eUrotic Tv Crises

DSF has paid quite some fines, but still the main point that is missing in the discussion is that etv is licensed in Austria, DSF in Germany and the UK channels in the UK.
So the rules Ofcom implies on the UK channels have no meaning for etv.
What is true in general for all of them is that there are no exact rules. Only some vague formulations that leave plenty of room for interpretation. And the interpretation changes. What was ok in 2006/7 (someone remembers Venis pussy in the morning shows?) is now way out of limit, without the slightest change to the wording of the law ...

jost54 wrote:If you look for example the "Sexy Sportclips" in dsf (now sport1)you can see time after time some licking and stroking girls.

Yes, maybe - but DSF probably hasn't faced a lawsuit for this content so far. The problem is, that once a program attracts the attention of the authorities, all of its degrees of freedom are gone, because they will keep on observing it carefully, and the next complaint might lead to the revocation of the broadcasting license. Hence ETV must be careful not to show content that might be regarded as pornographic by the authorities, which would require encryption (see my post below).

@ arimolac

Thank you for your reply.
Sorry, my Deutsch is so poor I have to use an automatic translator.
If I have understood correctly the extract you mentioned is referred to something broadcasted on 30.10.2008 at about 10:26 in the morning.

This is the point: we are talking about night content.
As I previously said, I can be wrong but I find very strange that

something like this (forbidden in UK) is allowed:

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and something like this (allowed in UK) is forbidden:

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I don't know, but probably if,on 30.10.2008 at about 10:26 in the morning, that diligent bureaucrat of RTR had seen this

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the result would have been even worse.

I don't know, and maybe I'm wrong, but I find this very strange.

Nevertheless I condemn the hypocritical behaviour of the 'Emperors of our poor Europe'.

arimolac wrote:

vappiano68 wrote:why can't we see any more a 'true kissing or licking scene' on ETV ?

I already posted this link some time before, but maybe some members missed it then:

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You really should send your complaints to all the bureaucrats who cooperated in this legal attack, which easily might have killed ETV. Thanks god, ETV survived it.

Hi arimolac,
I have read the decree und to my mind the licking scene you describe has happend in a morning or afternoonshow and not in a nightshow ! The lawsuit concern especially the youth protection, a sacred cow above all in germany. In germany are naked people allowed starting at 23:00 pm. And thats for me the vital point. If you look for example the "Sexy Sportclips" in dsf (now sport1)you can see time after time some licking and stroking girls. So for me this ban is only a decision of etv. Maybe etv don`t want to much interaction of the models, otherwise they forget to speak with the callers.

eigentor wrote:If you read the text carefully, you will notice that it is only about the time from 06.00 to 23.00. During the nightshows there are no measures specified.

There are two sides to this story. One is youth protection, which is valid in Austria from 06:00 to 23:00, and the other one is broadcasting of pornographic content, which requires encryption of the satellite signal, even at times when youth protection isn't applicable anymore. Since ETV is (and probably wants to remain) a free-to-air program, it has to restrict the program even at night:

§ 32 PrTV-G, Abs. 4:
"Im Besonderen bedürfen Fernsehsendungen im Sinne des Abs. 2, die sich
überwiegend auf die unreflektierte Darstellung sexueller Handlungen beschränken, oder die
Sendungsteile beinhalten, die auf die Darstellung derartiger Inhalte reduziert sind, sofern
eine Ausstrahlung nicht bereits nach Abs. 1 untersagt ist, jedenfalls einer Verschlüsselung."

@arimolac

If you read the text carefully, you will notice that it is only about the time from 06.00 to 23.00. During the nightshows there are no measures specified. So it is only a decision of the management and/or the models themselves as to how far they want to go.
But I remember vaguely, it was in 2006 or 2007 from one day to another, when the girls were no longer allowed to kiss each other, which they had done regularly before.

vappiano68 wrote:why can't we see any more a 'true kissing or licking scene' on ETV ?

I already posted this link some time before, but maybe some members missed it then:

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This is the official decree of the Austrian telecommunication authority in the lawsuit against ETV, after which all of this censorship started, which is subject to so many complaints in this forum. It's written in German, but you can always ask Google to translate it. If you read this document, you know that the ETV staff didn't introduce censorship just on a whim. They were forced to do so, or otherwise they would have lost their broadcasting license.

This is one excerpt of this document, which is related to vappiano68's question above - a painfully exact description of a licking scene, done by some very diligent bureaucrat:

"Die in der Mitte tanzende Frau öffnet ihr den Busenhalter, sodass ihre Brüste entblößt
werden. Danach deutet die linke Frau an, die Brust der in der Mitte tanzenden Frau mit der
Zunge zu berühren, und die in der Mitte tanzende beugt sich ebenso Richtung Brust der
linken Frau und streichelt jene mit ihren Händen und deutet ebenso an, diese mit dem Mund
zu berühren."

That's why you don't see any 'true kissing or licking scene' anymore. You sometimes hear an ETV mod say that some request or a part of it is "forbidden" - actually, you will find all of those forbidden things in the lengthy scene descriptions of this document. It's self-evident that ETV avoids any action that has been objected to in this lawsuit.

You really should send your complaints to all the bureaucrats who cooperated in this legal attack, which easily might have killed ETV. Thanks god, ETV survived it.

I just watched the recorded last night show (director Meo?), and I must say: Here camera work was quite good, the best I saw in the last months. The camera stayed a longer time at single actions, and there was some creativity in that show: a long and well shown oil action of Angelina and Spirit, an also well and long shown honey show of beautiful Alexis, and two longer shower shows in which Spirit (together with Calomira) and Alexis washed away the oil and honey rests of their shows before - unfortunately Calomira dressed with a leggins.
Vappiano published some highlights this afternoon in "ETV hot shows". Thank you Vappiano!
If all night shows would be like that, ETV would become much more attractive!

The example typifies of the model which tempts me to look at ETV and I am not the only one, it is SCARLET.
When I see her I say to myself that goes t she to invent today? She realizes the reals « Numeros ». of cabaret with imagination and creativity by using all the elements at her disposal. An example: the fan ; you saw it in the hands of several models, no use, remember you of the fact that SCARLET two different uses in the same night made. Look for the error! I could add a whole list of the other original scenes which really make the difference and which we know all.
Since we saw static models undressing without beginning the slightest dance step, without any place for the imagination neither the creativity, nor surprise.The result is known in advance and with or without pussy after two or three times it is always the same thing and I do not look any more.
When we see a new model completely naked in the three minutes of her first show I repeat that she are burned and that she understood nothing..
The only variable in the undressing it is the way to do it there now at present this moment is totally ignored by models and the desire does not have time to settle down..
ETV ask your models for a minimun of creativity, for a minimun of fancy, to move a little more, in brief to make of little « Numeros ». without forgetting the smile and by showing that they are happy to be there. follow the good examples
and more nobody will speak about crisis.

klemi wrote:Eurotic tv in past or now, it has never been a call centre, it has a status of a tv channel on Astra and on Hotbird, in front of a possible huge number of spectators in many countries. For those who just wanna talk for hours, well there are some different numbers for people having really strange fetishes. I personally never call a model or any channel, in our country I pay some money every month and I get these channels for free. With this I also get the whole redhot package from UK...there you now have one channel already with dildo shows and stuff, like it used to be on INXTC. What I am just trying to say is with giving this money I expect channels to be on top, especially putting in perspective how proffessional etv used to be and how horrible it is now. And those cameras more and more seem to be fixed at some 10-15 second interval, that makes girls really confused.

Hi Klemi

when you say the redhot channels in the UK use dildo,s and stuff, you are incorrect, I was one of the people who complained about them using toys, as they cannot show that directly on UK tv. so not showing anything in a 2 hour show is pretty boring.

has i pay for this i want to know i will see them with there legs spread for the camera, from time to time.

But many thanks for making the UK channels sound better than they are

My personal point of view:

The crisis (if we want to call it crisis) is due to several aspect:

1) Girls who show no attitude in working in a channel like this (I don't mean that a girl has to show her open p**sy, but at least she has to be sexy and teasing!)
You can tell me: they are beautiful girls and they have some fans who call them.
I answer: ok, it could be even true, but their presence is negative for many many reasons:
- they refuse to be present in the nightshow, so there is not a good turnover in the lineup (the wednesday shower show is the greatest demonstration).
- even if they have some caller they have not the ability to attract other viewers in front of the tv.
So, less viewers means less potential customers.
- They give no surprises: you always know what you can expect from them and when you see them.
This is an important point, because a good nightshow or afterhour show (last Lia's one, for example) brings more interest also for her next daily shows, it's very intriguing to see the 'soft' and the 'hot' aspect of the same woman in different moments,....

2) Girls who, for their physical aspect, has nothing to do with a 'sexy channel'.
I don't want to be rude, but someone should understand this fact.
Many viewers can't stand in front of the TV (no potential callers) when they see that the camera switches from a sexy beauty to a woman having nothing to do with 'erotism'.

3) The lazy attitude of some girls.
Please, look at this image (specially to the left...) and you will see what I mean:

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How can you think to attract new viewers and callers in this way ?

4) Unprofessional and 'bastard' direction:

Many of you have surely downloaded my video, the 'Bastard stew' video, in which I posted a scene of a Saturday nightshow (20 mins before the end of the show, Dr. House director).
Angelina and Gia were the only active girls, the other girls had conversation among themselves, but the camera gave much more time to the 'inactive girls' (and also to some decoration of the studio...)
This is incredible!
I'm not an expert of other channels but I downloaded some videos posted in Elite-TV section (thanks to the great videomakers!).
The first thing I noticed is that when 2 girls, for example, start their kiss, the camera is faster tha light in zooming their mouth and their tongues.
What happens in ETV studio nowadays ? The opposite: as soon as the action get hotter, it's the right time to switch away.
It happens too often (nearly always) to think it's a mere coincidence.

So my question: Uk directors have no fear to lose their viewers (and their tiny friend between their legs) in few minutes.
Only our molvanian friends have this theory ???


5) Auto-censorship

This is an eternal subject.
I don't refer to the daily censorship, I refer to what happens during the night.
As far I know Uk channels have a more restricted censorship.
You will never see this:

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but you can see this:

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Now my question:

why can't we see any more a 'true kissing or licking scene' on ETV ?
Only 'fake scenes' ?

I could be wrong but my logic, after having considered what happens on Elite, tell me that it's a choice of the management.
But in this way they lose a lot of appeal towards their viewers.

logic wrote:[quote='Legxpert']

Arimolac is right to say ETV is a call-center, but an EROTIC call-center!

Arimolac is NOT RIGHT if he writes ETV is only a call center. ETV is an EROTIC CHANNEL, perhaps also a call center. But a real call center does not use an expensive TV channel with camera men, operator, DJ and director!
And if it is an erotic channel with all these persons, ETV must do something for that in camera work!
But sometimes I have the impression that this bad camera work is a problem of communication between director and camera team. The camera team does not know (or WILL not know???) which model fulfills a wish of a viewer. Very unprofessional!

Eurotic tv in past or now, it has never been a call centre, it has a status of a tv channel on Astra and on Hotbird, in front of a possible huge number of spectators in many countries. For those who just wanna talk for hours, well there are some different numbers for people having really strange fetishes. I personally never call a model or any channel, in our country I pay some money every month and I get these channels for free. With this I also get the whole redhot package from UK...there you now have one channel already with dildo shows and stuff, like it used to be on INXTC. What I am just trying to say is with giving this money I expect channels to be on top, especially putting in perspective how proffessional etv used to be and how horrible it is now. And those cameras more and more seem to be fixed at some 10-15 second interval, that makes girls really confused.

Sorry to say this, but Arimolac you write a lot of things here that have no sense, and I am being modest here. First thing, to agree totally with Jonas here, is what you write about camera focusing on one show. It is because of ETV messed up camera organisation of shows that is causing such crap stuff going on. Like Jonas said it wasnt always like that. Simply I dont care if someone calls a model and wishing her to ride a baloon, while the other one is just stripping till underwear...So your theory is camera must go to this girl riding a baloon? In the meantime the other girl simply gets dressed back...This is idiotic and this is the way it works right now for them. Jonas also wrote about quality of camerawork between the shows, and he is also right about it 120 %. In goleden times of etv cameras went close to models and were showing girls from "right corners". Today it is not the case. And you guys say how tough is for girls to strip because of the censorship etc., well compared to videos they did on INXTC, they are on vacation here on etv. And they really are not so innocent as you speak, better surf internet a bit more and you will find that some models can easily be rated as bottom class porn stars,...or should I say after watching some Kaleya and Slaveya videos, top class amateur porn stars. And as I said before in another post, we should not blame models for it. Stuff is guilty for everything, believe me. Bellerophone with all greatest respect to you, I must disagree this time with you. You say, we should not talk so much about etv crisis, because here girls decide themselves if they wanna show their bodies or not?!? Isnt that the most ridiculous fact that proves how low etv fell??? Another thing that really annoys me is such inconsistency, one time hot stuff, the next evening I get the feeling this show is for idiots only. Censorship? Bullshit. For me just a pure ludacris strategy from some first time evening director, that finds baloon riding extremely erotic. There has been too much ridiculous scenes recently, but we must also respect the fact, that inside studio on those screens come some strangest wishes that have nothing in common with normal erotic, and that should in daily shows be censored, because they make normal people go sick. And also for the final just one thought from yesterdays show; after Angelinas waxing pussy show you can all stop bullshiting me about censorship. It was on of the hottest shows recently; or maybe should we say that when Angelina shows her pussy is ok, but when Gia tries to freely show her breasts in aftershow, that must be censored??? Crap again. And Jonas at last...Candy indeed another angel gone.

Legxpert wrote:But what is the AWT (average wanking time) and what the ATT (average talking time)? And of both viewers, who you think has a bigger chance of calling again? The one with the opened pants or the gentleman?

I hope for the girls, that they get more calls from gentlemen, instead of guys with opened pants. But if ETV would only have calls from gentlemen who want to talk with the girls, we would get boring shows. Then they can change to a radio-channel as well. And also a wish for a fullstrip can be gentle.
In every show I hear that the moderators say and sometimes also the models "...send us your wishes...", so I still think this should have camera-priority.
Arimolac is right to say ETV is a call-center, but an EROTIC call-center!