Formula 1 General Chat & Discussion

The gas station didn't function well , it should have given to less petrol

Yes kyke50 , still for how long .........

schubert

schubert wrote:Webber putting back to the last place on the grid

Too less fuel

schubert

I wonder: why in Red Bull are always all the problems for Webber?

Webber putting back to the last place on the grid

Too less fuel

schubert

Result of the qualifying of the GP of China :

Hamilton grabs first pole with Mercedes :
Lewis Hamilton claimed his first pole position with Mercedes in a Chinese Grand Prix qualifying session dominated by tyre strategy. Kimi Raikkonen's Lotus will join Hamilton on the front row ahead of Fernando Alonso's Ferrari. Championship leader Sebastian Vettel chose not to set a time in Q3 and can start ninth on medium tyres, while most of those ahead must use the fragile softs for their first stint.
His Red Bull team-mate Mark Webber had a disastrous session, as a fuel pressure problem stranded him in Q2.
With the soft tyres only good for one flying lap and expected to quickly fade in the race, qualifying was all about rubber conservation. Q3 duly became a one-lap shootout in the final minute as all 10 contenders poured on the track at once at the last gasp. Raikkonen was first to take provisional pole with a 1m34.761s.
Several likely challengers failed to match that, but Hamilton came through on a 1m34.484s to give Mercedes pole at Shanghai for a second straight year. Alonso ended his run of being outqualified by Ferrari team-mate Felipe Massa as he took third, two places ahead of the Brazilian. Nico Rosberg split them in the second Mercedes. Romain Grosjean was sixth for Lotus, followed by Daniel Ricciardo.
The Australian was one of the stars of qualifying as he got Toro Rosso into Q3 for the first time this year, beating team-mate Jean-Eric Vergne by 0.9 seconds in Q2.
Jenson Button joined Vettel in opting for medium and did a slow lap for eighth, while Vettel and Sauber's Nico Hulkenberg chose not to do Q3 flying laps at all.Webber ended qualifying 14th after a fuel pressure problem forced him to park his car on the circuit in Q2. But the Australian fears he will ultimately end up at the back of the grid if the issue means his Red Bull cannot provide the mandatory fuel sample for the FIA.
Both Force Indias narrowly missed out on the top 10, with Paul di Resta just 0.029s off in 11th. Team-mate Adrian Sutil was behind Sergio Perez's McLaren in 13th. The tyre issue even neutered Q1, which did not feature any track action until halfway through. Toro Rosso attempted to get through on mediums, but had to make a late switch to softs as both drivers were at risk of missing the cut.
Vergne and Ricciardo's improvements meant Valtteri Bottas's Williams and Esteban Gutierrez's Sauber were the two midfield cars ousted. Jules Bianchi had been ahead of the Toro Rossos before they moved to softs, but had to settle for his usual 19th for Marussia, still comfortably faster than his back of the grid peers.

1. Lewis Hamilton : Mercedes GP - 1:34.484 -
2. Kimi Räikkönen : Lotus - 1:34.761 + 0.277
3. Fernando Alonso : Ferrari - 1:34.788 + 0.304
4. Nico Rosberg : Mercedes GP - 1:34.861 + 0.377
5. Felipe Massa : Ferrari - 1:34.933 + 0.449
6. Romain Grosjean : Lotus - 1:35.364 + 0.880
7. Daniel Ricciardo : Toro Rosso - 1:35.998 + 1.514
8. Jenson Button : McLaren - 2:05.673 + 31.189
9. Sebastian Vettel : Red Bull Racing - not time set
10. Nico Hulkenberg Sauber geen tijd -

Q2
11. Paul di Resta : Force India - 1:36.287 + 1.803
12. Sergio Perez : McLaren - 1:36.314 + 1.830
13. Adrian Sutil : Force India - 1:36.405 + 1.921
14. Mark Webber : Red Bull Racing - 1:36.679 + 2.195
15. Pastor Maldonado : Williams - 1:37.139 + 2.655
16. Jean-Eric Vergne : Toro Rosso - 1:37.199 + 2.715
17. Valtteri Bottas : Williams - 1:37.769 + 3.285

Q1
18. Esteban Gutierrez : Sauber - 1:37.990 -
19. Jules Bianchi : Marussia F1 Team - 1:38.780 + 4.296
20. Max Chilton : Marussia F1 Team - 1:39.537 + 5.053
21. Charles Pic : Caterham - 1:39.614 + 5.130
22. Giedo van der Garde : Caterham - 1:39.660 + 5.176

Kind Regards
Shaky-Schumi

Result of the 3rd practice sesion :

Alonso keeps Ferrari on top :
Fernando Alonso and Felipe Massa kept Ferrari on top of the times in the final practice session for the Chinese Grand Prix. The Spaniard's best lap of 1m35.391s was still slower than the benchmark set by Massa in second practice on Friday. The Brazilian was second quickest on Saturday morning, over six tenths behind his team-mate.Lewis Hamilton finished third for Mercedes as team-mate Nico Rosberg had to settle for 14th position after being unable to set a time with the soft Pirelli tyres. World champion Sebastian Vettel outpaced Red Bull team-mate Mark Webber for the first time this weekend to finish in fourth position, right ahead of the Australian, who completed the top five. Force India's Adrian Sutil was sixth ahead of the first Lotus of Kimi Raikkonen, McLaren's Jenson Button and Sergio Perez and the Sauber of Nico Hulkenberg, who rounded up the top 10.
Caterham's Charles Pic and Giedo van der Garde were the first men to appear in the timesheets, the duo the only men to post a timed lap in the first 10 minutes of the session. Perez jumped to the top of the times nearly 20 minutes in, becoming the first driver from a top team to set a time. He was promptly outpaced by Romain Grosjean in the Lotus, the Frenchman relegated by team-mate Raikkonen just moments later. With a quarter of final practice gone, it was FP1 pacesetter Rosberg who moved to the top with the first 1m37s lap of the hour-long session. Team-mate Hamilton bettered his time three minutes later as Vettel went second quickest behind the Briton, both men still far from the leading times from Friday. Hamilton was first to move into the 1m36s at the half-hour mark, while Rosberg put the other Mercedes in second position ahead of Vettel.
Ferrari drivers Alonso and Massa waited until the second half of the session to complete their first timed laps, the Spaniard moving to fifth spot 28 minutes in with used medium tyres. Friday pacesetter Massa went sixth quickest with his first attempt seconds later. The soft tyres made their appearance with less than 20 minutes left, with Rosberg and Raikkonen the first of the frontrunners to try the yellow-marked rubber.
The German, however, aborted his first attempt and complained about excessive bottoming, returning to the pits without setting a time. His mechanics started working on the car immediately and he would not return to the track. Team-mate Hamilton also slowed down right after posting the quickest time in the first sector, also using soft tyres, but the Briton continued for another run. Although his first sector was not as strong as before, Hamilton posted the best time of the session with a lap of 1m36.065s which put him over a second clear of the rest of the field at the time. With most teams eager to save their soft tyres, the action was sparse as the session reached the final 10 minutes. Raikkonen jumped to second with eight minutes to go, but the Finn was still over half a second off Hamilton's pace. He was soon outpaced by Sutil, but the Mercedes driver's time was still out of reach. Most drivers finally jumped onto the circuit with five minutes left, Alonso setting the fastest time of the day with a 1m35.391s, still slower than Massa's best from Friday. The Brazilian moved to second ahead of Hamilton.

1. Fernando Alonso : Ferrari - 1:35.391 -
2. Felipe Massa : Ferrari 1:36.013 + 0.622
3. Lewis Hamilton : Mercedes GP - 1:36.065 + 0.674
4. Sebastian Vettel : Red Bull Racing - 1:36.286 + 0.895
5. Mark Webber : Red Bull Racing - 1:36.420 + 1.029
6. Adrian Sutil : Force India - 1:36.549 + 1.158
7. Kimi Räikkönen : Lotus - 1:36.605 + 1.214
8. Jenson Button : McLaren - 1:36.693 + 1.302
9. Sergio Perez : McLaren - 1:36.777 + 1.386
10. Nico Hulkenberg : Sauber - 1:36.853 + 1.462
11. Jean-Eric Vergne : Toro Rosso - 1:37.072 + 1.681
12. Daniel Ricciardo : Toro Rosso - 1:37.205 + 1.814
13. Pastor Maldonado : Williams - 1:37.300 + 1.909
14. Nico Rosberg : Mercedes GP - 1:37.349 + 1.958
15. Valtteri Bottas : Williams - 1:37.457 + 2.066
16. Paul di Resta : Force India - 1:37.487 + 2.096
17. Esteban Gutierrez : Sauber - 1:37.740 + 2.349
18. Romain Grosjean : Lotus - 1:37.813 + 2.422
19. Jules Bianchi : Marussia F1 Team - 1:38.496 + 3.105
20. Charles Pic : Caterham - 1:38.821 + 3.430
21. Max Chilton : Marussia F1 Team - 1:39.627 + 4.236
22. Giedo van der Garde : Caterham - 1:39.652 + 4.261

Kind Regards
Shaky-Schumi

Result of the 2nd practice session from today :

Felipe Massa sets the pace in second practice :
Felipe Massa put Ferrari on top in the second free practice session for the Chinese Grand Prix at Shanghai.
Runaway morning pacesetter Nico Rosberg had to settle for fourth this time, as Kimi Raikkonen and Fernando Alonso took second and third places. Initially Rosberg and Mercedes resumed their commanding morning form by setting the initial pace, while team-mate Lewis Hamilton was next up. The soft tyre runs started early, with Mark Webber switching from the medium rubber just 20 minutes in. He used his new Pirellis to outpace Rosberg by 0.6s and claim first place, although the German soon retaliated with his own soft-tyre dash and got back in front. But the second half of the afternoon was all about Ferrari and Massa.
A 1m35.340s from Massa on the soft tyres put him in front, and that was where he stayed.
More impressively, he maintained his speed better than most on his subsequent long run with medium tyres, on a day when radio complaints about graining were perhaps even more prevalent than usual.
Rosberg was eventually pushed down to fourth place as Raikkonen emerged as Massa's closest rival, getting within 0.152s. Fernando Alonso increased Ferrari's satisfaction with third place, albeit 0.4s off his team-mate.
Rosberg and Webber completed the top five, while Jenson Button showed encouraging form for McLaren again in sixth, ahead of Hamilton. Sebastian Vettel was only 10th, behind Force India duo Adrian Sutil and Paul di Resta. Sutil's session included a half-spin at Turn 8 in which his car arrived at the corner already broadside.
The German managed to stop the Force India on the asphalt run-off, unlike Sergio Perez in a near-identical incident minutes earlier. In that case the McLaren made it all the way over the gravel trap and lightly nudged the barriers before crawling back to the pits. Perez, who had crashed in the pit entry at the end of practice one, later made it back out and was 11th. His team-mate Button did not have a trouble-free afternoon either, pitting with a delaminated left-front tyre following a huge lock-up into the hairpin.
In the backmarker pack, Jules Bianchi impressed again as an early soft tyre run temporarily got him as high as 11th. He still ended up back in his habitual 19th place.
His Marussia team-mate Max Chilton had a horrible afternoon. The Briton stopped on track with oil pressure problems during the first runs, later rejoined and then had to park out on the circuit again.
Caterham's Giedo van der Garde was the other man to have adventures, catching a high-speed spin into Turn 1 before it could become a full rotation.

1. Felipe Massa : Ferrari - 1:35.340 -
2. Kimi Räikkönen : Lotus - 1:35.492 + 0.152
3. Fernando Alonso : Ferrari - 1:35.755 + 0.415
4. Nico Rosberg : Mercedes GP - 1:35.819 + 0.479
5. Mark Webber : Red Bull Racing - 1:36.092 + 0.752
6. Jenson Button : McLaren - 1:36.432 + 1.092
7. Lewis Hamilton : Mercedes GP - 1:36.496 + 1.156
8. Adrian Sutil : Force India - 1:36.514 + 1.174
9. Paul di Resta : Force India - 1:36.595 + 1.255
10. Sebastian Vettel : Red Bull Racing - 1:36.791 + 1.451
11. Sergio Perez : McLaren - 1:36.940 + 1.600
12. Romain Grosjean : Lotus - 1:36.963 + 1.623
13. Esteban Gutierrez : Sauber - 1:37.103 + 1.763
14. Daniel Ricciardo : Toro Rosso - 1:37.206 + 1.866
15. Jean-Eric Vergne : Toro Rosso - 1:38.127 + 2.787
16. Valtteri Bottas : Williams - 1:38.185 + 2.845
17. Nico Hulkenberg : Sauber - 1:38.211 + 2.871
18. Pastor Maldonado : Williams - 1:38.276 + 2.936
19. Jules Bianchi : Marussia F1 Team - 1:38.725 + 3.385
20. Giedo van der Garde : Caterham - 1:39.271 + 3.931
21. Charles Pic : Caterham - 1:39.814 + 4.474
22. Max Chilton : Marussia F1 Team - 1:43.227 + 7.887

Kind Regards
Shaky-Schumi

Result of the 1st practice session of the GP of China :

Nico Rosberg and Mercedes dominate practice one :
Nico Rosberg led team-mate Lewis Hamilton in a Mercedes one-two in opening Chinese Grand Prix practice, as the squad returned to the scene of its first modern-era Formula 1 victory one year ago.
Warring Red Bull duo Mark Webber and Sebastian Vettel were next up, but a second off the Mercedes' pace.
Mercedes took charge on the last lighter-fuel runs going into the final half-hour of the session.
Rosberg initially put in a 1m37.872s to knock Felipe Massa's Ferrari off the top spot.
This mark was then pipped by Webber, who went 0.2s faster just a minute later.
But Rosberg had more speed to come. Despite signs of tyre graining and being eight laps into a stint, he unleashed a 1m36.904s, backed off for a lap, then delivered the best lap of the morning with a 1m36.717s.
Mercedes then appeared to have superior pace on the race stint simulations in the final half-hour, although fuel load variations inevitably skew this picture. Hamilton was ultimately 0.454s down on his team-mate, but 0.487s clear of Webber. Three tenths of a second split the two Red Bulls in third and fourth.
Jenson Button had been among the first to set a flying lap, albeit over half an hour into the session, and kept his McLaren near the top for a long while. He ended up sixth, between the Ferraris of Fernando Alonso and Massa. Button's team-mate Sergio Perez provided a bizarre end to the session when he crashed in the pitlane entry gravel trap, replicating the infamous incident that ended McLaren predecessor Hamilton's 2007 Chinese GP. Adrian Sutil also had a stint in first place before ending up eighth, two places in front of Force India team-mate Adrian Sutil. Romain Grosjean's Lotus split them. The Frenchman's team-mate Kimi Raikkonen provided the session's other main incident when he ran wide at Turn 9 and spun back across the track. Raikkonen resumed without damage. Sauber rookie Esteban Gutierrez also had an excursion, exploring the gravel at Turn 1. Ex-HRT third driver Ma Qing Hua made his Caterham debut in Charles Pic's car at his home event. The GP2 racer was last, 1.5s off team-mate Giedo van der Garde

1. Nico Rosberg : Mercedes GP - 1:36.717 -
2. Lewis Hamilton : Mercedes GP - 1:37.171 + 0.454
3. Mark Webber : Red Bull Racing - 1:37.658 + 0.941
4. Sebastian Vettel : Red Bull Racing - 1:37.942 + 1.225
5. Fernando : Alonso Ferrari - 1:37.965 + 1.248
6. Jenson Button : McLaren - 1:38.069 + 1.352
7. Felipe Massa : Ferrari - 1:38.095 + 1.378
8. Adrian Sutil : Force India - 1:38.125 + 1.408
9. Romain Grosjean : Lotus - 1:38.398 + 1.681
10. Paul di Resta : Force India - 1:38.561 + 1.844
11. Kimi Räikkönen ; Lotus - 1:38.790 + 2.073
12. Jean-Eric Vergne : Toro Rosso - 1:39.057 + 2.340
13. Pastor Maldonado : Williams - 1:39.158 + 2.441
14. Nico Hulkenberg : Sauber - 1:39.180 + 2.463
15. Daniel Ricciardo : Toro Rosso - 1:39.336 + 2.619
16. Sergio Perez : McLaren - 1:39.360 + 2.643
17. Valtteri Bottas : Williams - 1:39.392 + 2.675
18. Esteban Gutierrez : Sauber - 1:40.032 + 3.315
19. Jules Bianchi : Marussia F1 Team - 1:41.966 + 5.249
20. Max Chilton : Marussia F1 Team - 1:42.056 + 5.339
21. Giedo van der Garde : Caterham - 1:42.083 + 5.366
22. Qing Hua Ma : Caterham - 1:43.545 + 6.828

Kind Regards
Shaky-Schumi

Let me advise you about a very good movie that is coming out soon:

Rush



the story is about the two legendary drivers James Hunt and Niki Lauda on the
rush years of their career.
I don't know the details but it looks great !
Hunt and Lauda... that was yet in the golden era of the Formula 1.

Recommended to all lovers of Formula 1 'cause it seems very well done

p.s. I knew that one day this story made ​​it a film : And Niki for me is a real Mith !!

Red Bull said yesterday :There should NO team orders be given......

But I am doubtfull
schubert.

Chinese GP: the winners (last 6 editions)
2007 Raikkonen – Ferrari
2008 Hamilton – Mc Laren Mercedes
2009 Vettel – Red Bull Renault
2010 Button – Mc Laren Mercedes
2011 Hamilton – Mc Laren Mercedes
2012 Rosberg – Mercedes
In the last 4 editions only 5 pilots on podium: Hamilton and Button(3 times) Vettel, Webber and Rosberg(2 times)
the last podium of a Ferrari driver was in 2008. Here in 2006 Schumacher won his last Grand Prix.
Pole position: (last 3 editions)
2010 Vettel – Red Bull Renault – pole time 1m 34.558
2011 Vettel – Red Bull Renault – pole time 1m 33.706
2012 Rosberg – Mercedes – pole time 1m 35.121
weather forecast: partly cloudy for the whole race weekend but no chance of rain.
Two drs zones with two different detection point: start-finish straight and the very long straight after turn 13,
Season 2013: Team battle(Force India) Sutil vs Di Resta: 1-1 after 2 races
Average position in qualifying: Sutil(10,5°) and Di Resta(12°)
Hamilton. Grid position: 3° at Melbourne and 4° at Sepang. Average position in qualifying(3,5°)

last year gp china podium
1 8 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 56 1:36:26.929
2 3 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 56 +20.6 secs
3 4 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 56 +26.0 secs

.....some news
alonso said that he want to be part of the ferrari team till the end of his career

Shanghai circuit(Chinese GP) – First edition 2004
This circuit is similar to others designed by Tilke. There are 16 corners of varying types and two long straights. The downforce level is medium-high. Tyre: Medium(white stripe) and Soft (yellow stripe). The same combination as last year although of course all the tyres are softer and faster in this season. The track surface is smooth and not much abrasive therefore the strategy will be on two or three pit stops. Key points for tyres are the curves 1 and 13, which leads into a very long straight. The Shanghai Gran Prix is the third race of the 2013 season and Sebastian Vettel is already the leader of the championship, but due to his behavior in Sepang has fueled a lot of controversy. The three-time world champion has passed his team mate Mark Webber despite the Red Bull’s orders were " keep the positions". Team orders have always existed in the history of Formula One, because the races are an individual competition, but there is also the F1 constructors' championship that is worth a lot of money. Anyway in recent weeks, many experts have discussed the problem of the tyres. As request by FIA and FOM(Ecclestone), Pirelli has created tires that have an extremely high wear and some drivers complain because they cannot push their cars to the maximum. Now the most important thing is: “take care of the tires and do not destroy them, too soon”. The race distance is about 300 km and two pit stops mean 3 sets of tyres in every GP. The result: these tyres have a life of about 100 km. Of course doing three pit stops, tyres life becomes even shorter(75 km). Then the question is the following: money thrown to the wind and technology useless or thanks to these tyres we have races more unpredictable and less boring?
kind regards

A little reminder for this weekend :

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Course info characteristics :
Shanghai International Circuit : output low
Route length : 5.451 km
full throttle : 63 percent
Race distance : 56 laps = 305.066 km
Tire wear medium
Lap record : Michael Schumacher (Ferrari) 1:32,238 minutes (2004 )
Brake wear : low
Gasoline consumption : medium

Friday :
1st Practice session : 04:00 - 05:30 cet
2nd Practice session :| 08:00 - 09:30 cet
Saturday:
3rd Practice session : 05:00 - 06:00 cet
Qualifying : 08:00 cet
Sunday :
Race : 09:00 cet

Kind Regards
Shaky-Schumi

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