Eurotic's website & webstream

vappiano68 wrote:For example the fact that you accept and you are happy that ETV has deliberately destroyed the fta daily content, just in order to create a "little club".

You seem to have me confused with someone else. Apart from the old joke of not wanting to be part of a club that would have me as a member I watch very little ETV these days (web or TV). I just don't find the models very interesting.if you are looking for a paid up member of the club speak to Wilsonsand. I repeat I would love to see a similar show on FTA TV. The poor guy on the phone would certainly want his money back though.

Wilsonsand wrote:Its ok if you, or someone else, is willing to pay for seeing her smoking, trying to make people laugh like a clown or whatever...

Wilsonsand wrote:One more thing: be sure when i make some critic about a show, it´s because i know what i am talking about.

You might want to stop quoting the above then.

Actually although you mention erotic a lot you never actually say what that means for you. This is what I found erotic last night:

The "in your dreams" airport strip "tease" (also very funny)
The shadow show (Evah is the best mover in ETV )
The angles between legs and body created on the rope.
The ice show
Evah teasing the static camera
The flashlight highlighting parts of the body
The camera angles during the rollerskating (cheeky!)
The bubble shower (see The shadow show)
The painting show (thats one sexy belly!)

None of the above appeals to you? Actually I would love to see another great model like Mashi do something similar. With clothes. Now that would be different and sexy as hell.

Tarl_Cabot wrote:they found a group that always pays and they abstain from a group that never pays.
if they care most for this group it will mean that this group covers most of etvs costs.
they cannot pay a single camera man with a the used tissues of a free viewer.

But there are also other questions, Tari:

- in order to take care of this "group that always pays" with premium webshows, they have further costs.
So "X" (original costs) has increased to "X+Y" (current costs) ;

- a group that always pays does exist since the beginning, and it seems to pay (most of all) for what can be showed on fta.

So, in the whole structure, there's only one winner: people who take advantage from ETV's further costs (Y):
web designers, web mainteiners and editorial strategists.
I hope these roles are indipendent among them (one from each other), otherwise the reason for this
"therapeutic persistence " called "Eurotic's website & webstream". would be easily explained .

Tarl_Cabot wrote:

kolokotronis wrote:They found group of viewers who always want . Softers , and fetisist, dont ask much , and give them more . Again congatulation to etv stuff. Other old viewers like me, can watch something else until etv will be again erotic chanell , if will be again erotic. Regards

wrong pov.
they found a group that always pays and they abstain from a group that never pays.
if they care most for this group it will mean that this group covers most of etvs costs.
they cannot pay a single camera man with a the used tissues of a free viewer.

Why you are so sensitive always with my comments about etv? I was viewer, not watcher ,i was paid for them , like more other here, but i was never a fanboy .So you are wrong., about people who never pay.Maybe there are people who dont want to be fooled of them now.

But we agree that this group of softers , and fetisist cover most of etv costs,they always pay without to care if show is erotic or no. So difficult will be again erotic shows from this chanell, in near future, normal in way that was in golden age of this channel.Yes they care to earn easy money,and they do it , because of this i give the congratulations.In the same time they lost totally , erotic direction, but who cares if money coming isnt it?
And sorry , but all people can be wrong even and you Tarl.

Regards

kolokotronis wrote:They found group of viewers who always want . Softers , and fetisist, dont ask much , and give them more . Again congatulation to etv stuff. Other old viewers like me, can watch something else until etv will be again erotic chanell , if will be again erotic. Regards

wrong pov.
they found a group that always pays and they abstain from a group that never pays.
if they care most for this group it will mean that this group covers most of etvs costs.
they cannot pay a single camera man with a the used tissues of a free viewer.

vappiano68 wrote:From what I've heard the last step of ETV is the following:

1- Removal of every kind of action from the FTA daily shows.
With "every kind of action" I mean all that none of the regulators can forbid according censorship rules.

2- Money demand in the internet premium, even for shows that could be easily broadcasted 24/7 on every free channel.


And some guys, here, are even happy about this...
When I joined this forum 7 years ago I couldn't imagine we can reach this level...

I agree totally with you. Until will be viewers who pay for exclusive reserved shows , to speak only with dressed models, the most of the time with ju, or joanna, until will be viewers who will pay to bye gift for models, until will be people who are in love with virtual models, who want to watch them even dressed , and pay for them for premium shows, why etv to change content of the shows? I have really to congratulate to them , and really i wish to make in future only premiums with dressed models. They found group of viewers who always want . Softers , and fetisist, dont ask much , and give them more . Again congatulation to etv stuff. Other old viewers like me, can watch something else until etv will be again erotic chanell , if will be again erotic. Regards

@robert

I understand your point and i respect it. I understand you are a Evah fan and you are happy seeing her in any situation. Its ok if you, or someone else, is willing to pay for seeing her smoking, trying to make people laugh like a clown or whatever...you find it erotic, i don´t. Even without watching it i was perfectly able to imagine Evah wouldn´t do anything above my erotic criteria. And even before Ava show, i can say she lately did, in my opinion, bad and artificial performances in premium shows, much worse of what she is doing in the fitting room. So, maybe i am wrong and she will make an incredible show very hot and fully naked, but i would bet it won´t happen, even ETV advise about the softness, so i prefer not paying 4 credits for that. And even if i am wrong and that happens, i have the chance of buying the show later on videos section, right? This is simple: I don´t like it, i don´t buy it, you like it, you buy it. For you is a right offer because you can see your favorite lady on screen. Ok, For me is not because i still conceive ETV as an erotic channel and i expect erotic shows, that´s all. Maybe i am too demanding and i still remember better times. I would leave if i would not know they have great girls and they can do good shows, at least better shows. And I don´t think some contains worth it credits, like the recent talk shows or shows like yesterday from Evah, it´s my opinion, but of course everybody is free to think the opposite, and buying whatever. I think this way is causing disappointment and frustration on many customers who are leaving and stop buying shows: But it seems (as they say on the wall) they "don´t mind".

I don´t deny anything to anyone, i only express my preferences, and i think there are a long day in tv to see soft models doing soft shows, even there are several hours to see soft models in reserved shows, blocking another kind of more erotic web shows. I think it´s enough and i think premium shows should be something that could not be broadcasted in daytime on TV because more hot and erotic contains. It´s my opinion. But all is about money, if there is good income with soft shows, there will be probably more.

One more thing: be sure when i make some critic about a show, it´s because i know what i am talking about.

regards, and keep enjoying Evah.

robert wrote:PS I would be delighted to have an hour long show dedicated to my favourite model every week on TV.

Robert, I understand this, but there's something else I don't understand.
For example the fact that you accept and you are happy that ETV has deliberately destroyed the fta daily content, just in order to create a "little club". I simply mean that many hours (not only one) could be dedicated to your favourite model every week.
It's very simple to organize a good camerawork with 4 models on the screen (number of models during the daytime).
ETV's crew is able to do this, as they did in the past, and you could enjoy many hours of sexy girls during the day.
No regulator can impose to a channel the ridiculous content they produce everyday on the sat nowadays.
The web should be used only and exclusively as a complementary tool for content forbidden on TV.
On the contrary they use the web to forbid on daily fta sat what none of the regulators can forbid, just in order to follow the stupid idea to create a "little club" which accepts with happyness everything they produce.

It's very hard to understand what satisfaction can be found in this way.

It´s a fact that they are able to produce shows with erotic interaction and also that there are models that are going to really enjoying this actions.
Examples are easy to made (for example the shows between Angelina and Charley on the 1th October and also the bohemian nights). But also in this erotic moment quite always cameraman or director are able to destroy all changing the point of view and showing something different.
It´s reality that exists censorship and i think that for something broadcasted on internet as a pay-tv it´s really a shame.
I as a customer if the situation is going to remain as today i will never anymore buy credits.
I hope that someone of the management understand that many customers are unhappy and that they can loose at the end viewers and money.

Wilsonsand.

You have put across your point of view on what is erotic very clearly and consistently on this forum. I understand, even if I don't agree with, your erotic rulebook. Also I cannot match your appetite for, and knowledge of, Premium web shows but I do have credits too and when an offer comes along I might enjoy then it would be nice, just once, to not have to justify it.

I find it a little strange that "your erotic criteria" seeks to deny other viewers the occasional chance to see something a little different. I also find it strange that you assume (even review) shows without having watched them and before they happen.

And yes I did find last nights show erotic. I also found it funny, charming, intriguing and in one section surprisingly moving (the cigarette bit). In other words it was entertaining and worth the credits and I would be happy to watch a similar show on a regular basis. Presumably the popularity, or lack of it, will determine whether this will happen and if I am the only one that buys it wont.

I thought you might have appreciated a short break from your search for erotic perfection. After all there have been hundreds of Premiums to date.Variety is good for the soul you know.

PS I would be delighted to have an hour long show dedicated to my favourite model every week on TV.

Tarl_Cabot wrote:according to your posts are 90% of the shows not worth to be watched

I didn´t say that. That is your own conclusion. What i said is that i would like a better offer. This week offer is very soft, and in fact they advise about no nudity to prevent complaints. Some shows are good, in fact, just yesterday, Selena and Kia made a good show, but the matrix II premium shows this week are a joke for me, and a very expensive joke.

Like vappiano says : "shows that could be easily broadcasted 24/7 on every free channel."
That are the shows i don´t like they produce, and i don´t like the theatrical scripted or embarrassing shows,and i don´t like the abusing of darkness, fog, smoking, the stupid censorship (arbitrarily applied) and other usual resources ETV uses to destroy the shows. If that means 90% of the shows (i don´t know) then you are right.

From what I've heard the last step of ETV is the following:

1- Removal of every kind of action from the FTA daily shows.
With "every kind of action" I mean all that none of the regulators can forbid according censorship rules.

2- Money demand in the internet premium, even for shows that could be easily broadcasted 24/7 on every free channel.


And some guys, here, are even happy about this...
When I joined this forum 7 years ago I couldn't imagine we can reach this level...

Wilsonsand wrote:If i wrote that it is because it is a pity ETV is offering this kind of shows, and because i would like to find something better, it´s easy to understand i would like a more interesting shows offer, ...

after this point one must ask because according to your posts are 90% of the shows not worth to be watched:

where do you search and what have you found so far?

Watcher wrote:I am at a loss.
Why does this upset you so much?
You surely have no intention of watching this ... do you?

Usually i ignore your comments as you often talk about the guys who writes here, asking ironic questions to them or quoting them (especially the critical ones) instead of commenting the shows and being in topic. But i want to answer you, because it is useful to me to begin the point.All that i want is a channel offering good and hot shows, producing erotic performances, not stupid things, absurd, comic or shameful theatrically performances absolutely not erotic. I don´t want the censorship and i don´t want childish shows of girls who are less dressed in the gym than in a web show for an erotic site which costs 4 credits, so it answer your question. I wouldn´t pay a cent for ridiculous shows performed by (with all due respects) nuns who are not willling to make anything decent above my erotic criteria, so no, i didn´t watched. Moreover, i should be payed to watch something like that, one hour of my time it´s important to me.

If i wrote that it is because it is a pity ETV is offering this kind of shows, and because i would like to find something better, it´s easy to understand i would like a more interesting shows offer, and even in soft premiums, they could do better things better than a girl trying to make the viewers laugh like a clown or doing nothing sitting on a chair but smoking, sorry, that is not erotic, at least for me. And i think they could offer much better things, really, that was the point.

Watcher wrote:

Wilsonsand wrote:who understands this people?

in the new storyboard for the new Matrix show II premiums, they have included 2 stupid and not erotic performances: the "stand-up comedy show (the model will try to make the viewers laugh)" (now this is Saturday Night Live, or?) and a stupid "soap bubble show" .This way there are not enough time for the good shows for doing stupid things like this. Also they didn´t remove the "roller skate competition", which it was not good enough performed by any model..they all had enough with staying on without falling!!! Shadow dance could be the perfect show for a soft model, but they have not enough time for perfoming it in the right wayt, this is an absurd marathon!

I am at a loss.
Why does this upset you so much?
You surely have no intention of watching this ... do you?

maybe he's frustrated because he would like to watch some show this week and he understood none of the shows could be interesting for him?

oh, well. anyway dont try to understand, too much work for your mind

The acting section of Evah's show was yet more illegal smoking of cancer sticks! With Angelina behind the scenes I suppose this is what we have to look forward to more often from now on. I hope refunds are available as no warning was given again and this has destroyed the show for me.

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