28. Karun Chandhok : 0

And also the Final standings of the Constructors of this seasons 2011 :

1.Red Bull Racing : 650
2. McLaren :497
3. Ferrari : 375
4. Mercedes GP : 165
5. Lotus Renault GP : 73
6. Force India : 69
7. Sauber : 44
8. Toro Rosso : 41
9. Williams : 5
10. Team Lotus : 0
11. Virgin Racing : 0
12. HRT F1 Team : 0

Source : F1Today

Kind Regards
Shaky -Schumi

Here are the results of the last qualification from this seasons F1 :

1. Sebastian Vettel : Red Bull Racing : 1:11.918
2. Mark Webber : Red Bull Racing : 1:12.099 + 0.181
3. Jenson Button : McLaren : 1:12.283 + 0.365
4. Lewis Hamilton : McLaren : 1:12.480 + 0.562
5. Fernando Alonso : Ferrari : 1:12.591 + 0.673
6. Nico Rosberg : Mercedes GP : 1:13.050 + 1.132
7. Felipe Massa : Ferrar :i 1:13.068 + 1.150
8. Adrian Sutil : Force India : 1:13.298 + 1.380
9. Bruno Senna : Lotus Renault : 1:13.761 + 1.843
10. Michael Schumacher : Mercedes GP : no time set -

Q2
11. Paul di Resta : Force India : 1:13.584 -
12. Rubens Barrichello : Williams : 1:13.801 + 1.883
13. Jaime Alguersuari : Toro Rosso : 1:13.804 + 1.886
14. Sébastien Buemi : Toro Rosso : 1:13.919 + 2.001
15. Vitaly Petrov : Lotus Renault : 1:14.053 + 2.135
16. Kamui Kobayashi : Sauber : 1:14.129 + 2.211
17. Sergio Perez : Sauber : 1:14.182 + 2.264

Q1
18. Pastor Maldonado : Williams : 1:14.625 + 2.707
19. Heikki Kovalainen : Team Lotus : 1:15.068 + 3.150
20. Jarno Trulli : Team Lotus : 1:15.358 + 3.440
21. Vitantonio Liuzzi : HRT : 1:16.631 + 4.713
22. Daniel Ricciardo : HRT : 1:16.890 + 4.972
23. Jerome D'Ambrosio : Virgin Racing : 1:17.019 + 5.101
24. Timo Glock : Virgin Racing : 1:17.060 + 5.142


So these are the final qualification positions of the drivers ,let's see how it turns out tomorrow durring the race ...will it be again Vettel who tkes the win ?...can McLaren catch the Red Bulls with the start ?.....how about the Ferrari's ?..can they over a surprice ? ..and what about the rest of the pack ? ...we will see this all tomorrow at 17.00u at the final race of the season ...and not to forget ...there can be rain ...so let us hope that this last race is a well diserved race too watch

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Shaky-Schumi

Sorry for the delay , here are the times from the 3rd and final free practice session of this season :

1. Sebastian Vettel : 1:12.460
2. Jenson Button : 1:12.547 + 0.087
3. Mark Webber : 1:12.597 + 0.137
4. Lewis Hamilton : 1:12.622 + 0.162
5. Fernando Alonso:1:12.765 + 0.305
6. Adrian Sutil : 1:13.113 + 0.653
7. Nico Rosberg : 1:13.286 + 0.826
8. Michael Schumacher : 1:13.393 + 0.933
9. Paul di Resta : 1:13.419 + 0.959
10. Felipe Massa : 1:13.583 + 1.123
11. Vitaly Petrov : 1:13.838 + 1.378
12. Rubens Barrichello : 1:14.283 + 1.823
13. Jaime Alguersuari :1:14.286 + 1.826
14. Kamui Kobayashi : 1:14.311 + 1.851
15. Pastor Maldonado : 1:14.454 + 1.994
16. Sergio Perez : 1:14.547 + 2.087
17. Bruno Senna : 1:14.551 + 2.091
18. Jarno Trulli : 1:15.843 + 3.383
19. Heikki Kovalainen : 1:16.026 + 3.566
20. Jerome D'Ambrosio : 1:16.616 + 4.156
21. Vitantonio Liuzzi : 1:17.143 + 4.683
22. Daniel Ricciardo : 1:17.296 + 4.836
23. Timo Glock : 1:17.984 + 5.524
24. Sébastien Buemi : no time set *

* = Hydrolic problem

In 5 minutes will start the last Qualification of this seasons F1

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Shaky-Schumi

These are the times of the 2nd practice session :

1. Lewis Hamilton : 1:13.392
2. Sebastian Vettel : 1:13.559 + 0.167
3. Mark Webber : 1:13.587 + 0.195
4. Fernando Alonso: 1:13.598 + 0.206
5. Michael Schumacher : 1:13.723 + 0.331
6. Felipe Massa :1:13.750 + 0.358
7. Jenson Button: 1:13.787 + 0.395
8. Nico Rosberg : 1:13.872 + 0.480
9. Adrian Sutil : 1:14.144 + 0.752
10. Paul di Resta :1:14.807 + 1.415
11. Vitaly Petrov :1:14.856 + 1.464
12. Bruno Senna : 1:14.931 + 1.539
13. Sergio Perez : 1:14.970 + 1.578
14. Kamui Kobayashi : 1:15.019 + 1.627
15. Sébastien Buemi : 1:15.264 + 1.872
16. Jaime Alguersuari : 1:15.388 + 1.996
17. Pastor Maldonado :1:15.679 + 2.287
18. Rubens Barrichello : 1:15.903 + 2.511
19. Jarno Trulli : 1:16.298 + 2.906
20. Heikki Kovalainen : 1:16.338 + 2.946
21. Jerome D'Ambrosio : 1:18.031 + 4.639
22. Timo Glock : 1:18.051 + 4.659
23. Daniel Ricciardo : 1:18.367 + 4.975
24. Vitantonio Liuzzi : 1:18.476 + 5.084

Tomorrow at 14.00u will be the 3rd and final free practice session of this season Formula 1 ,followed at 17.00u the qualification

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Shaky-Schumi

Here are the times of the 1st free practice session :

1. Mark Webber : Red Bull Racing : 1:13.811
2. Jenson Button : McLaren : 1:13.825 + 0.014
3. Lewis Hamilton : McLaren : 1:13.961 + 0.150
4. Sebastian Vettel : Red Bull Racing : 1:14.025 + 0.214
5. Felipe Massa : Ferrari : 1:14.507 + 0.696
6. Fernando Alonso : Ferrari : 1:14.541 + 0.730
7. Michael Schumacher : Mercedes GP : 1:15.162 + 1.351
8. Nico Hulkenberg : Force India : 1:15.178 + 1.367
9. Paul di Resta : Force India : 1:15.241 + 1.430
10. Nico Rosberg : Mercedes GP : 1:15.321 + 1.510
11. Jaime Alguersuari : Toro Rosso : 1:15.468 + 1.657
12. Romain Grosjean : Lotus Renault : 1:15.547 + 1.736
13. Rubens Barrichello : Williams : 1:15.663 + 1.852
14. Bruno Senna : Lotus Renault : 1:15.732 + 1.921
15. Kamui Kobayashi : Sauber : 1:15.747 + 1.936
16. Pastor Maldonado : Williams : 1:15.836 + 2.025
17. Sergio Perez : Sauber : 1:15.979 + 2.168
18. Jean-Eric Vergne : Toro Rosso : 1:16.052 + 2.241
19. Heikki Kovalainen Team Lotus 1:16.514 + 2.703
20. Luiz Razia : Team Lotus : 1:17.595 + 3.784
21. Timo Glock : Virgin Racing : 1:18.140 + 4.329
22. Jerome D'Ambrosio : Virgin Racing : 1:18.653 + 4.842
23. Daniel Ricciardo : HRT : 1:18.952 + 5.141
24. Jan Charouz : HRT : 1:19.577 + 5.766

There was a engine problem with the car of Alonso !
There was a gearbox problem on the car of Grosjean !

The 2nd session will have the main drivers in it ,this means that Vitaly Petrov will be back in his car ,as so will be Sutil instead of Hulkenberg,Alguersuari instead of Vergne ,Trulli instead of Razia and also Liuzzi instead of Charouz !

The 2nd session will be at 17.00u ,also " live " to watch at the german station/sender Sport1 ( DSF) and at the link of my previous post !

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Shaky-Schumi

Here is a " Link " for the " live " practice sessions = with english commentary

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Shaky-Schumi

1st some short news :

Robert Kubica will not return to F1 in time for the start of the 2012 season, Renault has confirmed this on the 23rd of november 2011.
A statement issued by the team said: “Robert Kubica has today informed Lotus Renault GP that, despite having started an intensive training programme, it is still too early for him to commit to driving in the 2012 championship.

“Robert’s progress remains impressive – he can now walk freely, and move his hand and elbow -, but he feels that he needs more time to return to full fitness.

“Lotus Renault GP remains committed to helping Robert as much as possible in his recovery process. A test car is ready and waiting for him, and a dedicated crew is on stand-by. Of course, Robert will remain a member of the LRGP family in 2012 and he is already, through his management, holding talks about renewing his contract for the following season.

“Although very disappointed by the news, Lotus Renault GP will start assessing its options and will evaluate the most suitable candidate to drive from the first 2012 winter testing session. Once again, all the members of Lotus Renault GP wish Robert a full and speedy recovery as we say: ‘Szybkiego powrotu do zdrowia’ – Get well soon our friend.”

Kubica said: “Even if I’ve been working very, very hard over the course of the last few weeks, I came to the conclusion that I am not yet certain to be ready for the 2012 season. I have called the team and I have informed them of the situation."
“This was a difficult decision to make, but it is the most reasonable one. I also know that LRGP need to prepare for next year, and further extending deadlines would not have been the right thing to do."

In the meantime, the Team will start talking to a few drivers in order to finalise the line-up for next year as soon as possible. Robert will take it step by step and will jump back in his racing car when he feels it is the right moment to do so.

Luiz Razia will be driving the 1st free practice session on friday for Team Lotus. The 22-year old Brazilian, who also drove for the Team last week at the young-driver test at Abu Dhabi will now drive the car of Jarno Trulli . Razia allready did a free practice session earlyer this year on friday at the circuit of Shanghai.

For Felipe Massa will be the Brazilian Gp something special ,not because the Autodromo Jose Carlos Pace will be his home Gp ,but because it will be his 100st race start with a Ferrari !!!!
Massa " Hope that next year i can do much better than this season "
Ferrari warns Massa " He has to proof himself in 2012 "
Massa recommends/advices Rubens Barrichello (40 year) to announce his retirement. Ferrari -driver Massa thinks it would be better for Rubens to announce his retirement from Formula 1.

Who will become the Team mate of Pedro De la Rosa next season at HRT ? : Vitantonio Liuzzi, Dani Clos, Daniel Ricciardo or Jean-Eric Vergne.Also on the shortlist for HRT :Giedo van der Garde (Netherlands ) and Adrian Sutil ( German)

Martin Tomczyk and BMW have confirmd that they have come to agreement for next years DTM-seizoen 2012, so Tomczyck has left Audi and has now a contract signed with BMW !

And now the main reason of this post :

This weekend will be the last race of the Formula 1 season 2011 at the Interlagos cirtcuit of Brasil ,so for the last time are here the times for this weekends F1 :

Friday 25th november 2011

Free practice 1 1: 13u00-14u30
Free practice 2: 17u00-18u30

Saturday 26th november 2011

Free practice 3: 14u00-15u00
Qualuification: 17u00-18u00

Sunday 27th november 2011

Race: 17u00

The 1st and 2nd practice can be watched " Live" at the German tv sender/station Sport1 ( DSF)

Kind Regards
Shaky-Schumi


Off Topic : as i started the F1 season with taken a vacation day for watching the 1st practice sessions on friday,i do this also for the last practice session this friday

24/11/1952 happy birthday to norbert haug vice-president of mercedes
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the podium of the last three Brazil GP(Interlagos – circuit Carlos Pace)

2010
1. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull- Renault
2. Mark Webber Red Bull- Renault
3 Fernando Alonso Ferrari
fastest lap on race: Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes

2009
1 Mark Webber Red Bull- Renault
2. Robert Kubica BMW-Sauber
3. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes
fastest lap on race: Mark Webber Red Bull- Renault

2008 (last race of the season)
1 Felipe Massa Ferrari
2. Fernando Alonso Renault
3. Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari
4. Sebastian Vettel (3 years ago driving a Toro Rosso)
5. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes (world champion after an incredible finish)
fastest lap on race: Felipe Massa Ferrari

will be the 39° edition of Brazil GP (in 1972 was held a race does not valid for the F1 championship)
Until now 28 editions at Interlagos(this year will be 29) and 10 editions at Jacarepagua (last time was in 1989)
The Interlagos circuit is one of the most challenging and exciting circuits on the F1 calendar. The circuit consists of a blend of high and slow speed corners, with gradient changes. The surface is irregular and full of bumps. The circuit runs anti-clockwise, so races are particularly hard for the drivers, also due to heat and humidity. At the beginning of the lap, the cars approach the “S do Senna”in downhill. Other famous corners are: Curva do Sol, Subida do Lago, and the Ferradura. Probably one of the most difficult curve on the circuit. Then in the mid-section we find a few slow corners and and a tight hairpin, while in the final sector there are three left corners: Junção, Subida do Boxes, followed by Arquibancada, a long and very fast curve. Finally a good track. Unforgettable was the Brazilian Grand Prix of 1991. Ayrton Senna battles through mechanical trouble(in the last laps he had only the sixth gear) and rain to take an emotional win in front of him home crowd. Look at the video of the last lap with the comment in the Brazilian language. When Ayrton passed under the checkered flag, as usual, begins the music "tema da vitoria" and you can hear his screams of joy; finally, for the first time, wins the home Grand Prix. An entire Nation celebrated his hero. Another memorable edition was that of 2008(last GP of the season). Massa wins the race and believed to be world champion, but a few corners before the finish, Hamilton overtakes Timo Glock, arrives in fifth place and becomes the new world champion for only one point in the standings. Last lap: Hamilton 1 min 29 sec (hard wet tyre) last lap Glock 1 min 48 sec (dry soft tyre). Chaotic and unusual was the edition of 2003, after a wet race full of surprises. When the GP was stopped in the first instance was given the victory to Raikkonen by a mistake. A few days after the FIA noticed the error and gave the victory to Fisichella.
The medium(white) and the soft(yellow) tyre will be used as “prime” and “option” respectively.
FIA decided single DRS zone for Brazilian Grand Prix. After turn three on the back straight.

Brazil GP - the last results :
Result 2010 podium:
1. Sebastian Vettel (Ger / Red Bull)
2. Mark Webber (Aus / Red Bull)
3. Fernando Alonso (Spa / Ferrari)

Winner history:
2009 Mark Webber (Aus / Red Bull)
2008 Felipe Massa (Bra / Ferrari)
2007 Kimi Räkkönen (Fin / Ferrari)
2006 Felipe Massa (Bra / Ferrari)
2005 Juan-Pablo Montoya (Kol / McLaren)
2004 Juan-Pablo Montoya (Kol / McLaren)
2003 Giancarlo Fisichella (Ita / Jordan)
2002 Michael Schumacher (Ger / Ferrari)
2001 David Coulthard (GB / McLaren)
2000 Michael Schumacher (Ger / Ferrari)
1999 Mika Hakkinen (Fin / McLaren)
1998 Mika Hakkinen (Fin / McLaren)
1997 Jacques Villeneuve (Can / Williams)
1996 Damon Hill (GB / Williams)
1995 Michael Schumacher (Ger / Benetton)
1994 Michael Schumacher (Ger / Benetton)
1993 Ayrton Senna (Bra / McLaren)
1992 Nigel Mansell (GB / Williams)
1991 Ayrton Senna (Bra / McLaren)
1990 Alain Prost (Fra / Ferrari)
1989 Nigel Mansell (GB / Ferrari)
1988 Alain Prost (Fra / McLaren)

Spaniard Pedro De la Rosa( 40year ) has signed a 2 season contract at HRT (2012-2013) !

De la Rosa made his debut in 1999 at Arrows. In 2001 & 2002 he drove for Jaguar to become in 2003 a testdriver at McLaren. In 2005 De la Rosa replaced the injured Juan Pablo Montoya for 1 race ,a year later he drove the last 8 races of that season after the Columbian announst that will go driving Nascar . In 2010 he drove for Sauber ,after 14 races he got replaced by Nick Heidfeld ( Quick Nick ) because of the disappointing performance he did . The Spaniard became then test driver for Pirelli, after which he then returnd at the beginning of this year to McLaren as there testdriver. He was from 2003 till 2009 + 2011 the testdriver for the Team of Woking .
Now let's wait and see who will become the second driver of that Team

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Shaky-Schumi

interlagos circuit

Interlagos is an upper class neighborhood located in the city of São Paulo, Brazil. It includes the Autódromo José Carlos Pace race track, home of the Formula One Brazilian Grand Prix. Its name (adapted from Interlaken, Switzerland) comes from the fact that the region is located between two large reservoirs, Guarapiranga and Billings, built in the early 20th century to supply water and electric power to the city. The suburb of Interlagos is located in the south region of São Paulo City to the right edge of the Guarapiranga reservoir.
The Autódromo José Carlos Pace itself is still commonly called Interlagos, although this hasn't been its official name since the 1970s.
The history of the Interlagos circuit dates back to the 1920s, when the city of São Paulo was undergoing a process of fast urbanization.
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Friday 'November 25, 2011
Free Practice 1 13:00 to 14:30
Free Practice 2 17:00 to 18:30
Saturday, November 26, 2011
Free Practice 3 14:00 to 15:00
Qualifications 17:00
Sunday, November 27, 2011
Race 17:00

shaky-schumi wrote:

feels3 wrote:

shaky-schumi wrote:Vitaly Petrov (Russian)

Why you think that he can lose his job? His position in LRGP is safe, especially when we have bad news about Robert Kubica's return.

look what happend with Kimi Raikkonen at Ferrari ...they gave him a a contract for the next season ,but as soon the next season started we saw Alonso in his place (ofcourse there was allready talks about Alonso coming to Ferrari in the silly season moments ) ,Ferrari gave Raikonnen a big paycheck ..and it was by by Kimi ...so this could easely happen with Petrov

You described situation in Ferrari, where they could choose among very good drivers. LRGP hasn't good situation with drivers. For you, who can be on Petrov's seat? Yes, we have 4 candidates (Senna, Kubica, Petrov, Grosjean) and only 2 seats:

- first is reserved for Kubica, but we are not sure about his return (he had next "last operation" 2 weeks ago). Boullier told if he won't be back on the start of 2012 season, he will be replaced by Grosjean.
- second is free (place for paydriver), but Senna has worse results than Petrov.

I'm not fan of Petrov, but I think Boullier hasn't better solution for his team.

feels3 wrote:

shaky-schumi wrote:Vitaly Petrov (Russian)

Why you think that he can lose his job? His position in LRGP is safe, especially when we have bad news about Robert Kubica's return.

Well..euh .. because this is written on many different Formula 1 website's not only today but many times allready...and also because there is no garantee at all in this F1 circus ! You can have allready a contract for the next season/year but this gives you no garantee ..or be safe to drive for them the next time ( read season ) because we all know that nowadays there is only thing that matters ....not the driver skills of the driver ...but the money that he can bring with him ...and Lotus Renault is no exception ! And also the Team ( Eric Boullier )needs somebody that can bring the Team forward ,so the more he screws up,makes too much mistakes ,etc he will be replaced as soon as possible ,and also they allready have drivers enough who wants to join this Team .So safe ??? hmm i say not at all ..also because look what happend with Kimi Raikkonen at Ferrari ...they gave him a a contract for the next season ,but as soon the next season started we saw Alonso in his place (ofcourse there was allready talks about Alonso coming to Ferrari in the silly season moments ) ,Ferrari gave Raikonnen a big paycheck ..and it was by by Kimi ...so this could easely happen with Petrov ...it maybe sounds cruel ...but this is just the truth ...one day you are in F1 ,the next day you are out of F1......it's all about the money...and if you don't have money ( money + some sponsors to back you up or bring sponsors with you ) than it's just over and out ...thanks for everything that you have done for the Team but we have sombody ells ...nice to have had you with us but sorry there is the door and close it behind you please ! That is simple F1 these last couple of years ..like it or not but that's how the truth is at F1 !

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Shaky-Schumi