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outside wrote:I have nothing to hide and I don't deny anything, but I think it's better to read from italian forum (round and round this is always the main issue, the italian forum) using another translator, different from google one.
The point was one and only, if I didn't want to take part of your crap awards it was in my rights. Fact. Rest is hot air.
You didn't? You were unrespetcful to a legitimate request from a member.
I don't buy you a word, your voting basis was ca 30. voters (what a success ), and the winner was a guy who posts on english section and that I didn't even know he was a forum member, so don't tell balderdash.
And anyway the ambush failed, because this was your goal. Your goal to get direputation to an independet voice who have just the guilt of telling the truth about ETVShow (and it seems facts are supporting me, don't you?). It miserably failed.

I know I have three moderators guns pointed on me, I have to scale even full stops and commas in my posts, because I know you, T_C and of course eigentor are looking for the minimum foothold to bash me, to give me the second warning and so on (it was you who talked about angels because you needed to save your face, and don't deny because I still have PMs archived, and I am still waiting for an answer, which rule did I break?).
T_C post was willingly trolling, as he himself has admitted, and I expected from another moderator just apologies (I still remember you ordered me to resign because I wrote "Natasha è BONA", what you gonna do if that post did come from me?), you didn't (you indeed ran to help a colleague in evident awkwardness, practically backs to the wall) so it means this is another ambush, so I will stop here.
I don't want to discuss with any of three you all, so, just don't bring me in your discussions with other members, as T_C willingly did.

Have a nice day.

Here we go again with the standard false accusations and yes i did warn you for a post and no i will not say sorry !

The false made up crap about mods again and of course my translation was incorrect? now your making even stories up about what i read but with your reply shows me and others that you know the post i mean

Have a nice day yourself outside

cirano wrote:...

"WHEN THERE IS CENSORSHIP, IT'S A SIGN THAT THE SITUATION IS SERIOUS"
Paul Goodman

Well, even in the German constitution which is generally pretty liberal there's a passage that the individual freedom is limited at a point where the rights of others are being violated.
And to make sports of others clearly is such a point.
So don't complain about censorship if you insult others.

Regards
Joker

dazaman wrote:

outside wrote:Well,
first of all thanks that you are so predictable and easy to use.
You first wrote the crying kids were removed from the nominations, bringing me into the discussion.
Then you waited from my answer (of course, since you were bringing up me, who else?).
Finally, you wrote the sentence above.
So, you are admitting your post was just to provoke and troll a member.
You have just violated the rules you claim to make respect here. I was fired from moderators board for quite less.

So this would be a good reason to ignore your post, but since I have nothing to fear and to hide (this is the reason why I am predictable, I have one face only), I'll give you an answer.

Firstofall, I usually talk about myself, I don't know if other people asked to be removed from nominations, maybe they did in private, I did in public because, as usual, I have nothing to hide.
Second, I was nominated by the usual ones, and I don't want to repeat what I think about those. I just told the truth, neither lies, nor insults. If truth hurts, not my business.
Third, what I do at italian forum is not this site business. Do I respect this site rules when I post here? Or maybe do you want to be the law even at my homeplace?
Fourth, I thanked cirano's posts and chris' ones, too. So what? Should I ask you for permission? Hasn't the lodge done the same?
I have officially invited cirano at italian forum, should I ask you permission even about that?
Fifth, now I know I wasnt removed from nominations, this means your (meaning you all, you know who you are) ambush against me miserably failed, and this would explain a lot of things about what am I and what are you (meaning you all again).
And this of course meant staffers were unrespectful to a member denying a legitimate request from him.

So, if I wasn't removed, why did you tell I was first (quite easy: in the awards the crying kids were removed from the nominations)?
This means you told a lie, then or now.

By the way, being a moderator doesn't give you the right to insult me, naming me crying baby first and hypocrite then.
Also because, reading your posts and your attempt to troll me, it seems the hypocrite is someone else (just another example, you first claimed "more than one", they you admitted you were quite referring to me).

Back to relax in my buen retiro at seaside, as every Augusts.

I suppose its time you learned what really happened

You was nominated 3 weeks earlier and you knew that, by quite a few and not just the usuals you posted on Italy just over 1 week before the final votes exactly what you will do in retaliation if you won and don't deny it as i read it so was expecting bullshit coming, you chose to request your name taken down with a couple of days left of final voting and we decided to not count any of yours in the final post thus wasting other members time on you, but that was your plan to disrupt peoples fun and as much as possible on the LSTV board, there where others requested but did it through PM and a couple of weeks earlier and we had no problem taking them from the vote as it was not a last minute game like yours, btw after your i want out tantrum it gives me great pleasure to tell you that thanks to that tantrum session there was a late surge of voting for you and the victory was a landslide but sadly due to your request we had to give it to second place. Now not telling you this and not posting it on the forum you show people such contempt only shows that we respected your wishes

Now the question is what are you going to accuse us of next with your half truths and lies or warped truths, this post is for you of course but you are predictable that even if about someone else then you still try to attack with no grounds but of course you will be offended by this post and tell me that i lie just to save face, Tarl said more than just you and meant it.


Happy holidays

I have nothing to hide and I don't deny anything, but I think it's better to read from italian forum (round and round this is always the main issue, the italian forum) using another translator, different from google one.
The point was one and only, if I didn't want to take part of your crap awards it was in my rights. Fact. Rest is hot air.
You didn't? You were unrespetcful to a legitimate request from a member.
I don't buy you a word, your voting basis was ca 30. voters (what a success ), and the winner was a guy who posts on english section and that I didn't even know he was a forum member, so don't tell balderdash.
And anyway the ambush failed, because this was your goal. Your goal to get direputation to an independet voice who have just the guilt of telling the truth about ETVShow (and it seems facts are supporting me, don't you?). It miserably failed.

I know I have three moderators guns pointed on me, I have to scale even full stops and commas in my posts, because I know you, T_C and of course eigentor are looking for the minimum foothold to bash me, to give me the second warning and so on (it was you who talked about angels because you needed to save your face, and don't deny because I still have PMs archived, and I am still waiting for an answer, which rule did I break?).
T_C post was willingly trolling, as he himself has admitted, and I expected from another moderator just apologies (I still remember you ordered me to resign because I wrote "Natasha è BONA", what you gonna do if that post did come from me?), you didn't (you indeed ran to help a colleague in evident awkwardness, practically backs to the wall) so it means this is another ambush, so I will stop here.
I don't want to discuss with any of three you all, so, just don't bring me in your discussions with other members, as T_C willingly did.

Have a nice day.

outside wrote:Well,
first of all thanks that you are so predictable and easy to use.
You first wrote the crying kids were removed from the nominations, bringing me into the discussion.
Then you waited from my answer (of course, since you were bringing up me, who else?).
Finally, you wrote the sentence above.
So, you are admitting your post was just to provoke and troll a member.
You have just violated the rules you claim to make respect here. I was fired from moderators board for quite less.

So this would be a good reason to ignore your post, but since I have nothing to fear and to hide (this is the reason why I am predictable, I have one face only), I'll give you an answer.

Firstofall, I usually talk about myself, I don't know if other people asked to be removed from nominations, maybe they did in private, I did in public because, as usual, I have nothing to hide.
Second, I was nominated by the usual ones, and I don't want to repeat what I think about those. I just told the truth, neither lies, nor insults. If truth hurts, not my business.
Third, what I do at italian forum is not this site business. Do I respect this site rules when I post here? Or maybe do you want to be the law even at my homeplace?
Fourth, I thanked cirano's posts and chris' ones, too. So what? Should I ask you for permission? Hasn't the lodge done the same?
I have officially invited cirano at italian forum, should I ask you permission even about that?
Fifth, now I know I wasnt removed from nominations, this means your (meaning you all, you know who you are) ambush against me miserably failed, and this would explain a lot of things about what am I and what are you (meaning you all again).
And this of course meant staffers were unrespectful to a member denying a legitimate request from him.

So, if I wasn't removed, why did you tell I was first (quite easy: in the awards the crying kids were removed from the nominations)?
This means you told a lie, then or now.

By the way, being a moderator doesn't give you the right to insult me, naming me crying baby first and hypocrite then.
Also because, reading your posts and your attempt to troll me, it seems the hypocrite is someone else (just another example, you first claimed "more than one", they you admitted you were quite referring to me).

Back to relax in my buen retiro at seaside, as every Augusts.

I suppose its time you learned what really happened

You was nominated 3 weeks earlier and you knew that, by quite a few and not just the usuals you posted on Italy just over 1 week before the final votes exactly what you will do in retaliation if you won and don't deny it as i read it so was expecting bullshit coming, you chose to request your name taken down with a couple of days left of final voting and we decided to not count any of yours in the final post thus wasting other members time on you, but that was your plan to disrupt peoples fun and as much as possible on the LSTV board, there where others requested but did it through PM and a couple of weeks earlier and we had no problem taking them from the vote as it was not a last minute game like yours, btw after your i want out tantrum it gives me great pleasure to tell you that thanks to that tantrum session there was a late surge of voting for you and the victory was a landslide but sadly due to your request we had to give it to second place. Now not telling you this and not posting it on the forum you show people such contempt only shows that we respected your wishes

Now the question is what are you going to accuse us of next with your half truths and lies or warped truths, this post is for you of course but you are predictable that even if about someone else then you still try to attack with no grounds but of course you will be offended by this post and tell me that i lie just to save face, Tarl said more than just you and meant it.


Happy holidays

Tarl_Cabot wrote:

outside wrote:

Tarl_Cabot wrote:

Chris26 wrote:And I'd like an answer: how is this "disgusting", but the mocking LiveShow awards weren't?

quite easy: in the awards the crying kids were removed from the nominations.

My request was legitimate, but I know that it was too hard to some of you to admit I was right.

first of all thanks that you are so predictable and easy to use.
and second I've writen kids which means plural, so more than only one.
and third you haven't been removed from the nominations iirc. ;)

but nonetheless I've needed your answer and your given Thx to cirano & chris to show how hypocritical your behaviour is.

you've been nominated mainly because of your lies and insults towards our forum members made in the italian forum but when you've been nominated here you have asked to stop this although it is/ was your decision to write this way in a public forum so that everyone can read it and know who wrote it especially as all your targets know about that forum and your position in it. If you don't want people to nominate you, there's a simple solution: shut up, or use non-public channels (slightly edited quote from chris26)
cirano's subject of amusement wrote at the etv website where comments either are ignored or for money published at the wall (no reason to be accepted by the etv staff). nobody (or at least I) don't know if he knows about the forums or if he reads any forums.
so the same rights for all or only special rights for you?

Well,
first of all thanks that you are so predictable and easy to use.
You first wrote the crying kids were removed from the nominations, bringing me into the discussion.
Then you waited from my answer (of course, since you were bringing up me, who else?).
Finally, you wrote the sentence above.
So, you are admitting your post was just to provoke and troll a member.
You have just violated the rules you claim to make respect here. I was fired from moderators board for quite less.

So this would be a good reason to ignore your post, but since I have nothing to fear and to hide (this is the reason why I am predictable, I have one face only), I'll give you an answer.

Firstofall, I usually talk about myself, I don't know if other people asked to be removed from nominations, maybe they did in private, I did in public because, as usual, I have nothing to hide.
Second, I was nominated by the usual ones, and I don't want to repeat what I think about those. I just told the truth, neither lies, nor insults. If truth hurts, not my business.
Third, what I do at italian forum is not this site business. Do I respect this site rules when I post here? Or maybe do you want to be the law even at my homeplace?
Fourth, I thanked cirano's posts and chris' ones, too. So what? Should I ask you for permission? Hasn't the lodge done the same?
I have officially invited cirano at italian forum, should I ask you permission even about that?
Fifth, now I know I wasnt removed from nominations, this means your (meaning you all, you know who you are) ambush against me miserably failed, and this would explain a lot of things about what am I and what are you (meaning you all again).
And this of course meant staffers were unrespectful to a member denying a legitimate request from him.

So, if I wasn't removed, why did you tell I was first (quite easy: in the awards the crying kids were removed from the nominations)?
This means you told a lie, then or now.

By the way, being a moderator doesn't give you the right to insult me, naming me crying baby first and hypocrite then.
Also because, reading your posts and your attempt to troll me, it seems the hypocrite is someone else (just another example, you first claimed "more than one", they you admitted you were quite referring to me).

Back to relax in my buen retiro at seaside, as every Augusts.

you say you have a girlfriend and you enjoy being out at night.
and when you are back at home you feel to write posts like yours???
I'm sorry for you, your nights cannot be as great as you want us to believe.
Tarl_Cabot

Yes Tarl. Does it sound so strange to your ears?
When I come home at night, I like to turn on my pc taking a ride in many web places including this one,
and if happens to read insulting posts like the Slowfox one, I reply.
More. Sometime, back home, I use to work all night long, until the sunrise.
Then I go on the beach for a walk and I get the breakfast with croissant and coffee.
After this (only in summer of course), I enjoy the beach, sleeping and soaking up the sun until lunchtime.

I wrote you in a PM, Tarl, "my compliments" to the way you work as moderator.

"WHEN THERE IS CENSORSHIP, IT'S A SIGN THAT THE SITUATION IS SERIOUS"
Paul Goodman

Don't get bitten by one of these spiders, Brazilian wandering spider (Phoneutria fera)

Deadly, If you survive, then a bite can cause extreme pain for days, including a painful erection which can lead to impotence.

Watching ETV used to cause the same symptoms.

HvB wrote:Luckily you're totaly objective.That's why you certainly have a source for

or is it also just 'persobal perception'?
In that case Mr_Niceguys post must have hit a nerve ...

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They're all ready for the Molvanian war.

Tarl_Cabot wrote:first of all it's their life and not yours so shut up. you aren't in the position to judge about others lifes.
and the fact that some have the possibility to post comments like the made is not explanation nor reason enough to do so. staying quiet and accepting others life and decisions (at least if they cannot answer) is something about respect and behaviour. obviously things that are mssing for too many persons in this forum.

You included, of course, or you'd know that also in this case you could've shut up as you advise others to do.
It's their life, but it's their choice to boast it in public, and so I don't see anything wrong in jugding it.
Surely many other people lead a similar life and they keep it quiet.
Everything you just wrote is your own opinion, and I'm not required to agree with it.
I think.

And, T_C, if you're hitting on Outside because he asked not to be put into the nominations, for the same reason you should be treating even worse those who are complaining about this Wall-related joke.
Of course, that'd require impartiality, so it's a losing battle.

Not to mention, once more, that if nobody had insulted Cirano for his initiative, none of this would've happened. So I'm wondering who is to blame.
EDIT: Also, I seem to recall that basically the same thing happened with Hilbert a few months ago. Again, I'm wondering who was to blame, back then.

I'm sorry but can someone explain to me in few words what's this WALLS OF TEXT are all about? Something tells me that it's not worth to read it all, lol.

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outside wrote:

Tarl_Cabot wrote:

Chris26 wrote:And I'd like an answer: how is this "disgusting", but the mocking LiveShow awards weren't?

quite easy: in the awards the crying kids were removed from the nominations.

My request was legitimate, but I know that it was too hard to some of you to admit I was right.

first of all thanks that you are so predictable and easy to use.
and second I've writen kids which means plural, so more than only one.
and third you haven't been removed from the nominations iirc. ;)

but nonetheless I've needed your answer and your given Thx to cirano & chris to show how hypocritical your behaviour is.

you've been nominated mainly because of your lies and insults towards our forum members made in the italian forum but when you've been nominated here you have asked to stop this although it is/ was your decision to write this way in a public forum so that everyone can read it and know who wrote it especially as all your targets know about that forum and your position in it. If you don't want people to nominate you, there's a simple solution: shut up, or use non-public channels (slightly edited quote from chris26)
cirano's subject of amusement wrote at the etv website where comments either are ignored or for money published at the wall (no reason to be accepted by the etv staff). nobody (or at least I) don't know if he knows about the forums or if he reads any forums.
so the same rights for all or only special rights for you?

Chris26 wrote:This is mere wishful thinking. I, on the other hand, would like to see the "richness of life" of people who spend most of their time talking to a girl for money (not to mention that of people who defend these people like it's something normal), take the example of the person who's reserving Ju for hours every day, for more than 200€ each time. This is not normal, and is not a sign of a normal life, no matter how you look at it. Is he free to do that? Of course he is, but he can't expect people not to mock him and not judge him. Just like I mock people who send heartbroken SMS or who write mawkish posts, and we go back to what I wrote in a previous post: you don't want people to mock you? Shut up or just call and/or send e-mails, that way the public will not even know about you. Seeing countless people writing love SMS to the models who respond with stuff like "you're a true friend", "I've been thinking about you all the time", "Where were you? I have so much to talk to you about" personally disgusts me, because it's a vile and revolting way to take advantage of people's weaknesses, and it's what ETV is doing right now with their "best customers", who are unaware that when the show (or, in the worst cases, even the call) is over, models and staff very often laugh together (..."all the way to the bank", as a popular saying goes, although this is harder in recent times). People are gullible and so, yes, they will be mocked, but there are worse individuals.

first of all it's their life and not yours so shut up. you aren't in the position to judge about others lifes.
and the fact that some have the possibility to post comments like the made is not explanation nor reason enough to do so. staying quiet and accepting others life and decisions (at least if they cannot answer) is something about respect and behaviour. obviously things that are mssing for too many persons in this forum.


@chris26 & Watcher (looks great together, or? )
not only e,t and v but some (probably only a very small some) models and the transponder frequency, too.

@cirano
yes, I'm a forum moderator but being a mod it's not required to spend my time with the life of the forum member but only with their posts. ;)
and as you wrote something about your privacy I'll do the same.
I neither watch any (so called) erotic shows on Astra nor do I read the etv website or any other forums.
the shows because it feels or would feel like wasted time for me and the etv website & forums I've stopped because of reading only (or mainly, who cares) hypocritical lies and often insults, too. and yes, nonetheless I'm still a moderator in this forum. why? because I've accepted this (free time) more than 3.5 years ago and as long as Genaro is absent I feel reliable for the etv schedule and it's simply the wrong time to leave. but as he'll be back and I won't have time for this next year I'm glad to know that this periode of my life will end and the end isn't far away. yes, between all the stupid ideas in my life the forum mod decision is still a candidate for the Top 3. not the (mainly etv) shows are the problem but it's simply because of my very limited time and I don't wanna waste my time for people following the I hate etv but cannot live without it religion. so e.g. when I've been out in the evening/ night I've stopped to spend some time with reading the forum, mainly because at night I'd find posts like yours.
you say you have a girlfriend and you enjoy being out at night. and when you are back at home you feel to write posts like yours??? I'm sorry for you, your nights cannot be as great as you want us to believe.

enough time wasted for this summer weekend. have a nice weekend and maybe some will spend it with things/ activities they like.

from all what I read in 'Yoghurt Gate' I realize there are not dumb people involved.

it's a pitty to see this intelligence being wasted for just offending people who can not defend themselves, or just to make some noise to be recognized.

And for what ? Basically for nothing !

Chris26 wrote:< snip >
As Cirano has written, for my part, I like ETV, I don't like the people behind it: the staff, the viewers, the pimps (which can belong to one or both groups). I also don't like some models, but that's another point.
< snip >

So you like the letters E, T & V then ...

@Chris28
So what you are saying is, people are not allowed to enjoy ETV cause this means they are not normal, but it is normal to constantly point this out to them?

Chris26 wrote:The rest of what you wrote is a distortion and your personal perception, probably because some of these comments hit a nerve.

Luckily you're totaly objective.That's why you certainly have a source for

Chris26 wrote:The rest of what you wrote is a distortion and your personal perception, probably because some of these comments hit a nerve.

or is it also just 'persobal perception'?
In that case Mr_Niceguys post must have hit a nerve ...