Eurotic's website & webstream

Well a lot has been said about the latest webexperiment from ETV, what hasn't been said upto now is that from all the ill considered attempts to bring ETV to the web this one seems to be the first to actually survive the initial stages or maybe already has done so. Some digging around with finding formulas is still going on and some have been terrible, some were briliant. The division between exclusive shows and premiums seems to be a definite one and they both have their ups and downs both for the viewers and for the models (and the channel). It seems the ups have the upper hand or it would already have been cancelled altogether. However it seems to have gone at the cost of the normal TV shows. On the other hand if I dig deep into my memory the normal tv shows have always gone up and down troughout the years so considering that it could be considered as just another downsicle.

conclusion: I think we have to get used to the web being here to stay.

Angelika wrote:Evah with long pants in the ELS

what a disaster!!! why even pay for this???

off to bed early today

Yep the best pi** taker of them all. You sound suprised

Who acts only on web is of that class whose I couldn't talk without using unpleasant epithets.

Dreamlander in Wonderland ...

Just watched a very beautiful Premium hour with Alice! It was paced to perfection with Alice embracing the theme and revealing that gorgeous body of her's superbly over the hour with a wonderfully sensual and erotic finale! Well done,Alice!

Dreamlander

Evah with long pants in the ELS

what a disaster!!! why even pay for this???

off to bed early today

nice light blue pants today evah

still love the remote cam, best invention since kleenex

Hello Gentlemen,
May I have your attention please for a bit.
Now that Timi and Naomi left ETV, I believe that one of the goals of ETV is
the right combination between a free economy and social policy that addresses
the needs of society and creates equal opportunity.
Therefore, we need black models to feel the gab of multicultural policy as everyone
has to have a fair chance at being in ETV shows.
Finally, for the private sector to flourish, special privilege must give way to equal
opportunity and equal treatment for all.
With all due regards.
JohnGuitar

nighthawk wrote:Mr. nighthawk, maybe you are right, i guess it´s because my poor english.Maybe you are right, me and neither the 14 guys who liked my post (thanks guys :thumbup



best regards.

Aha, now I understand better.
It depends from the quantity of thanks if a comment is good, bad or concerns the matter.
What Mr_Niceguy tried to explain is that a Lady is performing a show (we can also say she is working) for 4 hours and get 5€ for it.
Would you work for 5€ / per hour ? Hm? Because not the whole amount goes to her (would go to you).
It's a pity that some employers (not only ETV) let people work for this little money and say:
If it isn't enough, go to the Social Wellfare Office to get the rest up to the breadline
That's the true scandal and what Mr_Niceguy tried to explain, I think.

Best Regards

and it doesn't matter, how many thanks I will get for this comment [/quote]


no one forces the models to work there and for molvanian standards they make good money and can afford things other students of their age could not. and if they can live with working in the sex business and showing their punani there is absolutely no need to feel pitty for them.

nighthawk wrote:What Mr_Niceguy tried to explain is that a Lady is performing a show (we can also say she is working) for 4 hours and get 5€ for it.
Would you work for 5€ / per hour ? Hm? Because not the whole amount goes to her (would go to you).
It's a pity that some employers (not only ETV) let people work for this little money and say:
If it isn't enough, go to the Social Wellfare Office to get the rest up to the breadline
That's the true scandal and what Mr_Niceguy tried to explain, I think.

Best Regards

and it doesn't matter, how many thanks I will get for this comment

What is this? A new strategy to get some more members? Moving to pity economic class travellers to convince them to buy some first class tickets?

A good reason to get away as soon as possible in my opinion. No one forces them to stay there.
But in whatever else place they would have to work, for real.
Just there they could get money for nothing.

nighthawk wrote:What Mr_Niceguy tried to explain is that a Lady is performing a show (we can also say she is working) for 4 hours and get 5€ for it.

Eehh?
It was 5 Euro for 4 hours per viewer. You think they had only one viewer ?
If they could attract, let's say, 100 viewers, it wouldn't be a bad hourly wage.
So the question is why they can't get many viewers.

Anyway...the 4 hour Premiums were a bad idea, no matter for which charge.

Surely the models ain't getting rich there, and I would love to see them earn more, but that's not my/the viewer's fault.
Has more to to with the business demeanor of ETV.

nighthawk wrote:Aha, now I understand better.
It depends from the quantity of thanks if a comment is good, bad or concerns the matter.
What Mr_Niceguy tried to explain is that a Lady is performing a show (we can also say she is working) for 4 hours and get 5€ for it.
Would you work for 5€ / per hour ? Hm? Because not the whole amount goes to her (would go to you).
It's a pity that some employers (not only ETV) let people work for this little money and say:
If it isn't enough, go to the Social Wellfare Office to get the rest up to the breadline
That's the true scandal and what Mr_Niceguy tried to explain, I think.

Best Regards

and it doesn't matter, how many thanks I will get for this comment

Hi, i don´t know how many money the models get for their job, and i don´t know how many they get for every credit the customer spend. You or Mr.Niceguy know it?

Answering your question, i would do it if i have no other work and i have to eat. I agree with you it´s a shame when the employers pay so little to the workers, yes, it´s a big current problem. Personally i don´t feel shame to say I don´t have much money, even i could say i am poor and my situation it´s not good for some reasons, and i am 11 hours out of home everyday for little money, i do what i can, and i try to do my work the best i can, trying to find something better. To me, as customer, lower prizes are good, and i don´t feel bad because of that. If the shows are good and cheap i will spend more money, if lower prizes can make more customers joining the shows and more money to ETV, maybe the models can get more money too. If the people stop buying the shows because they think it´s expensive, and ETV offers bad shows in return, they will lose customers..money..and the models too.

finally, I don´t mind if i receive more or less thanks, i´ve been attacked here several times because my comments, and i always try to tell what i think even knowing i will receive hard critics as i´ve received many times. If i talked about that people is because i wanted to thank them for it, and because maybe that guys agreed with my point and they understood it in the same good or bad way than me.

best regards

WILSONSAND wrote:

nighthawk wrote:Oh Mr. Wilsonsand
I doubt that you understand
what Mr_Niceguy meant


Best Regards

Mr. nighthawk, maybe you are right, i guess it´s because my poor english.Maybe you are right, me and neither the 14 guys who liked my post (thanks guys :thumbup



best regards.

Aha, now I understand better.
It depends from the quantity of thanks if a comment is good, bad or concerns the matter.
What Mr_Niceguy tried to explain is that a Lady is performing a show (we can also say she is working) for 4 hours and get 5€ for it.
Would you work for 5€ / per hour ? Hm? Because not the whole amount goes to her (would go to you).
It's a pity that some employers (not only ETV) let people work for this little money and say:
If it isn't enough, go to the Social Wellfare Office to get the rest up to the breadline
That's the true scandal and what Mr_Niceguy tried to explain, I think.

Best Regards

and it doesn't matter, how many thanks I will get for this comment

nighthawk wrote:Oh Mr. Wilsonsand
I doubt that you understand
what Mr_Niceguy meant


Best Regards

Mr. nighthawk, maybe you are right, i guess it´s because my poor english.Maybe you are right, me and neither the 14 guys who liked my post (thanks guys :thumbup



best regards.

WILSONSAND wrote:From ETV Wall, Mr.Niceguy:
"... In all honesty I feel it is totally unacceptable a show this good could be seen for only 5 credits. You cannot really put a price on what Mashi or any other model for that matter is giving to the viewer. What we should at least give her is the respect she/they deserve(s). Asking only 5 credits for a 4 hour premium is doing exactly the opposite, In doing so you are opening the door for other disrespectfull behavior towards models and I can imagine it taking a toll on these wonderfull girls selfesteem. I understand you are trying to run a business and you are trying different ways to attract customers and this discount show was a means to that end. However in my opinion this will be very counterproductive in the medium term. I have never written on the wall as I didn't want to bother you, but I feel very strongly about this. I hope you will consider my feelings on this matter as you try to imagine yourself in the models position and how you would feel in that position. Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself..."

And sorry, i can´t believe what i´ve read, i agree the shows were good, but...what is this? Maybe this is the first time i know a customer ask for more expensive prizes....¿? Maybe Mr. Niceguy wants shows only a minor elite of rich men watching the shows...and i wonder...what is better for the selfesteem of the models: 10 guys watching a 10credits shows or 25 guys watching a 5 credits show? 10 or 25 customers?

Mr.Niceguy says it´s an "totally unacceptable" prize, because 5 credits hurts the models selfesteem. But, who Mr.Niceguy does think they are? Bar Rafaelli o Giselle Bündchen? No, with all due respects, and they know it (exception made with Karry, sorry... ). I don´t think this girls are not superstars to make expensive shows. They are amateurs, and they know perfectly well where they are working and who are working with. Some time ago, Mashi was doing hotter shows for free without this "extra" money of this premium shows.

I think 8 euros for 4 hours of show is right as attracting customer strategy. If they do that, it´s because they want more customers, and that´s why they set lower prizes and discounts.

Anyway, take a look at the shows: the models spend almost 15 minutes/show or even more at micro, x4 shows= 1 hour at micro, so you are really watching 4-1=3 hours of pure show, what is almost the duration of The hobbit, the last film from Peter Jackson, and is almost what i must pay for enjoying this mega production at cinema with a super big screen.

Anyway, ETV cried because the show with Mashi, Kristina and Tia had almost no viewers, (i think that is worse for the models selfesteem) so if ETV wants being alive, and wants more people buying the shows and finally, if ETV wants money and paying that great artists like Mashi, or Suzy or Jeit , it seems cheaper prizes are a good choice, (i think there was a good number of customers watching mashi, so it seemed the prizes strategy worked well), and if they don´t get money, this great artists will lose their work, what could it be worst for their selfesteem.

I think the models must fight for their selfsteem making respectable their job. And the first who don´t respect their job is ETV, making them working in stupid and exhausting shifts, and producing the shows with a shameful censorship that destroys their job all the time, or their own creativity, eroticism and talent because absurd artistics pretensions from the staff. By the way, in my opinion, the gifts selling strategy with so expensive prizes should shame someone, and shame is not very good to selfesteem. Maybe they lost it all to accept it all, or maybe they don´t know what selfesteem or shame it is after so many time working with this guys.

p.s.: I do not think the measure of respect is the cost of their shows, but their work and their attitude with the customers.

Oh Mr. Wilsonsand
I doubt that you understand
what Mr_Niceguy meant


Best Regards