Eurotic's website & webstream

robert wrote:

space6969 wrote:To me most of your postings sound a little confused and confusing,

You accuse someone of being confused but you confuse a response to a personal attack with something more general.

I didn't confuse anything, it's a reaction to Mr_Niceguy, who called this thread broad-brush respectless to the models several times here
and in PMs.

robert wrote:

space6969 wrote:The models have all my respect,

You do realise you are supporting someone with a vendetta against several of the models?

I don't support any user, it's a reaction to Mr_Niceguy, who etc etc.

Slowfox wrote:

space6969 wrote:people pay money and with a little luck they get a little something in return.

that is exactly the core point. as long as you pay you have all rights in the world to tell them once you are not happy.

but below is more referríng to those who do not pay but still claim that ETV is obliged to entertain them.

Where are those references, I cant't find 'em.

space6969 wrote:To me most of your postings sound a little confused and confusing,

You accuse someone of being confused but you confuse a response to a personal attack with something more general.

space6969 wrote:The models have all my respect,

You do realise you are supporting someone with a vendetta against several of the models?

space6969 wrote:people pay money and with a little luck they get a little something in return.

that is exactly the core point. as long as you pay you have all rights in the world to tell them once you are not happy.

but below is more referríng to those who do not pay but still claim that ETV is obliged to entertain them. It is even said 'I would never dare to give them a credit, but still want to see a good show'. In all fairness this applies to the FTA shows, as nobody is watching the internet shows.

And all those none paying viewers complain constantly about the quality of the shows and ask for improvement for nothing, But it is still the members support which makes the show run.

Mr_Niceguy wrote:

outside wrote:I have respect for money because I work to get it, you are the one who claimed about too low price for premiums.

It is painfully clear that you don't respect people, so with that in mind this post is clarifying. It is a good thing your job is so demanding it leaves you enough time to harace this forum, it's members, the models and everything else that is not inclined to bow to your every wish. Why don't you withdraw to you're own fantasy world, you know,the one in which you are always right because facts can be bend to your will. On top it seems you have trouble reading, I was talking about discounting premium shows, but as far as I know we were not discussing that here.

Seems like everyone who doesn't want to live in your pink ETV fantasy world is a misanthrope in your eyes.
Welcome to reality: ETV is a business, people pay money and with a little luck they get a little something in return.

If they get nothing in return, or they didn't like what they got, they will write down their dissatisfaction here,
because if you contact ETV in those kind of matters, you either get no or a ridicoulously childish stubborn reaction.

By the way, did you complain to ETV about far too low prices for discounted premium shows and did you ask them how they could put a price on these shows at all ?
What was their answer ?

To me most of your postings sound a little confused and confusing, because it's not clear what your intention is.
More respect for ETV and the models by paying more or by not paying anything ? I don't get get it.
Do what you want to do but don't call everyone who doesn't completely agree with you respectless.

Once again: The company ETV has lost many viewers/customers and their respect because of ETV's oftenly strange business demeanor.
The models have all my respect, even more so, because they work for such a dubious company and in 99 % make the best of this situation.

outside wrote:I have respect for money because I work to get it, you are the one who claimed about too low price for premiums.

It is painfully clear that you don't respect people, so with that in mind this post is clarifying. It is a good thing your job is so demanding it leaves you enough time to harace this forum, it's members, the models and everything else that is not inclined to bow to your every wish. Why don't you withdraw to you're own fantasy world, you know,the one in which you are always right because facts can be bend to your will. On top it seems you have trouble reading, I was talking about discounting premium shows, but as far as I know we were not discussing that here.

Yes outside, once a mighty moderator now a selfproclaimed powerless victim of mobbing, someone with a need to feel important no matter the cost to others. Less then a fly on the wall not even worthy of attention.

lucifer70 wrote:

logic wrote:[quote='lucifer70']I don't think there's any doubt about it. If the web really had so much success, they, in their downsizing strategy, would have already turned off the TV for a long time.

But obviously the web has enough success to keep it.

What I wanted to say is, that the web project seems to be no failure, because ETV keeps it still alive.

lucifer70 wrote:No, the web is useful only to guarantee them a bit of fresh money for show which are broadcast at times when censorship does not allow shows a little "hot".

I remember that ETV told this as reason when they started the liveshow.me project. It failed, but the web now seems to work.

lucifer70 wrote:They've already tried to do nightshows on the web and they have been a failure.

Sorry, I don't know what you're referring to.

lucifer70 wrote:The shows on the web are made only for a small community, without FTA, the web alone is not enough to survive, that's the point.

I agree.

Tarl_Cabot wrote:ahh, the lodge crap.
maybe some didn't realise it yet but with buying some credits you are a member of this lodge. so for sure no closed lodge. ;)

Nobody in need to buy to understand what the regime is all about ..... " The displayed picture "... in their screen reveals everything .

But I wonder ......How much time you took after having paid the credits to ..." Realize "...that their credibility is totally broken ...and whatever you spent it would never change .......The policies and dynamics of that ...." closed circle " .

wolf1 wrote:

lucifer70 wrote:

logic wrote:

lucifer70 wrote:I don't think there's any doubt about it. If the web really had so much success, they, in their downsizing strategy, would have already turned off the TV for a long time.

But obviously the web has enough success to keep it.

No, the web is useful only to guarantee them a bit of fresh money for show which are broadcast at times when censorship does not allow shows a little "hot".
They've already tried to do nightshows on the web and they have been a failure.
The shows on the web are made only for a small community, without FTA, the web alone is not enough to survive, that's the point.

Thats right why should People wasting her Time with the boring Webshows from ETV when they can see so many hot Shows for free in The Web.

Because they like them?

lucifer70 wrote:

logic wrote:

lucifer70 wrote:I don't think there's any doubt about it. If the web really had so much success, they, in their downsizing strategy, would have already turned off the TV for a long time.

But obviously the web has enough success to keep it.

No, the web is useful only to guarantee them a bit of fresh money for show which are broadcast at times when censorship does not allow shows a little "hot".
They've already tried to do nightshows on the web and they have been a failure.
The shows on the web are made only for a small community, without FTA, the web alone is not enough to survive, that's the point.

Thats right why should People wasting her Time with the boring Webshows from ETV when they can see so many hot Shows for free in The Web.

logic wrote:

lucifer70 wrote:I don't think there's any doubt about it. If the web really had so much success, they, in their downsizing strategy, would have already turned off the TV for a long time.

But obviously the web has enough success to keep it.

No, the web is useful only to guarantee them a bit of fresh money for show which are broadcast at times when censorship does not allow shows a little "hot".
They've already tried to do nightshows on the web and they have been a failure.
The shows on the web are made only for a small community, without FTA, the web alone is not enough to survive, that's the point.

lucifer70 wrote:I don't think there's any doubt about it. If the web really had so much success, they, in their downsizing strategy, would have already turned off the TV for a long time.

But obviously the web has enough success to keep it.

HvB wrote:.... when they moved from web to TV in 2004.
Oh, and yes, they did web before TV.
Seems that this is a little known fact ...

just a confirmation of another well known facts, that a history is repeating in the circles because people are always repeating the same mistakes even if they burn the fingers

Mr_Niceguy wrote:It's a damn shame I cannot have a look in your cristal boll outside, I could be a millionaire

Judging by what comes out of it, you'd get the wrong lottery numbers ...

lucifer70 wrote:They selected a group of customers which are willing to finance the show on the web, but this is not enough to cover expenses. Their gain is still tied to their stay in the FTA also because the competition on the web is too strong for them and they haven't the expertise and much less the raw material (models) to compete.

I assume we would have read something very similar, just fliped 180 degrees, when they moved from web to TV in 2004.
Oh, and yes, they did web before TV.
Seems that this is a little known fact ...