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imaginator55 wrote:kennyboy2012 wrote:some of you may not believe me, but so far tonight, the show has been excellent. Yes, most of the excellent parts have been in exclusive, but at only 3 or 4 credits, its your choice to enjoy or miss out and sulk.Can you, with your apparently good line of communication to ETV convince them to publish before the show what the content, style, lighting, level of censorship etc will be? RIght now, I do not know what to expect and my experience since november last year is, unfortunately, that most of the time it has been just plain bad. I will not try again unless ETV convinces me that their exclusive stuff is worth buying again and one single report of one single "good" show is not enough. Till then I rather spend my remaining credits on videos of at least half a year ago and hope that they have not been affected too badly by post-censorship or video compression. that's a fair point. Consistency has been a big issue for ETV, and they have been very inconsistent for way too long, I agree, hence ,my comment if this stays like this going forward, I'll be happy That's the key, if they stay good, then great. I cant see anyone being able to publish beforehand, exact details of content, style, lighting, level of censorship etc for a live show that is based on incoming live requests, I think this would be difficult for anyone for a show like this. I do think that they could provide a baseline for some of those details though. style, content, that varies for each excl, and would depend on what was requested, the girl, and other variables that change too much by their very nature. lighting, this depends on the request, so cant be commented before hand, although some shows have been too dark, level of censorship, OK, this could be partly done., ETV could say the show is 'up to' a certain level, but the actual level depends on the girl and the request. I do agree that they need to be consistent with the product where possible, and hopefully this may happen now. we can only wait and see. |
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Scottishbloke wrote:kennyboy2012 wrote:A. Yes I have looked back and I wasn't overly impressed with what I saw. Don't forget, we all like different things. You seem to think its all about the level of censorship and getting it for free. but for me, I like the exclusives because they are like little mini shows, each one its own little scene, I like the tease, the build up, the unveiling. each one being different, like chapters in the overall story of the night. Just one long show with the girls all in the on studio, talking, is boring for me. You: So get this, you send an sms into the show asking to see a Full Strip, only problem is that the model will refuse unless you shell out even more money to go exclusive, its a form of extortion. Me: extortion. : the crime of getting money from someone by the use of force or threats. That's not what they do. Its clear to everyone that full nude is done in exclusive. and its 3-4 credits for the whole of the show, all the exclusives in that show. Let get some perspective here, is the price of a pint ! For goodness sake, its cheap as f*** I cant understand anyone trying to argue and the basis is the price of pint! I would counter this to say that offering it all for free was no longer viable , based on income generated by everyone watching for free, paying/contributing nothing, so they needed to change the business model to still offer something for free, but to also make more of it pay its way. If its given away for free, then its zero income, now it will generate a higher income. The only negative I can see is for those that ring up and want to watch as well, but now need to pay the extra for the exclusives, but given its such a small cost for the excl, shows, then I don't see this as a big issue at all. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree  You keep posting your post and I will do likewise. We'll disagree, that's OK, but we'll stay polite and fair that's what a forum is for, exchange of thoughts and opinions in a polite and fair manner.yes, some will attack ETV, and where I disagree, I will say so. ETV don't get everything right, we all know that, but some on here attack everything they do regardless, and I think that is wrong , and I will say so when it happens unfairly. regards. |
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Scottishbloke wrote:Q. How many years have you been watching this channel for. kennyboy2012 wrote:my answers Thanks for your honesty as that's what I thought which is exactly why I questioned your empathy. Scottishbloke wrote:Q.Please justify your reasons for supporting Exclusive. (Ie - Censorship) kennyboy2012 wrote:A. I enjoy the Exclusives. censorship is nothing to do with it. I don't want too much censorship other than nothing excessive hardcore, for example, toys, that would be wrong. Yes, the censorship levels are a personal taste, we all want differing levels, and lately it had been way to tame. but last night the censorship in the exclusives was so much better and almost just right. Unfortunetly, if you diodnt watch the exclusives, you wont know, so you cant judge or comment fairly, if you didn't see them Its a shame they no longer use toys but believe you me it used to be part of the staple diet of ETV back in the very early days, finding these videos now are like gold dust but it did happen No I didn't watch the exclusives and neither do I intend to either as I can find better stuff for free on the internet Scottishbloke wrote:Q. Did you look back at the older videos of ETV kennyboy2012 wrote:A. Yes I have looked back and I wasn't overly impressed with what I saw. Don't forget, we all like different things. You seem to think its all about the level of censorship and getting it for free. but for me, I like the exclusives because they are like little mini shows, each one its own little scene, I like the tease, the build up, the unveiling. each one being different, like chapters in the overall story of the night. Just one long show with the girls all in the on studio, talking, is boring for me. So what you are saying then is that all exclusives are now better than anything ETV has ever done FTA in the past, very strange, you baffle me, I've yet to read a single positive review of the exclusive shows other than from yourself, in saying that even you've posted a fair amount that you weren't happy with it. kennyboy2012 wrote:OK, Let me ask you a few questions Good morning Kenny fair enough, I shall now answer your question and its actually got nothing to do with me living in the past whatsoever, its down to a level of expectation which a nightshow should deliver which ETV were doing before all this nonsense started, I accept the fact that certain things are no longer permitted due to increased censorship but what makes me baffled is when the censorship is self imposed for nothing more than greed. So get this, you send an sms into the show asking to see a Full Strip, only problem is that the model will refuse unless you shell out even more money to go exclusive, its a form of extortion. If Exclusive were showing a hardcore show with open legged shots whilst the main shows still maintained what they were doing before then I could see where you might be coming from but why what was once ok to do on the mainshow being dragged over to exclusive. ETV resembles something now of an escort club as everything now has to be done behind closed doors, if so then why even bother referring to ETV as a show anymore. I rest my case. |
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kennyboy2012 wrote:some of you may not believe me, but so far tonight, the show has been excellent. Yes, most of the excellent parts have been in exclusive, but at only 3 or 4 credits, its your choice to enjoy or miss out and sulk.Can you, with your apparently good line of communication to ETV convince them to publish before the show what the content, style, lighting, level of censorship etc will be? RIght now, I do not know what to expect and my experience since november last year is, unfortunately, that most of the time it has been just plain bad. I will not try again unless ETV convinces me that their exclusive stuff is worth buying again and one single report of one single "good" show is not enough. Till then I rather spend my remaining credits on videos of at least half a year ago and hope that they have not been affected too badly by post-censorship or video compression. |
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kennyboy2012 wrote:Scottishbloke wrote:...... No kenny this is from the beginning on the 'TV Show' thread. Also etv writes about two shows and media they combine or mix or what ever they try to do. There are more threads for the etv web contend and there was your own thread you had started for the web shows. If you cant leave with negative comments on what you love, thats your problem, but here are a lot of tastes and not all fit into the major opinion and sorry you are one of the minors and so you had to life that more people are not with the same taste, ideas and opinion as you and so you will got more negative than positive comments whereever you write. I think I can say the majority would have this thread for discussions about what we can see in tv and what etv shows under the 'TV Live' button. All others should be discussed in an other thread. |
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Scottishbloke wrote:kennyboy2012 wrote:My argument is that you are trying to apply judgement based on one part of the show, and use that as a judgement of the whole show, and in the process, you dismiss a big part of the whole show, and indeed a part of the show that ETV seem keen to promote and prioritise further. my answers Q. How many years have you been watching this channel for. A. Less than a year Q.Please justify your reasons for supporting Exclusive. (Ie - Censorship) A. I enjoy the Exclusives. censorship is nothing to do with it. I don't want too much censorship other than nothing excessive hardcore, for example, toys, that would be wrong. Yes, the censorship levels are a personal taste, we all want differing levels, and lately it had been way to tame. but last night the censorship in the exclusives was so much better and almost just right. Unfortunetly, if you diodnt watch the exclusives, you wont know, so you cant judge or comment fairly, if you didn't see them Q. Did you look back at the older videos of ETV A. Yes I have looked back and I wasn't overly impressed with what I saw. Don't forget, we all like different things. You seem to think its all about the level of censorship and getting it for free. but for me, I like the exclusives because they are like little mini shows, each one its own little scene, I like the tease, the build up, the unveiling. each one being different, like chapters in the overall story of the night. Just one long show with the girls all in the on studio, talking, is boring for me. OK, Let me ask you a few questions When you see people that have their whole life styled around a certain era, for example, someone that still dresses as if its the 1960,s they listen to 60's music, they watch 60's films, they still live as much as possible as if it were the 60's, Do you think that they are OK to do this and good luck to them, or should they accept that its now the 2010's and they should modernise and embrace the change and catch up with society? What I'm trying to say is that you seem to yearn for a time gone by, a time that is no more, that is past, that is gone. Its like we all had a great in a nightclub last night, but now its the next morning and we are all awake, sober and looking forward to the day, but you want to go back to the nightclub and unlock the doors and get in and pretend its last night, but you cant, the people have all moved on, the bar is closed, the lights are out, and the music stopped. You cant go back, you can only go forwards, but you keep wanting how it used to be. That's OK, to want, but that's in the past, and its gone, fact, regardless of how much you wish it wasn't. You need to accept this, live in the now, looks at ETV as it is now, not then. When you do, you will see it and decide if you want it as it is now, and then either do so and enjoy, or don't and move on, to your next choice that you decide you like. you cant live in a past that no longer is available and no longer exists. ETV of yesteryear is just that, its in the past, times change, and we all have to as well. |
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kennyboy2012 wrote:My argument is that you are trying to apply judgement based on one part of the show, and use that as a judgement of the whole show, and in the process, you dismiss a big part of the whole show, and indeed a part of the show that ETV seem keen to promote and prioritise further. Yes and with good reason Kenny because I know its just not necessary. I think I'll ask you a few honest questions for a few honest answers. It sounds fair I think Question 1 How many years have you been watching this channel for. Question 2 Please justify your reasons for supporting Exclusive. (Ie - Censorship) Question 3 Did you look back at the older videos of ETV. You see I think you need to realise that when you are posting what you are you are coming into direct conflict with staunch ETV fans who have been there since the very beginning, I only discovered this channel in 2008 in which it was coming to the end of its 24/7 anything goes golden era but looking back at all the good times I have an appreciation for what it once was and in my opinion this exclusive nonsense is just another form of censorship so perhaps you could just try and emphasis with some of the stalwarts of this forum which BTW isn't really me but I know a lot of members have been supporting this channel for years and are quite rightly unhappy with the current situation and when you continue to make it known why you support this form of censorship it just doesn't sit well with other members so ofcourse you're going to get lambasted for some of the posts you make. My opinion for what its worth. |
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Scottishbloke wrote:kennyboy2012 wrote:you make a fair point, but of the two threads you reference, one is asking about the value of exclusives and not really a discussion thread for how they are on a night as such, and the other thread was meant for this purpose, but it was hijacked by certain members who just posted negative comments, some relevant, some not, and a lot were posting without even watching the exclusives, so made the thread a mess of posts that took it away from the purpose. Firstly, I do agree, your responses are reasonable and good, and fair but I do reserve the right to disagree, and my reasoning is that if the excl shows didn't exist back then, then this thread is for the whole show, and I would argue that the exclusives are a big and important part of the whole show, more now than ever, with ETV channeling more emphasis on the website and the premium stream. I guess we'll not agree on this, despite logic and good reasoning on both sides. Maybe let Tarl make the call on this, as the author of thread. My argument is that you are trying to apply judgement based on one part of the show, and use that as a judgement of the whole show, and in the process, you dismiss a big part of the whole show, and indeed a part of the show that ETV seem keen to promote and prioritise further. |
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kennyboy2012 wrote:you make a fair point, but of the two threads you reference, one is asking about the value of exclusives and not really a discussion thread for how they are on a night as such, and the other thread was meant for this purpose, but it was hijacked by certain members who just posted negative comments, some relevant, some not, and a lot were posting without even watching the exclusives, so made the thread a mess of posts that took it away from the purpose. Kenny you'll find positive and negative reviews on any Thread with the greatest of respect. I will however agree with you on the point that unless you have actually watched the exclusive shows then its pointless posting on that Thread hence the reason I have not made a single post on that Thread. kennyboy2012 wrote:'The Current Show' to those of us watching the exclusives is a combination of the exclusives, and between these, the fta show, both combining into one show. So potentially, it could be argued that posts about just the fta show are only posts about part of The Current Show , as a product. No I'm afraid you are wrong on this point, Tarl set up this Thread back in 2011 when the exclusive shows didn't even exist, back then I was really only a lurker despite my account saying otherwise but I did still read it and seen the value in it. I think you'll find I've given you a reasonable response. Thank you
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Scottishbloke wrote:kennyboy2012 wrote:with respect, watching the exclusives gives you the opposite thoughts you make a fair point, but of the two threads you reference, one is asking about the value of exclusives and not really a discussion thread for how they are on a night as such, and the other thread was meant for this purpose, but it was hijacked by certain members who just posted negative comments, some relevant, some not, and a lot were posting without even watching the exclusives, so made the thread a mess of posts that took it away from the purpose. also, I use the word 'exclusive' to help identify which part of the TV show I am referring to. AND 'The Current Show' to those of us watching the exclusives is a combination of the exclusives, and between these, the fta show, both combining into one show. So potentially, it could be argued that posts about just the fta show are only posts about part of The Current Show , as a product. maybe you need your own thread too, called 'Now on ETV- the FTA stream only'. but more essentially, you're posting about the end of ETV as a whole, in a thread about the FTA stream, shouldn't you post here [hidden link - please register] and as a last thought, maybe a number of forum members are a bit tired of the contant slating of ETV and declaring that its about to end or go under or fail. We've been reading this on here for monthsm, and its a well worn record thanks dude,
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kennyboy2012 wrote:andreaparma wrote:People like taz and kenny need very poor show to have fun...it seems they have never saw a naked woman in their real life......in italy we say....chi si accontenta gode...... The transparent curtain is enough to understand what we see not to mention i saw some premium in the past and they were poor comparing with previous fta....this is not my opinion, you can find many posts from other members about it |
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andreaparma wrote:People like taz and kenny need very poor show to have fun...it seems they have never saw a naked woman in their real life......in italy we say....chi si accontenta gode...... translated roughly ' who is pleased enjoys ' errrr, well, obviously If I'm pleased, I enjoy. err yes but seriously andreaparma, you don't know me, and you're not watching the exclusives (unless you're breaking your own boycott) , so how do you know if its a good or bad show? |
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kennyboy2012 wrote:with respect, watching the exclusives gives you the opposite thoughts Kenny pipe down with the exclusives will you please as the name suggests this Thread is supposed to about what's actually happening on the FTA Show.I'm pretty sure you posted this Thread - [hidden link - please register] and we also have this Thread too : [hidden link - please register] - If you have anything to say with regards to the FTA show then please do as a number of us are getting rather tired now of the fact that virtually every post you make is backed up with the word exclusive in it. I'm not trying to be rude here, I'm merely stating a fact. Thanks for your time Kenny
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People like taz and kenny need very poor show to have fun...it seems they have never saw a naked woman in their real life......in italy we say....chi si accontenta gode......
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kennyboy2012 wrote:Wilsonsand wrote:R.I.P. ETV Night Shows No Problem paying for hot exclusives, or at least shows online where we see more, like a TV non nude girl, topless and so on, and whilst the exclusives may be hot tonight, they are inconsistent with show levels from week to week, and if you call a model to speak with her, she can only go topless whilst talking to you on TV. I must admit I don't know if they can continue talking on a ConFusion night when nude on the split screen. |
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