Formula 1 General Chat & Discussion

My congratulations Pastor (good gift sir Williams to the 70th anniversary) Alonso - where he sat there and stood up! Lewis Hamilton from 24 to 8!!!!! Michael Schumacher - scary stability!

go go alonso!!!!!!!

Some ideas:

- Stratospheric time of Hamilton that has not serve for anything due to a bad decision of Mc Laren. If Lewis has taken over half a second to Maldonado, why do they adjust so the level of the gas? In my country we would say that "they have played with fire", and at last they have burned themselves.
- The last position of Lewis assures a very exciting race.
- Congratulations to Pastor and Fernando, who have done a Pole high above the capabilities of their cars. Jenson and Mark, just the opposite.
- Lotus, they are no longer a surprise.
- About Vettel, I do not understand ...
- Massa ...

hanshel wrote:I am not a fan of Hamilton but how stupid are the rules ???
What ever happen with his fu***ing fuel - he was qualified for 10 because still one of the Q3 Drivers or I am id**t ?
And others drive in Q3 like Sunday city tour through Barcelona !

i totally agree.. and i thought exact the same .

All these silly rules are goin to destroy the real competition and the show.

FU FIA Rules !

wolf1 wrote:I wanna see Vettel VS Schumi in a good, hard but fair Fight tomorrow. Please Racegod let it happen!

Yes I would like it but unfortunatelly Ross Brawn is in England and not in Spain because some problems with his health ! So I think Schumi must maybe fight with blunt sword !

wolf1 wrote:I wanna see Vettel VS Schumi in a good, hard but fair Fight tomorrow. Please Racegod let it happen!

Ditto for that ! But i rather would see this happening between Schumi and Alonso !!! I wouls also not be surpriced that we will see Hamilton ending up at around 10th place ( if he does nothing stupid/dumb/control his tempature/ pitstops go wel ) ,Felipe can also make some places forward ( atleashed i hope ) because his starts are always very good !!!
I hope that finaly Alonso can go for victory ,specialy for his home crowd and Fans and also for giving the Ferrari Team a boost for all the hard work they have done !!!! Maldonado ? ...i think he will lose a lot of places
The ones that i'm a bit afraid of are the Lotus Team with Raikkonen and Grosjean !
But lets see what the race brings tomorrow ...hopefully with a lot of excitement...aldo that this circuit is not the best one for overtaking

Kind Regards
Shaky

I wanna see Vettel VS Schumi in a good, hard but fair Fight tomorrow. Please Racegod let it happen!

YEAH! The farther into the forest, the thicker the partisans! It seems ETV head of the race and not the FIA! What the hell was not joking! A good chance for the Pastor and Fernando! Sebastian Vettel, too, can fight, if a good start!

Very important news!!!


McLaren’s Lewis Hamilton has lost his pole position for Sunday’s Spanish race after the stewards found his car did not have sufficient fuel onboard to comply with the rules on its return to parc ferme.

As a result of the decision, Williams’ Pastor Maldonado inherits pole for the Barcelona round, whilst Hamilton - excluded from the qualifying results - will start from the back of the grid.

The Briton stopped out on track at the end of Q3, after being told over his radio to pull over at the side of the circuit. There wasn’t enough fuel in his MP4-27 to enable it to return under its own power to the pits and for the team to provide a one-litre fuel sample in post-qualifying scrutineering, as required by the sport’s technical regulations.

After a lengthy discussion, the FIA stewards rejected McLaren’s case - put forward by team representative Sam Michael - that the car had stopped out on track due to reasons of ‘force majeure’.

"A team member had put an insufficient quantity of fuel into the car, thereby resulting in the car having to be stopped on the circuit in order to be able to provide the required amount for sampling purposes,” explained the FIA in a statement. “As the amount of fuel put into the car is under the complete control of the competitor, the stewards cannot accept this as a case of force majeure.

"The Stewards determine that this is a breach of Article 6.6.2 of the FIA Formula One Technical Regulations and the Competitor is accordingly excluded from the results of the Qualifying Session. The Competitor is however allowed to start the race from the back of the grid."

Source: [Versteckter Link - Registrierung notwendig]

I am not a fan of Hamilton but how stupid are the rules ???
What ever happen with his fu***ing fuel - he was qualified for 10 because still one of the Q3 Drivers or I am id**t ?
And others drive in Q3 like Sunday city tour through Barcelona !

Updated Starting Grid ! :

Row 1
1. Pastor Maldonado 1’22.285
Williams
2. Fernando Alonso 1’22.302
Ferrari

Row 2
3. Romain Grosjean 1’22.424
Lotus
4. Kimi Raikkonen 1’22.497
Lotus

Row 3
5. Sergio Perez 1’22.533
Sauber
6. Nico Rosberg 1’23.005
Mercedes

Row 4
7. Sebastian Vettel No time
Red Bull
8. Michael Schumacher No time
Mercedes

Row 5
9. Kamui Kobayashi No time
Sauber
10. Jenson Button No time
McLaren
Row 6
11. Mark Webber 1’22.977
Red Bull
12. Paul di Resta 1’23.125
Force India
Row 7
13. Nico Hulkenberg 1’23.177
Force India
14. Jean-Eric Vergne 1’23.265
Toro Rosso

Row 8
15. Daniel Ricciardo 1’23.442
Toro Rosso
16. Felipe Massa 1’23.444
Ferrari
Row 9
17. Bruno Senna No time
Williams
18. Vitaly Petrov 1’25.277
Caterham
Row 10
19. Heikki Kovalainen 1’25.507
Caterham
20. Charles Pic 1’26.582
Marussia
Row 11
21. Timo Glock 1’27.022
Marussia
22. Pedro de la Rosa 1’27.555
HRT
Row 12
23. Narain Karthikeyan 1’31.122
HRT
24. Lewis Hamilton* 1’21.707
McLaren

*Sent to back of grid

Kind Regards
Shaky-Schumi

Ps: This penalty result of Hamilton will have no effect on our " saturday F1 game " , because the result just after the qualification counts !!!!!
Everyone who had put down his " Top 3 " can ofcourse change it until sunday 13.20u , that's no problem !!!!

NewsFlash !!!!!!!!!

Hamilton loses Spanish GP pole position:
Lewis Hamilton has lost pole position for the Spanish Grand Prix after stewards deemed he did not have enough fuel onboard.
The Briton stopped on track right after completing the lap that secured him pole position.
Drivers are required to return to the pits and have enough fuel onboard for the FIA to take a sample.
The FIA said the fuel inside the McLaren was insufficient and therefore have sent Hamilton to the back of the grid for tomorrow's race.
The decision means Williams driver Pastor Maldonado will start from pole position.


This was sayd earlier by Martin Withmarsh...the reason :

McLaren team principal Martin Whitmarsh has all but admitted that Lewis Hamilton's pole position for the Spanish Grand Prix hangs in the balance, ahead of a stewards' meeting to discuss the circumstances that forced the British driver to stop on track after his qualifying lap. Hamilton secured McLaren's 150th pole position at the Circuit de Catalunya on Saturday, but shortly after taking the chequered flag he was ordered to stop by the team because of an unidentified problem. Under the rules, drivers are supposed to return to parc ferme under their own power and with a minimum of one-litre of fuel on board to be able to supply a sample to the FIA. It is not acceptable for drivers to stop early simply to save petrol for the sample - because that would give them a competitive advantage as they could run with less fuel, and therefore less weight, during their qualifying lap. Following a directive issued at the 2010 Canadian Grand Prix, after Lewis Hamilton and McLaren were given a reprimand and a $10,000 fine for stopping deliberately on a slowing down lap after qualifying to save fuel, the FIA has made it clear that only genuine technical problems would be acceptable.
FIA race director Charlie Whiting said in a note issued on race morning in Canada: "Any team whose car stops on the slowing down lap after the race will be asked by the stewards to explain why this happened.
"If they are not satisfied that the reasons were beyond the control of the driver or team, and feel that this has been done deliberately to gain a competitive advantage, appropriate action will be taken."
Whitmarsh would not expand on the reasons for Hamilton being told to stop, but said that the FIA had been able to take its sample.
"There was enough fuel to take a fuel sample, but we stopped the car - and we are now talking to the stewards about that," he explained. "There was 1.3-litres of fuel taken out of the car."
Rules state that cars must have one litre of fuel onboard.
"Competitors must ensure that a one litre sample of fuel may be taken from the car at any time during the Event.
"Except in cases of force majeure (accepted as such by the stewards of the meeting), if a sample of fuel is required after a practice session the car concerned must have first been driven back to the pits under its own power."
When asked if he was confident about Hamilton's pole position standing, he said: "I don't know. But I hope so – Lewis did a fantastic job throughout that session and we have all seen how difficult it is at the moment to be consistent, to switch everything on at the right time.
"Lewis and his team did a great job, so it was a massive margin by the situation within F1 at the moment so undoubtedly he deserves to be there."
Whitmarsh refused to be drawn on offering any insight into the reasons behind Hamilton being given the order to stop.
But a suggestion that the problem was in the pits rather than on the car could point to a problem in the pits meaning not enough fuel went into the car ahead of his final run.
"It is a technical problem that happened in the garage that didn't impede the performance of the car in anyway, and we stopped the car when it had 1.3-litres of fuel in the car," said Whitmarsh.
He added: "There was a technical problem that led to that situation. I think it is not for me to decide; but I would believe that to be a force majeure but it is up to the stewards to decide."
Whitmarsh was adamant, however, that Hamilton had enough fuel in the car to be able to complete his in-lap and supply the one litre sample.

Kind Regards
Shaky-Schumi

NEWS!!

Sanctioned Hamilton. It is relegated to the last position

kyke50 wrote:There exists the possibility that Hamilton is sanctioned for leaving his car in half of the circuit.
The case is studied.
Does anybody have more news?

I'm on it !

Kind Regards
Shaky

There exists the possibility that Hamilton is sanctioned for leaving his car in half of the circuit.
The case is studied.
Does anybody have more news?