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Here is the official result of todays great race :

1.Sebastian Vettel : Red Bull Racing : 1:26.44.893
2.Mark Webber : Red Bull Racing : + 3.741
3.Jenson Button : McLaren : + 9.669
4.Fernando Alonso : Ferrari : + 13.022
5.Michael Schumacher : Mercedes-GP : + 47.464
6.Nico Rosberg : Mercedes-GP : + 48.674
7.Adrian Sutil : Force India : + 59.713
8.Felipe Massa : Ferrari : + 1:06.076
9.Vitaly Petrov: Lotus Renault : + 1:11.917
10.Pastor Maldonado : Williams : + 1:17.615
11.Paul di Resta : Force India : + 1:23.994
12.Kamui Kobayashi : Sauber : + 1:31.976
13.Bruno Senna : Lotus Renault : + 1:32.985
14.Jarno Trulli : Team Lotus : + 1 Round
15.Heikki Kovalainen : Team Lotus + 1 Round
16.Rubens Barrichello : Williams : + 1 Round
17.Jerome D'Ambrosio : Virgin Racing : + 1 Round
18.Timo Glock : Virgin Racing : + 1 Round
19.Vitantonio Liuzzi : HRT : + 1 Round
Did not finish
20.Sergio Perez : Sauber : unknown
21.Daniel Ricciardo : HRT : unknown
22.Lewis Hamilton : McLaren : crash
23.Sébastien Buemi : Toro Rosso : broken rear wing
24.Jaime Alguersuari : Toro Rosso : crash

Safety Car : 1
Fastest Lap : Mark Webber 1:49.883
Pitstop D'Ambrosio : 2

So I hope I have make my job good this weekend and at the next race weekend Shaky will again post the results

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GenaroXP

BELGIAN GRAND PRIX
1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing 1:26:44.863
2 Mark Webber Red Bull Racing 0:03.741
3 Jenson Button McLaren 0:09.669
4 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 0:13.022
5 Michael Schumacher Mercedes 0:47.464
6 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 0:48.674
7 Adrian Sutil Force India F1 0:59.713
8 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:06.076
9 Vitaly Petrov Lotus Renault 1:11.917
10 Pastor Maldonado Williams 1:17.615

Yeahhhhh !
Seb back on TOP in Spa - unbelievable sovereign !!!! At all it is my favorite racetrack !
Michael (from behind in the starting grid) finish on 5 - well done, champ !

Pastor Maldonado has been given a five-place grid penalty after his incident with Lewis Hamilton at the end of Q2.

Maldonado was adjudged to have been at fault in the incident and will be moved back from 16th to 21st on the grid.

Hamilton was given a reprimand but receives no penalty.

These is the officail result from todays quailification :

1.Sebastian Vettel : Red Bull Racing : 1:48.298
2.Lewis Hamilton : McLaren : 1:48.730 + 0.432
3.Mark Webber : Red Bull Racing : 1:49.376 + 1.078
4.Felipe Massa : Ferrari : 1:50.256 + 1.958
5.Nico Rosberg : Mercedes-GP : 1:50.552 + 2.254
6.Jaime Alguersuari : Toro Rosso : 1:50.773 + 2.475
7.Bruno Senna : Lotus Renault : 1:51.121 + 2.823
8.Fernando Alonso : Ferrari : 1:51.251 + 2.953
9.Sergio Pérez : Sauber : 1:51.374 + 3.076
10.Vitaly Petrov : Lotus Renault : 1:52.303 + 4.005

Q2
11.Sébastien Buemi : Toro Rosso : 2:04.692 + 1.924
12.Kamui Kobayashi : Sauber : 2:04.757 + 1.989
13..enson Button : McLaren : 2:05.150 + 2.382
14.Rubens Barrichello : Williams : 2:07.349 + 4.581
15.Adrian Sutil : Force India : 2:07.777 + 5.009
16.Pastor Maldonado : Williams : 2:08.106 + 5.338
17.Heikki Kovalainen : Team Lotus : 2:08.354 + 5.586

Q1
18.Paul Di Resta : Force India : 2:07.758 + 5.945
19.Jarno Trulli : Team Lotus : 2:08.773 + 6.960
20.Timo Glock : Virgin Racing : 2:09.566 + 7.753
21.Jérôme D'Ambrosio* : Virgin Racing : 2:11.601 + 9.788
22.Vitantonio Liuzzi* : HRT : 2:11.616 + 9.803
23.Daniel Ricciardo* : HRT : 2:13.077 + 11.264
24.Michael Schumacher** : Mercedes-GP : No Time

Again a pole from Vettel what a surprise and maybe it´s possible that Hamilton will receive a penalty for an unfair maneuver against Maldonado in Q2.

*D´Ambrosio,Liuzzi & Ricciardo are not qualified for the race tomorrow because their times are to slow (over the 107% mark) but they could have a bit hope that the race-commissioners spare them how it was often in the past because when a driver has driven in one of the three free practice sessions an official time which was in this session under the 107% mark then it´s possible that the driver can nevertheless start the race.

**Michael Schumacher is fortunately qualified for the race tomorrow after his crash in Q1 and so the hope remains that it will give a happy end for him in his anniversary race.
He may start the race tomorrow because he has driven in all three free practice sessions a time which was under the 107% mark and so there´s no reason for the race-commissioners that he not may start the race.

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So the qualifying is after 2 and a half minute in Q1 over for Michael Schumacher he lost his right back tyre and crashed his car into a wall and is out of race for the whole qualifying session

Tarl_Cabot wrote:

dazaman wrote:Its looking like it could be a wet qualification today as the last practice as plenty of water on track right now.

so we should look out for a rockin' & shakin' rain coat during this weekend.

I'm thinking a angry shaky right now as is fave his the first victim, but seems like a wheel came off

These are times of the 3rd and last practice session of this race weekend :

1.Mark Webber : Red Bull Racing : 2:08.988
2.Lewis Hamilton : McLaren : 2:09.046 + 0.058
3.Jaime Alguersuari : Toro Rosso : 2:09.931 + 0.943
4.Jenson Button : McLaren : 2:10.257 + 1.269
5.Sebastian Vettel : Red Bull Racing : 2:10.402 + 1.414
6.Sébastien Buemi : Toro Rosso : 2:10.580 + 1.592
7.Nico Rosberg : Mercedes-GP : 2:10.837 + 1.849
8.Adrian Sutil : Force India : 2:11.437 + 2.449
9.Bruno Senna : Lotus Renault : 2:11.664 + 2.676
10.Michael Schumacher : Mercedes-GP : 2:11.667 + 2.679
11.Paul Di Resta : Force India : 2:11.874 + 2.886
12.Heikki Kovalainen : Team Lotus : 2:13.036 + 4.048
13.Pastor Maldonado : Williams : 2:13.074+ 4.086
14.Kamui Kobayashi : Sauber : 2:13.182 + 4.194
15.Vitaly Petrov : Lotus Renault : 2:13.290 + 4.302
16.Rubens Barrichello : Williams : 2:13.778 + 4.790
17.Sergio Pérez : Sauber : 2:14.334 + 5.346
18.Jarno Trulli : Team Lotus : 2:14.682 + 5.694
19.Jérôme D'Ambrosio : Virgin Racing : 2:17.159 + 8.171
20.Timo Glock : Virgin Racing : 2:18.039 + 9.051
21.Daniel Ricciardo : HRT : 2:19.001 + 10.013
22.Vitantonio Liuzzi : HRT : 2:19.597 + 10.609
23.Felipe Massa : Ferrari : 2:22.454 + 13.466
24.Fernando Alonso : Ferrari : No Time

This was the 3rd and last free practice session at this race weekend (again under wet conditions) so in 80min. will follow the first highlight of this weekend.........the qualification

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dazaman wrote:Its looking like it could be a wet qualification today as the last practice as plenty of water on track right now.

so we should look out for a rockin' & shakin' rain coat during this weekend.

Its looking like it could be a wet qualification today as the last practice as plenty of water on track right now.

These are times of the 2nd practice session of this race weekend :

1.Mark Webber : Red Bull Racing : 1:50.321
2.Fernando Alonso : Ferrari : 1:50.461 + 0.140
3.Jenson Button : McLaren : 1:50.770 + 0.449
4.Lewis Hamilton : McLaren : 1:50.838 + 0.517
5.Felipe Massa : Ferrari : 1:51.218 + 0.897
6.Nico Rosberg : Mercedes-GP : 1:51.242 + 0.921
7.Sergio Pérez : Sauber : 1:51.655 + 1.334
8.Nico Hülkenberg : Force India : 1:51.725 + 1.404
9.Paul Di Resta : Force India : 1:51.751 + 1.430
10.Sebastian Vettel : Red Bull Racing : 1:51.790 + 1.469
11.Michael Schumacher : Mercedes-GP : 1:51.922 + 1.601
12.Pastor Maldonado : Williams : 1:52.750 + 2.429
13.Kamui Kobayashi : Sauber : 1:52.780 + 2.459
14.Jaime Alguersuari : Toro Rosso : 1:52.911 + 2.590
15.Sébastien Buemi : Toro Rosso : 1:53.009 + 2.688
16.Rubens Barrichello : Williams : 1:53.156 + 2.835
17.Bruno Senna : Lotus Renault : 1:53.835 + 3.514
18.Jarno Trulli : Team Lotus : 1:55.051 + 4.730
19.Timo Glock : Virgin Racing : 1:55.494 + 5.173
20.Heikki Kovalainen : Team Lotus : 1:56.202 + 5.881
21.Jérôme D'Ambrosio : Virgin Racing : 1:56.816 + 6.495
22.Vitantonio Liuzzi : HRT : 1:57.450 + 7.129
23.Daniel Ricciardo : HRT : 1:57.612 + 7.291
24.Vitaly Petrov : Lotus Renault : 2:02.234 + 11.913

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GenaroXP

This first practice session was disrupted by rain. Many off the road.

These are times of the 1st practice session of this race weekend :

1.Michael Schumacher : Mercedes-GP : 1:54.355
2.Nico Rosberg : Mercedes-GP : 1:54.829 + 0.474
3.Jenson Button : McLaren : 2:02.740 + 8.385
4.Sebastian Vettel : Red Bull Racing : 2:03.752 + 9.397
5.Lewis Hamilton : McLaren : 2:04.301 + 9.946
6.Adrian Sutil : Force India : 2:04.663 + 10.308
7.Felipe Massa : Ferrari : 2:04.728 + 10.373
8.Rubens Barrichello : Williams : 2:05.391 + 11.036
9.Jaime Alguersuari : Toro Rosso : 2:06.583 + 12.228
10.Kamui Kobayashi : Sauber : 2:06.886 + 12.531
11.Fernando Alonso : Ferrari : 2:07.055 + 12.700
12.Sergio Pérez : Sauber : 2:07.481 + 13.126
13.Jarno Trulli : Team Lotus : 2:08.233 + 13.878
14.Sébastien Buemi : Toro Rosso : 2:08.239 + 13.884
15.Pastor Maldonado : Williams : 2:08.918 + 14.563
16.Mark Webber : Red Bull Racing : 2:09.792 + 15.437
17.Timo Glock : Virgin Racing : 2:12.278 + 17.923
18.Vitantonio Liuzzi : HRT : 2:12.389 + 18.034
19.Jérôme D'Ambrosio : Virgin Racing : 2:12.772 + 18.417
20.Paul Di Resta : Force India : 2:13.058 + 18.703
21.Karun Chandhok : Team Lotus : 2:13.090 + 18.735
22.Vitaly Petrov : Lotus Renault : 2:13.601 + 19.246
23.Bruno Senna : Lotus Renault : 2:14.340 + 19.985
24.Daniel Ricciardo : HRT : 2:14.933 + 20.578

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GenaroXP

tyrrell story

The Tyrrell Racing Organisation was an auto racing team and Formula One constructor founded by Ken Tyrrell which started racing in 1958 and started building its own cars in 1970. The team experienced its greatest success in the early 1970s, when it won three drivers' championships and one constructors' championship with Jackie Stewart. The team never reached such heights again, although it continued to win races through the 1970s and into the early 1980s, taking the final win for the Ford Cosworth DFV engine at Detroit in 1983. The team was bought by British American Tobacco in 1997 and completed its final season as Tyrrell in 1998.
Ken Tyrrell stood down as a driver in 1959, and began to run a Formula Junior operation using the woodshed owned by his family business, Tyrrell Brothers, as a workshop. Throughout the 1960s, Tyrrell moved through the lower formulas, variously giving single seater debuts to John Surtees and Jacky Ickx. But the team's most famous partnership was the one forged with Jackie Stewart, who first signed up in 1963.
Tyrrell ran the BRM Formula 2 operation throughout 1965, 1966 and 1967 whilst Stewart was signed to the Formula One team. Tyrrell then signed a deal to run Formula 2 cars made by French company Matra.
With the help of Elf and Ford, Tyrrell then achieved his dream of moving to Formula One in 1968, as team principal for Matra International, a joint-venture established between Tyrrell's own team and the French auto manufacturer Matra. Stewart was a serious contender, winning several Grands Prix in the Tyrrell-run Matra MS10. The car's most innovative feature was the use of aviation-inspired structural fuel tanks. These allowed the chassis to be around 15 kg lighter, while still being stronger than its competitors. The FIA considered the technology to be unsafe and decided to ban it for 1970, insisting on rubber bag-tanks.
For the 1969 championship the Matra works team decided not to compete in Formula One. Matra would instead focus its efforts on Ken Tyrrell's 'Matra International' team and build a new DFV powered car with structural fuel tanks, even though it would only be eligible for a single season. Stewart won the 1969 title easily driving the new Cosworth-powered Matra MS80, which corrected most of the weaknesses of the MS10. Stewart's title was the first won by a French chassis, and the only one won by a chassis built in France.It was a spectacular achievement from a team and a constructor that had only entered Formula One the previous year.
For the 1970 season following Matra's merger with Simca, Tyrrell were asked by Matra to use their V12 rather than the Cosworth. Simca was a subsidiary of the American company Chrysler, a rival of Ford.
1971 Tyrrell-Cosworth 002
For the 1970 season following Matra's merger with Simca, Tyrrell were asked by Matra to use their V12 rather than the Cosworth. Simca was a subsidiary of the American company Chrysler, a rival of Ford.
1971 Tyrrell-Cosworth 002
Stewart tested the Matra V12 and found it inferior to the DFV. As a large part of the Tyrrell budget was provided by Ford, and another significant element came from French state-owned petroleum company Elf, which had an agreement with Renault that precluded supporting a Simca partner, Ken Tyrrell had little alternative but to buy a March 701 chassis as interim solution while developing his own car in secret.
Tyrrell was still sponsored by French fuel company Elf, and Tyrrell would retain the traditional French blue racing colours for most of the rest of its existence. Tyrrell and Stewart ran the March-Fords throughout 1970 with mixed success, while Derek Gardner worked on the first in-house Tyrrell Grand Prix car at the woodshed in Ockham, Surrey.
The Tyrrell 001, which bore much resemblance to the MS80, emerged at the end of 1970. It earned Stewart a pole position in the Canadian GP but suffered mechanical failures in all of its 3 race starts. The nearly identical Tyrrell 003 won both Drivers' and Constructors' Championships in 1971, with strong driving from Jackie Stewart and François Cevert. Stewart's 1972 challenge was hamstrung by a stomach ulcer, but he returned to full fitness in 1973. He and Cevert finishing 1st and 4th in the Championship. Tragedy struck on October 6, 1973, as Cevert was killed in practice for the US Grand Prix at Watkins Glen. Stewart, who was to retire at the end of the season, and Tyrrell immediately stood down, effectively handing the Constructor's title to Lotus. At the end of the season Stewart made public his decision to retire, a decision that was already made before the US Grand Prix. Without their star driver or his skilled French protégé aboard, Tyrrell were never serious World Championship contenders again.
Despite this, the team remained a force throughout the 1970s, winning races with Jody Scheckter and Patrick Depailler. Most notable of these was Scheckter's triumph at the 1976 Swedish Grand Prix, giving Tyrrell a 1-2 finish driving the distinctive Derek Gardner designed Tyrrell P34 car. The P34 was the first (and only) successful six-wheeler F1 car, which replaced the conventional front wheels with smaller wheels mounted in banks of two on either side of the car. The design was abandoned after Goodyear refused to develop the small tyres needed for the car as they were too busy fighting the other tyre manufacturers in Formula One.
1980s
The Tyrrell 012 (pictured at the 2008 Goodwood Festival of Speed) raced from 1983 to 1985.
In 1977, the Turbo era dawned in Grand Prix racing, which was, by the mid-1980s, to render normally aspirated engined cars obsolete. Without the proper funding, Tyrrell was the last resistant with the Cosworth DFV at a time all teams had switched to turbocharged engines. It was the beginning of two decades of struggle for Tyrrell, who was often underfunded through lack of sponsorship. It seemed appropriate, then, that the final win for the classic Cosworth Ford DFV engine was taken by a Tyrrell car, Michele Alboreto at the 1983 Detroit Grand Prix. It was also Tyrrell's last Grand Prix win.
1984 controversy
At the time, the Formula One regulations specified a minimum weight which was (as is currently the case) more than achievable with non-turbocharged cars - though not with a turbocharged car due to greater complexity - leading to some cars being built light and ballasted up to the minimum weight to optimise weight distribution. However, rules then also specified that the cars were to be weighed filled with their usual fluids. In 1982, other teams (chiefly Brabham and Williams) had used this provision to develop cars with features such as 'water cooled brakes' - the car officially started the race with a large, full water tank, the water was released in the general direction of the brakes and the car ran underweight when on track and unable to be weighed, only to be later topped up sufficient water to ensure the weight limit was not breached.
As Tyrrell was the only naturally-aspirated engine user in 1984 season, they were uniquely placed to be able to benefit from a similar strategy of the water brake. In Tyrrell's case, the engine was equipped with a water injection system (a common means of lowering cylinder temperatures to increase power), whose supply tank was to be topped up late in the race. In addition, the FIA had already made provision to reduce the fuel allowance for the race (then 220 litres) to 195, reducing the power available to turbocharged runners while imposing little restriction on more efficient non-turbo runners. Predictably turbo-powered teams were against this move, leaving only Tyrrell - whose engine did not need the additional fuel - in favour of it. However, F1 rules required unanimity for the change to be scrapped, leaving Tyrrell in the way.
Stefan Bellof driving for Tyrrell during the team's controversial 1984 season.
It had been observed in races that, after Tyrrell's final pit stop, lead shot could be seen escaping from the top of the car. It turned out that Tyrrell were running the car underweight during the race then, in the closing stages, topping up water injection supply tanks with an additional 2 gallons of water mixed with 140 lb of lead shot to ensure it made the weight limit. As this was pumped in under significant pressure, some escaped through the tank vent and rained down on neighbouring pits, in sufficient quantities for other teams to sweep the shot away before their drivers pitted.
After the Detroit Grand Prix where Martin Brundle had finished in second for Tyrrell, the top cars were as usually impounded for inspection for compliance with the rules. Following this, it was alleged that the water was in fact 27.5% aromatics and constituted an additional fuel source. Tyrrell were thus charged with:
Taking on additional fuel during the race (then illegal)
Use of illegal fuel (the aromatic-water mix)
Equipping the car with illegal fuel lines (the lines from the water tank to the water injection system)
Using ballast that was incorrectly fixed to the car (the lead shot in the water tank)
From these charges, Tyrrell were excluded from the 1984 world championship and retroactively disqualified from all races that year. Further analysis showed that the actual fuel content of the water was significantly below 1% and well within rules. Additionally, Tyrrell argued that the requirement was that the ballast had to be fixed so it required tools to remove - which they felt was the case with the shot as contained within the water tank. Tyrrell subsequently went to the FIA court of appeal. On appeal, the evidence that the water's fuel content was in fact far lower than originally suggested was ignored and the charges amended to:
The fuel in the water (now agreed by the governing body to be at a negligible and legal level)
Unsecured ballast
Illegal holes in the bottom of the car, in violation of flat bottom rules designed to eliminate ground effect (eventually determined to be vents of no aerodynamic effect)
Nonetheless, the international judging panel upheld the original decision: Tyrrell were excluded from the championship - and was banned for last 3 races, and with them, getting fined by FISA. With the only non-turbo team now not officially an entrant, the remaining teams had the unanimity they required to amend the rules as they wished. Tyrrell's exclusion meant they lost all points from the 1984 season and, with them, subsidised travel benefits to the following year's championship, a huge additional cost.
1990s
Mika Salo driving for Tyrrell at the 1995 British Grand Prix.
"Tora" Takagi driving the Tyrrell 026 at the 1998 Spanish Grand Prix.
Tyrrell struggled on through the 1980s and 1990s - the team consistently punching above their financial weight. And while results lagged behind the glory years, Ken Tyrrell was still a man deeply respected in the F1 community. There was a brief revival of fortunes in the early 1990s. The combination of Harvey Postlethwaite's revolutionary anhedral high-nose Tyrrell 019 and Jean Alesi's full debut season in 1990 brought the team two second places at Phoenix and Monaco - Alesi having led 30 laps of the Phoenix race. The French-Sicilian left the next year for Ferrari, but Honda engines and Braun sponsorship in 1991 helped Stefano Modena earn a front row start at Monaco alongside Senna and a fine second place finish at the 1991 Canadian Grand Prix. Nonetheless, the team slowly dropped back from the middle of the pack. Eventually, in 1998 and in the face of dwindling form and ill health, Ken sold his team to British American Tobacco, the team becoming British American Racing. The final race for Tyrrell was the 1998 Japanese Grand Prix, where Ricardo Rosset failed to qualify and team-mate Toranosuke Takagi retired on lap 28 after a collision with Esteban Tuero's Minardi.
Legacy
The double championship-winning Brawn GP team of 2009 and the 2010 Mercedes GP team are in some ways descendants of Tyrrell, through its predecessors, Honda Racing F1 and BAR. While BAR bought the F1 team and entry, most of the cars and equipment were sold to Paul Stoddart, later owner of the Minardi F1 team. The Minardi 2 seater F1 cars are modifications of the 1998 Tyrrell 026 design, most noticeable in the distinctive shape of the nose of the car. These cars still run in demos today, most recently as demo cars during the launch of the Yas Marina F1 track.
Ken Tyrrell died of cancer on August 25, 2001 at the age of 77.

so mr shaky nowaday left to spa circuit
i wish you a very great race and maybe a shumy's autograph