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2023 DRIVERS' CHAMPIONSHIP AFTER 11 RACES :

1. Max Verstappen NED Red Bull 255 points
2. Sergio Perez MEX Red Bull 156 points
3. Fernando Alonso ESP Aston Martin 137 points
4. Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes 121 points
5. Carlos Sainz jr. ESP Ferrari 83 points
6. George Russell GBR Mercedes 82 points
7. Charles Leclerc MC Ferrari 74 points
8. Lance Stroll CAN Aston Martin 44 points
9. Lando Norris GBR McLaren 42 points
10. Esteban Ocon FRA Alpine 31 points
11. Oscar Piastri AUS McLaren 17 points
12. Pierre Gasly FRA Alpine 16 points
13. Alexander Albon THA Williams 11 points
14. Nico Hulkenberg GER Haas 9 points
15. Valtteri Bottas FIN Alfa Romeo 5 points
16. Guanyu Zhou CHN Alfa Romeo 4 points
17. Yuki Tsunoda JPN Alpha Tauri & Kevin Magnussen DEN Haas 2 points

2023 CONSTRUCTORS' CHAMPIONSHIP AFTER 11 RACES :

1. Red Bull 411 points
2. Mercedes 203 points
3. Aston Martin 181 points
4. Ferrari 157 points
5. McLaren 59 points
6. Alpine 47 points
7. Haas & Williams 11 points
9. Alfa Romeo 9 points
10. Alpha Tauri 2 points

The result of the Austrian Grand Prix has changed after the Formula 1 stewards handed out a swathe of fresh penalties hours after the conclusion of the race. Max Verstappen won the race on track, even stopping with two laps to go for fresh tyres to set the fastest lap. He finished ahead of Charles Leclerc in second while Sergio Perez piloted the other Red Bull car from 15th on the grid to third. But that was not the end of the matter. Shortly after the conclusion of the race, it was announced that Aston Martin had lodged an official protest. It emerged that the stewards' policing system for track limits violations had been overwhelmed during the race. Half the grid was penalised for repeat offences, but it turned out that there should have been many more such sanctions handed. Aston Martin's protest was upheld and the stewards were tasked with poring over more than 1,200 separate incidents where drivers may have gone outside the white lines during the race. That process took hours, but the final classification has now finally been announced after 83 further lap times were deleted. 12 time penalties were handed out in total, though none of them affected the top three. One of those to get a fresh penalty was Lewis Hamilton, who had 10 seconds added to his race time. That meant he dropped a place in the final standings. His Mercedes team-mate George Russell moves up to seventh place as a result. Pierre Gasly received the only other penalty which affects the points positions. His extra 10 seconds means Lance Stroll leapfrogs him into ninth place and the Alpine man loses a point. Elsewhere, Alex Albon and Logan Sargeant received one new 10 second penalty each while Yuki Tsunoda had five second added to his time. Nyck de Vries was given two post-race penalties for a total of 15 additional seconds. The other four penalties were all given to Esteban Ocon, totally a whopping extra 30 seconds on top of his race time. It will make no difference to the championship, though, as he finished outside the points on track anyway. The FIA released a statement in which it explained the "unprecedented" scenario. And the stewards published a document of their own in which it explained why Aston Martin's protest was upheld. It read: "The protest was lodged against the accuracy of the Provisional Classification. The Stewards first considered if the protest was admissible. The Stewards determined that as it was lodged on time and complied with the requirements of Chapter 13 of the FIA International Sporting Code, it was an admissible protest. "An examination of the list of deleted lap times provided to the Stewards by Race Control, revealed that a number of track limit infringements had not previously been referred to the Stewards for potential penalty. It was determined that some of these infringements warranted a penalty that was not previously applied when the Provisional Classification was published.

2023 Austrian Grand Prix result after penalties applied :

1. Max Verstappen – Red Bull
2. Charles Leclerc – Ferrari
3. Sergio Perez – Red Bull
4. Lando Norris – McLaren
5. Fernando Alonso – Aston Martin
6. Carlos Sainz jr. – Ferrari*
7. George Russell – Mercedes
8. Lewis Hamilton – Mercedes*
9. Lance Stroll – Aston Martin
10. Pierre Gasly – Alpine*
11. Alexander Albon – Williams*
12. Zhou Guanyu – Alfa Romeo
13. Logan Sargeant – Williams*
14. Esteban Ocon – Alpine*
15. Valtteri Bottas – Alfa Romeo
16. Oscar Piastri – McLaren
17. Nyck de Vries – AlphaTauri*
18. Kevin Magnussen – Haas
10. Yuki Tsunoda – AlphaTauri*

DNF: Nico Hulkenberg

*Denotes penalty was given after the race

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2023 DRIVERS' CHAMPIONSHIP AFTER 9 RACES :

1. Max Verstappen NED Red Bull 229 points
2. Sergio Perez MEX Red Bull 148 points
3. Fernando Alonso ESP Aston Martin 129 points
4. Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes 108 points
5. Carlos Sainz jr. ESP Ferrari 86 points
6. Charles Leclerc MC Ferrari 72 points
7. George Russell GBR Mercedes 70 points
8. Lance Stroll CAN Aston Martin 43 points
9. Esteban Ocon FRA Alpine 31 points
10. Lando Norris GBR McLaren 22 points
11. Pierre Gasly FRA Alpine 17 points
12. Nico Hulkenberg GER Haas 9 points
13. Alexander Albon THA Williams 7 points
14. Oscar Piastri AUS McLaren & Valtteri Bottas FIN Alfa Romeo 5 points
16. Guanyu Zhou CHN Alfa Romeo 4 points
17. Yuki Tsunoda JPN Alpha Tauri & Kevin Magnussen DEN Haas 2 points

2023 CONSTRUCTORS' CHAMPIONSHIP AFTER 9 RACES :

1. Red Bull 377 points
2. Mercedes 178 points
3. Aston Martin 172 points
4. Ferrari 158 points
5. Alpine 48 points
6. McLaren 27 points
7. Haas 11 points
8. Alfa Romeo 9 points
9. Williams 7 points
10. Alpha Tauri 2 points

SECOND SPRINT RACE OF 2023 - AUSTRIA :

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2023 DRIVERS' CHAMPIONSHIP AFTER SECOND SPRINT RACE :

1. Max Verstappen NED Red Bull 203 points
2. Sergio Perez MEX Red Bull 133 points
3. Fernando Alonso ESP Aston Martin 121 points
4. Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes 102 points
5. Carlos Sainz jr. ESP Ferrari 74 points
6. George Russell GBR Mercedes 66 points
7. Charles Leclerc MC Ferrari 54 points
8. Lance Stroll CAN Aston Martin 42 points
9. Esteban Ocon FRA Alpine 31 points
10. Pierre Gasly FRA Alpine 15 points
11. Lando Norris GBR McLaren 12 points
12. Nico Hulkenberg GER Haas 9 points
13. Alexander Albon THA Williams 7 points
14. Oscar Piastri AUS McLaren & Valtteri Bottas FIN Alfa Romeo 5 points
16. Guanyu Zhou CHN Alfa Romeo 4 points
17. Yuki Tsunoda JPN Alpha Tauri & Kevin Magnussen DEN Haas 2 points

2023 CONSTRUCTORS' CHAMPIONSHIP AFTER SECOND SPRINT RACE :

1. Red Bull 336 points
2. Mercedes 168 points
3. Aston Martin 163 points
4. Ferrari 128 points
5. Alpine 46 points
6. McLaren 17 points
7. Haas 11 points
8. Alfa Romeo 9 points
9. Williams 7 points
10. Alpha Tauri 2 points

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2023 DRIVERS' CHAMPIONSHIP AFTER 8 RACES :

1. Max Verstappen NED Red Bull 195 points
2. Sergio Perez MEX Red Bull 126 points
3. Fernando Alonso ESP Aston Martin 117 points
4. Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes 102 points
5. Carlos Sainz jr. ESP Ferrari 68 points
6. George Russell GBR Mercedes 65 points
7. Charles Leclerc MC Ferrari 54 points
8. Lance Stroll CAN Aston Martin 37 points
9. Esteban Ocon FRA Alpine 29 points
10. Pierre Gasly FRA Alpine 15 points
11. Lando Norris GBR McLaren 12 points
12. Alexander Albon THA Williams 7 points
13. Nico Hulkenberg GER Haas 6 points
14. Oscar Piastri AUS McLaren & Valtteri Bottas FIN Alfa Romeo 5 points
16. Guanyu Zhou CHN Alfa Romeo 4 points
17. Yuki Tsunoda JPN Alpha Tauri & Kevin Magnussen DEN Haas 2 points

2023 CONSTRUCTORS' CHAMPIONSHIP AFTER 8 RACES :

1. Red Bull 321 points
2. Mercedes 167 points
3. Aston Martin 154 points
4. Ferrari 122 points
5. Alpine 44 points
6. McLaren 17 points
7. Alfa Romeo 9 points
8. Haas 8 points
9. Williams 7 points
10. Alpha Tauri 2 points

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2023 DRIVERS' CHAMPIONSHIP AFTER 7 RACES :

1. Max Verstappen NED Red Bull 170 points
2. Sergio Perez MEX Red Bull 117 points
3. Fernando Alonso ESP Aston Martin 99 points
4. Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes 87 points
5. George Russell GBR Mercedes 65 points
6. Carlos Sainz jr. ESP Ferrari 58 points
7. Charles Leclerc MC Ferrari 42 points
8. Lance Stroll CAN Aston Martin 35 points
9. Esteban Ocon FRA Alpine 25 points
10. Pierre Gasly FRA Alpine 15 points
11. Lando Norris McLaren 12 points
12. Nico Hulkenberg GER Haas 6 points
13. Oscar Piastri AUS McLaren 5 points
14. Valtteri Bottas FIN Alfa Romeo & Guanyu Zhou CHN Alfa Romeo 4 points
16. Yuki Tsunoda JPN Alpha Tauri & Kevin Magnussen DEN Haas 2 points
18. Alexander Albon THA Williams 1 point

2023 CONSTRUCTORS' CHAMPIONSHIP AFTER 7 RACES :

1. Red Bull 287 points
2. Mercedes 152 points
3. Aston Martin 134 points
4. Ferrari 100 points
5. Alpine 40 points
6. McLaren 17 points
7. Haas & Alfa Romeo 8 points
9. Alpha Tauri 3 points
10. Williams 1 point

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2023 DRIVERS' CHAMPIONSHIP AFTER 6 RACES :

1. Max Verstappen NED Red Bull 144 points
2. Sergio Perez MEX Red Bull 105 points
3. Fernando Alonso ESP Aston Martin 93 points
4. Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes 69 points
5. George Russell GBR Mercedes 50 points
6. Carlos Sainz jr. ESP Ferrari 48 points
7. Charles Leclerc MC Ferrari 42 points
8. Lance Stroll CAN Aston Martin 27 points
9. Esteban Ocon FRA Alpine 21 points
10. Pierre Gasly FRA Alpine 14 points
11. Lando Norris McLaren 12 points
12. Nico Hulkenberg GER Haas 6 points
13. Oscar Piastri AUS McLaren 5 points
14. Valtteri Bottas FIN Alfa Romeo 4 points
15. Guanyu Zhou CHN Alfa Romeo, Yuki Tsunoda JPN Alpha Tauri & Kevin Magnussen DEN Haas 2 points
18. Alexander Albon THA Williams 1 point

2023 CONSTRUCTORS' CHAMPIONSHIP AFTER 6 RACES :

1. Red Bull 249 points
2. Aston Martin 120 points
3. Mercedes 119 points
4. Ferrari 90 points
5. Alpine 35 points
6. McLaren 17 points
7. Haas 8 points
8. Alfa Romeo 6 points
9. Alpha Tauri 2 points
10. Williams 1 point

This weekend’s Emilia Romagna Grand Prix has been cancelled after Formula One, the local authorities and the promoter in Imola agreed that it was not safe to proceed because of the risks of flooding caused by severe weather. F1 also was unwilling potentially to add to the burden on the community and emergency services in the region. It is understood the race is highly unlikely to be rescheduled for later in the year. The FIA said in a statement on its website : "Following discussions between Formula 1, the President of the FIA, the competent authorities, including the relevant Ministers, the President of the Automobile Club of Italy, the President of Emilia-Romagna Region, the Mayor of the City and the promoter, the decision has been taken not to proceed with the Grand Prix weekend at Imola. "The decision has been taken because it is not possible to safely hold the event for our fans, the teams and our personnel and it is the right and responsible thing to do given the situation faced by the towns and cities in the region. It would not be right to put further pressure on the local authorities and emergency services at this difficult time". Stefano Domenicali, the head of Formula One, said : "It is such a tragedy to see what has happened to Imola and Emilia-Romagna, the town and region that I grew up in, and my thoughts and prayers are with the victims of the flooding and the families and communities affected. I want to express my gratitude and admiration for the incredible emergency services who are working tirelessly to help those who need help and alleviate the situation, they are heroes and the whole of Italy is proud of them. The decision that has been taken is the right one for everyone in the local communities and the F1 family as we need to ensure safety and not create extra burden for the authorities while they deal with this very awful situation". The decision came after Italy’s deputy prime minister, Matteo Salvini, called for the race to be postponed as the extreme weather conditions hit the region. Salvini, who is also Italy’s transport minister, said in a statement it was "imperative to concentrate all efforts on coping with the emergency", including avoiding a traffic overload in the area, which has been battered by bad weather in recent days. "Let’s dedicate ourselves to relief efforts", he said. That came after Formula One and the authorities in Imola told teams and personnel not to attend the circuit on Wednesday due to the risks of flooding caused by severe weather. The Emilia Romagna region has been placed under a red threat-level warning from the Italian authorities because of persistent heavy rain that threatens to cause flooding and landslides. On Tuesday the F1 paddock at the "Autodromo Internazionale Enzo e Dino Ferrari" was evacuated as a precaution because of the risk of flooding from the adjacent Santerno river, which runs within metres of the paddock and could burst its banks. The Emilia Romagna region has been badly affected by torrential rain which caused extensive flooding, killing two people and forcing hundreds to be evacuated from their homes, earlier this month.

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2023 DRIVERS' CHAMPIONSHIP AFTER 5 RACES :

1. Max Verstappen NED Red Bull 119 points
2. Sergio Perez MEX Red Bull 105 points
3. Fernando Alonso ESP Aston Martin 75 points
4. Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes 56 points
5. Carlos Sainz jr. ESP Ferrari 44 points
6. George Russell GBR Mercedes 40 points
7. Charles Leclerc MC Ferrari 34 points
8. Lance Stroll CAN Aston Martin 27 points
9. Lando Norris GBR McLaren 10 points
10. Pierre Gasly FRA Alpine 8 points
11. Nico Hulkenberg GER Haas & Esteban Ocon FRA Alpine 6 points
13. Valtteri Bottas FIN Alfa Romeo & Oscar Piastri AUS McLaren 4 points
15. Guanyu Zhou CHN Alfa Romeo, Yuki Tsunoda JPN Alpha Tauri & Kevin Magnussen DEN Haas 2 points
18. Alexander Albon THA Williams 1 point

2023 CONSTRUCTORS' CHAMPIONSHIP AFTER 5 RACES :

1. Red Bull 224 points
2. Aston Martin 102 points
3. Mercedes 96 points
4. Ferrari 78 points
5. McLaren & Alpine 14 points
7. Haas 8 points
8. Alfa Romeo 6 points
9. Alpha Tauri 2 points
10. Williams 1 point

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2023 DRIVERS' CHAMPIONSHIP AFTER 4 RACES :

1. Max Verstappen NED Red Bull 93 points
2. Sergio Perez MEX Red Bull 87 points
3. Fernando Alonso SPA Aston Martin 60 points
4. Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes 48 points
5. Carlos Sainz jr. ESP Ferrari 34 points
6. Charles Leclerc MC Ferrari & George Russell GBR Mercedes 28 points
8. Lance Stroll CAN Aston Martin 27 points
9. Lando Norris GBR McLaren 10 points
10. Nico Hulkenberg GER Haas 6 points
11. Valtteri Bottas FIN Alfa Romeo, Oscar Piastri AUS McLaren, Esteban Ocon FRA Alpine & Pierre Gasly FRA Alpine 4 points
15. Guanyu Zhou CHN Alfa Romeo & Yuki Tsunoda JPN Alpha Tauri 2 points
16. Kevin Magnussen DEN Haas & Alexander Albon THA Williams 1 point

2023 CONSTRUCTORS' CHAMPIONSHIP AFTER 4 RACES :

1. Red Bull 180 points
2. Aston Martin 87 points
3. Mercedes 76 points
4. Ferrari 62 points
5. McLaren 14 points
6. Alpine 8 points
7. Haas 7 points
8. Alfa Romeo 6 points
9. Alpha Tauri 2 points
10. Williams 1 point

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2023 DRIVERS' CHAMPIONSHIP AFTER 3 RACES :

1. Max Verstappen NED Red Bull 69 points
2. Sergio Perez MEX Red Bull 54 points
3. Fernando Alonso ESP Aston Martin 45 points
4. Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes 38 points
5. Carlos Sainz jr. ESP Ferrari & Lance Stroll CAN Aston Martin 20 points
7. George Russell GBR Mercedes 18 points
8. Lando Norris McLaren 8 points
9. Charles Leclerc MC Ferrari & Nico Hulkenberg GER Haas 6 points
11. Valtteri Bottas FIN Alfa Romeo, Oscar Piastri AUS McLaren, Esteban Ocon FRA Alpine & Pierre Gasly FRA Alpine 4 points
15. Guanyu Zhou CHN Alf Romeo 2 points
16. Yuki Tsunoda JPN Alpha Tauri, Kevin Magnussen DEN Haas & Alexander Albon THA Williams 1 point

2023 CONSTRUCTORS' CHAMPIONSHIP AFTER 3 RACES :

1. Red Bull 123 points
2. Aston Martin 65 points
3. Mercedes 56 points
4. Ferrari 26 points
5. McLaren 12 points
6. Alpine 8 points
7. Haas 7 points
8. Alfa Romeo 6 points
9. Williams & Alpha Tauri 1 point

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2023 DRIVERS' CHAMPIONSHIP AFTER 2 RACES :

1. Max Verstappen NED Red Bull 44 points
2. Sergio Perez MEX Red Bull 43 points
3. Fernando Alonso ESP Aston Martin 30 points
4. Carlos Sainz jr. ESP Ferrari & Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes 20 points
6. George Russell GBR Mercedes 18 points
7. Lance Stroll CAN Aston Martin 8 points
8. Charles Leclerc MC Ferrari 6 points
9. Valtteri Bottas FIN Alfa Romeo, Esteban Ocon FRA Alpine & Pierre Gasly FRA Alpine 4 points
12. Kevin Magnussen DEN Haas & Alexander Albon THA Williams 1 point

2023 CONSTRUCTORS' CHAMPIONSHIP AFTER 2 RACES :

1. Red Bull 87 points
2. Mercedes & Aston Martin 38 points
4. Ferrari 26 points
5. Alpine 8 points
6. Alfa Romeo 4 points
7. Haas & Williams 1 point

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2023 DRIVERS' CHAMPIONSHIP AFTER 1 RACE :

1. Max Verstappen NED Red Bull 25 points
2. Sergio Perez MEX Red Bull 18 points
3. Fernando Alonso ESP Aston Martin 16 points
4. Carlos Sainz jr. ESP Ferrari 12 points
5. Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes 10 points
6. Lance Stroll CAN Aston Martin 8 points
7. George Russell GBR Mercedes 6 points
8. Valtteri Bottas FIN Alfa Romeo 4 points
9. Pierre Gasly FRA Alpine 2 points
10. Alexander Albon THA Williams 1 point

2023 CONSTRUCTORS' CHAMPIONSHIP AFTER 1 RACE :

1. Red Bull 43 points
2. Aston Martin 23 points
3. Mercedes 16 points
4. Ferrari 12 points
5. Alfa Romeo 4 points
6. Alpine 3 points
7. Williams 1 point

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2022 DRIVERS' CHAMPIONSHIP FINAL STANDINGS AFTER 22 RACES :

1. MAX VERSTAPPEN NED RED BULL 454 points - 2022 WORLD CHAMPION

2. Charles Leclerc MON Ferrari 308 points
3. Sergio Perez MEX Red Bull 305 points
4. George Russell GBR Mercedes 275 points
5. Carlos Sainz jr. SPA Ferrari 246 points
6. Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes 240 points
7. Lando Norris GBR McLaren 122 points
8. Esteban Ocon FRA Alpine 92 points
9. Fernando Alonso SPA Alpine 81 points
10. Valtteri Bottas FIN Alfa Romeo 49 points
11. Sebastian Vettel GER Aston Martin & Daniel Ricciardo AUS McLaren 37 points
13. Kevin Magnussen DAN Haas 25 points
14. Pierre Gasly FRA Alpha Tauri 23 points
15. Lance Stroll CAN Aston Martin Aramco 18 points
16. Mick Schumacher GER Haas & Yuki Tsunoda JPN Alpha Tauri 12 points
18. Guanyu Zhou CHN Alfa Romeo 6 points
19. Alexander Albon THA Williams 4 points
20. Nicholas Latifi CAN Williams & Nyck de Vries OLA Williams 2 points

2022 CONSTRUCTORS' CHAMPIONSHIP FINAL STANDING AFTER 22 RACES :

1. RED BULL 759 points - 2022 WORLD CHAMPIONS

2. Ferrari 554 points
3. Mercedes 515 points
4. Alpine 173 points
5. McLaren 159 points
6. Alfa Romeo & Aston Martin 55 points
8. Haas 37 points
9. Alpha Tauri 35 points
10. Williams 8 points

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2022 DRIVERS' CHAMPIONSHIP AFTER 21 RACES :

1. MAX VERSTAPPEN NED RED BULL 429 points - 2022 WORLD CHAMPION

2. Sergio Perez MEX Red Bull 290 points
3. Charles Leclerc MON Ferrari 290 points
4. George Russell GBR Mercedes 264 points
5. Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes 240 points
6. Carlos Sainz jr. ESP Ferrari 234 points
7. Lando Norris GBR McLaren 113 points
8. Esteban Ocon FRA Alpine 86 points
9. Fernando Alonso ESP Alpine 81 points
10. Valtteri Bottas FIN Alfa Romeo 49 points
11. Sebastian Vettel GER Aston Martin 36 points
12. Daniel Ricciardo AUS McLaren 35 points
13. Kevin Magnussen DEN Haas 25 points
14. Pierre Gasly FRA Alpha Tauri 23 points
15. Lance Stroll CAN Aston Martin Aramco 14 points
16. Mick Schumacher GER Haas & Yuki Tsunoda JPN Alpha Tauri 12 points
18. Guanyu Zhou CHN Alfa Romeo 6 points
19. Alexander Albon THA Williams 4 points
20. Nicholas Latifi CAN Williams & Nyck de Vries NED Williams 2 points

2022 CONSTRUCTORS' CHAMPIONSHIP AFTER 21 RACES :

1. RED BULL 719 points - 2022 WORLD CHAMPIONS

2. Ferrari 524 points
3. Mercedes 504 points
4. Alpine 167 points
5. McLaren 148 points
6. Alfa Romeo 55 points
7. Aston Martin 50 points
8. Haas 37 points
9. Alpha Tauri 35 points
10. Williams 8 points