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Wilsonsand wrote:I agree Dreamlander, but never paying more to complain about a show already payed, sorry. I don´t know what ETV said then, but after Lauren last show, Rebeka finished her second show smoking so.....

p.s.: out of Molvania, decent companies offer to the customers free ways for claiming or complaining: usually a free customer services available which gives you an answer inmediately or in a few hours. That´s the way, not spending more money in another product (Vip sms) to get an answer. This happens because ETV laugh on their customers and they usually ignore the complains they receive and (usually) don´t give any answer or explanation.

p.s.2: @nuttyboy, right, Rebeka was naked under her towel. In fact, she was all the shows naked under her clothes .Even Ju is naked under her clothes After more than 60 premiums, maybe there should be something more than nudity under the towel, don´t you think?

Precisely the problem.
Since the model is required to respond to a VIP message, making her feel uncomfortable in answering for her action (smoking) may make her reconsider in the future.
Isn't that worth a few Euros?

Exactly.

ETV do offer a free way of contacting them by email. After you press 'send' though there's no telling what will end up happening to it. You have no idea if it is read, who might read it, when they might read it, or if they just print it off, roll it into a tube and smoke it!

I chose to contact the model directly because it was instant, a way of letting a girl know right away what you felt about something she did. I'm under no illusions as to who does or doesn't smoke in actuality or if they are telling the truth or not, I've long since given up on that. The fact that Angelina rules the roost there suggests it will never go away completely, like the domination obsession. Watching the shows, Lauren and Rebekah obviously had no plans to include it in their shows until Angelina handed them the cancer sticks...what a caring 'boss'!

I've watched/bought all of Lauren's 15 minute Premium shows so far and sent many positive and encouraging messages during the shows. She knows who I am and that I watch her shows. Not the 2-hour show of course because there was a warning beforehand...-6 credits to ETV. I just felt that, at it's base level, the message would appeal to Lauren's, and everyone's, need to make money and keep the customer satisfied to some extent. Serruptitious as a means to an end on my part because my main concern is always their long term health but worth a try anyway. She said her reply and that was enough. Enough that she saw it and understood how I felt about it. Enough that the other girls could read it too. Enough that everybody working in the studio could see it. Enough that everybody watching in Europe on their TV's could see it. And enough that all those viewers, all over the world watching online could see it. 4 credits was a bargain in terms of 'advertising' or making my point for me. I think it serves it's purpose far greater than any email or diatribe on The Wall could ever do.

So, for my own purposes, regardless of truth, lies, deception, money-grabbing, 'one-born-every-minute-ness' assumptions and accusations here, it was a very well spent 4 credits. If Lauren doesn't smoke in the rest of her Premiums, as promised, then I will continue to watch her, she is blossoming into a very good, very sexy model. If not, I will stop as I always have my favourite girls.

I will agree though that, with such a contentious issue as smoking ( legality-disgust-dislike-non-erotic etc. etc. ) ETV should give clear and obvious warnings of it's inclusion in any and all future shows ( on the web that is, they are not brave or stupid enough to do it on TV ). That would be enough for me because as long as Angelina and her cronies hold sway at ETV, nothing like, the law, customer satisfaction or ETV's profits will stand in the way of sheer bloody-minded 'Bohemianism'.

Dreamlander

This way of complaining it´s profitable to ETV, but i guess not much effective. All people there smoke, they do it and they will do it anyway. It´s part of their "bohemian artistic charm". I don´t know what was Lauren´s answer to the sms, but i guess she said something like "sorry" words, i doubt promises for changing. Now Lauren, and also ETV (ETV knows it long time ago, and they don´t stop doing it, but at least they warn it sometimes) knows some people don´t like her smoking in premium shows. We will see what happens in the future, but i don´t trust enough in a complaining system based on few words of sorry from a model or empty promises after a "uncomfortable" sms for some euros, without any kind of guarantee of changing for better or visible actions. Words are only words. In spanish we say "las palabras se las lleva el viento", something like "Words are gone with the wind" . Today she can say whatever (very likely what people wants to hear) and tomorrow she can be smoking again in one of that bohemian premium shows that ETV like so much to produce, regardless if you like it or not. Models smoke and will keep smoking, but the responsible is ETV, and ETV must warn it, then you can shose if you want to pay for that or not, so that´s why i said this complains should be answered from ETV, not from the models. If the model wants to smoke in the show, ETV should warn it before, not warned: no smoking, that´s all. I would like ETV would not allow smoking in the shows, but that´s impossible.

After the complaining VIP sms, Rebeka finished her premium show just... smoking, it tells a lot what ETV and the girls think about this complains.

cirano wrote:Now that's the way to complain
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Pay to complain.
Very smart idea.
It's funny.

I'm glad you think so. It's called 'having conviction', 'putting your money where your mouth is', rather than just whinging in the corner and boring everybody around you.

1 daypremium show costs 1 credit
1 vip message costs 4 credits

so he paid 5 credits for a not liked show...

The value for money is for Dreamlander to decide.

...the next time my suggestion is to send them another complaining vip message
if they did not answer to the first one...

...it would be only 9 credits for a 15 minutes show

and continue ad infinitum? There are many who act in a similar way here.
As Albert Einstein said: "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

Well done Dreamlander, an excellent example to all who complain here
Approved by the Etv's propaganda office.

Side effects.
If Etv brains will understand (and they will do it) that earn is much more by doing premiums getting negative criticism (translated in vip messages),
one is for sure: premiums will be more and more worst...
... and a lot of cigarettes will be smoked more in there.

I have a feeling that you and your fellow brains at Etv's propaganda office may have miscalculated.

(Etv)it's an erotic channel with class and style not a vulgar porn one.
Nighthawk

I want tell [...] the people who often blame you for being a slave of money, [...] this is far what you are.
Giuseppe T

Instead of keeping throwing money at a channel after moaning time and time again about the shows being produced. Or paying money to complain !!!?!! (One born every minute ) just hit them where it hurts and keep your money in your pocket till the shows get to a level that pleases you. Simple ? For some it seems.

Wilsonsand wrote:I agree Dreamlander, but never paying more to complain about a show already payed, sorry. I don´t know what ETV said then, but after Lauren last show, Rebeka finished her second show smoking so.....

p.s.: out of Molvania, decent companies offer to the customers free ways for claiming or complaining: usually a free customer services available which gives you an answer inmediately or in a few hours. That´s the way, not spending more money in another product (Vip sms) to get an answer. This happens because ETV laugh on their customers and they usually ignore the complains they receive and (usually) don´t give any answer or explanation.

p.s.2: @nuttyboy, right, Rebeka was naked under her towel. In fact, she was all the shows naked under her clothes .Even Ju is naked under her clothes After more than 60 premiums, maybe there should be something more than nudity under the towel, don´t you think?

Precisely the problem.
Since the model is required to respond to a VIP message, making her feel uncomfortable in answering for her action (smoking) may make her reconsider in the future.
Isn't that worth a few Euros?

I agree Dreamlander, but never paying more to complain about a show already payed, sorry. I don´t know what ETV said then, but after Lauren last show, Rebeka finished her second show smoking so.....

p.s.: out of Molvania, decent companies offer to the customers free ways for claiming or complaining: usually a free customer services available which gives you an answer inmediately or in a few hours. That´s the way, not spending more money in another product (Vip sms) to get an answer. This happens because ETV laugh on their customers and they usually ignore the complains or questions they receive and (usually) don´t give any answer or explanation, something reprehensible.

p.s.2: @nuttyboy, right, Rebeka was naked under her towel. In fact, she was all the shows naked under her clothes .Even Ju is naked under her clothes After more than 60 premiums, maybe there should be something more than nudity under the towel from her, that´s what i think.

cirano wrote:. . . . 1 vip message costs 4 credits . . . .

in molvania more than enough to get 2 marlboro-packages, one for Lauren, one for Angelina . . .

Now that's the way to complain

Watcher wrote:Now that's the way to complain.
Don't just whinge about things here, go to the source. A VIP message answered live on screen.

Well done Dreamlander, an excellent example to all who complain here

Pay to complain.
Very smart idea.
It's funny.

1 daypremium show costs 1 credit
1 vip message costs 4 credits

so he paid 5 credits for a not liked show...

...the next time my suggestion is to send them another complaining vip message
if they did not answer to the first one...

...it would be only 9 credits for a 15 minutes show

Well done Dreamlander, an excellent example to all who complain here
Approved by the Etv's propaganda office.

Side effects.
If Etv brains will understand (and they will do it) that earn is much more by doing premiums getting negative criticism (translated in vip messages),
one is for sure: premiums will be more and more worst...
... and a lot of cigarettes will be smoked more in there.



(Etv)it's an erotic channel with class and style not a vulgar porn one.
Nighthawk

I want tell [...] the people who often blame you for being a slave of money, [...] this is far what you are.
Giuseppe T

yep rebeka did a great show being naked under her towel and showing a lot more than i have seen her show before but spoilt at the end by a fag so angelina probably gave it to her at least rebeka just seemed to be acting rather than actually having a puff on it hard to tell though with the new bright stream

Watcher wrote:Now that's the way to complain.
Don't just whinge about things here, go to the source. A VIP message answered live on screen.

Well done Dreamlander, an excellent example to all who complain here

Yeah, it was more to quell my own disappointment and annoyance than anything else though. I'm a realist. I'm a customer who spends a lot of money. Lauren is new and still in 'appeasement' mode because she hasn't been there long enough to get serious fans yet, so that tainted her reply somewhat. She is a sweet and sexy girl but no 'non-smoker' can inhale a cancer stick like that and not roll around the floor in convulsions afterwards. If she keeps her promise then, at the very least, I'm not helping and paying for a show where a girl seriously damages her health in the name of 'eroticism' that doesn't exist, for me at least. Mind you, Angelina is still in control and she has a very different view that eschews customer preferences in favour of her own.

I did appreciate Lauren's answer though and if ETV continue to warn of smoking in the shows beforehand then I will know which shows to save my money on.

Dreamlander

Is it just me or is rebeka getting hotter with her shows just like lorena still teasing but heading in the right direction

What was said I've been out and missed laurens second show di they apologise?

Now that's the way to complain.
Don't just whinge about things here, go to the source. A VIP message answered live on screen.

Well done Dreamlander, an excellent example to all who complain here

Lauren's second Premium was going along very sexily indeed. Then Angelina handed her a Cancer Stick for the last couple of minutes. Well done again guys, you really know how to destroy a show!

Obviously, no warning this time, or I wouldn't have purchased it. Again, thanks ETV!

Dreamlander

nuttyboy wrote:Anyone else noticed that whoever is responsible for the premium stream is about as subtle as bull in a china shop this week when they finish a show?

Yep. Instead of stop, start, fade in, fade out, encrypt, decrypt, private, public options to hit with their caveman club, they now only seem to have 'ON' and 'OFF'! Mind you, this new minimalist approach seems to have seeped into the running times of the shows too as more and more frequently, there appears to be less than 900 seconds in 15 minutes. There was a 12m25s show the other day and several that barely make it to 14 minutes, as can be evidenced if you buy a 3-show video and it rarely has a 45 minute running time. Although, there was a 21 minute Jade show recently, which was nice.

Dreamlander