Eurotic TV - General Discussion

I am curious once, how long it lasts to one of 3 new models in the night show appears.
If generally.
In the remaining shows ETV has really enough models.
Only in the night show one sees always the same models.
I ask myself why is in such a way.
Then, nevertheless, it creeps slowly indeed a monotony.

So... the question was asked lately, and yes, VIP SMSs are corrected before being showed. That's no relief since almost everybody speaks German quite bad (except Ju)...

The verb is ALWAYS on the second place in a sentence ; that's not so hard to understand...

Chris26 wrote:

HvB wrote:How many 'high rollers' you think there are?
What percentage of the income are they responsible for?
Above questions are necessary to determin the number of 'normal' customers needed to get roughly the same result.
How do you get rid of the 'high rollers'?
How do you attract an appropriate number of 'normal' customers?

I'll play your game and pretend to ignore your puking attitude and answer your questions.

1) Can't really say, also because not everyone boasts about it like some eminent members here. My guess is no more than 20.

so with your numbers that would make €90000/month

Chris26 wrote:2) A lot. I like to think of myself as someone who spent quite a lot of money, also for long calls, and a long call already is like more than 10 shows for someone who only writes 1 SMS for every show. Compared to those people, I'm already earning ETV much more income than them. By comparison, the high rollers spend amounts that are about tenfold or more of what I spend. So, due proportions made, I'd say "a pretty high percentage".

pretty high means? more 60% or more 90%?

Chris26 wrote:3) No need to get rid of them. I personally find them pathetic and amusing but I understand they're needed for income just like normal customers. ETV just needs to cater to every kind of viewer and not only them (quick example: how is someone supposed to contact Roshana during an ELS if he only wants to speak 30 minutes and every single one of her shows is reserved?).

That won't change if you don't get rid of them ... so you will have to (at least partly) get rid of them

Chris26 wrote:4) By providing a good product, which in ETV's case means good shows with a balanced turnover of models who are willing to work hard and do (within their limits) what the customers are paying for. Attitudes like "I'm not going to do any single one of these wishes but I have to answer these messages anyway" is proof of my theory that some models are treated with more leniency because ETV has to please those high rollers.

And what is a good show?
Fulfilling the balloon blowing and feet show requests?
I can't see a proof in that. In best case I would be willing to see an interest in having models generating calls and messegas in a show (and for sure the directors are interested in that), but I wouldn't see the source of the income being a reason for different treatment (of course we keep in mind that according to your guesses 'a high percentage' of the income is generated by the 'high rullers'.
So when instead of the 20 'high rollers' you assumed, 7282 'normal' customers would jump in, your calculation would would work (if we assume that all the customers use the website, so the full amount goes to etv).

Chris26 wrote:Remove this need, and you remove the possibility for those models to act this way. Remove this possibility, and the shows will improve for everybody.
Oh yeah, the high rollers will not be pleased, then...

Hey, 20 unhappy customers, we just have generated close to 7300 new ones, should be no problem to add some additional ones to feel better, right?
And for sure the models ignoring even messages from the 'high rullers' risking them to be pissed off will now happily fulfill the requests of a couple of hundred others whom they don't really know and each of which is in comparison totaly unimportant? Sorry, I don't get this logic. But for sure I know we will see a lot of 'hi, I'm the model waving, oh, gone ...' and of course we will have a lot of parallel requests as everybody stays only for some minutes, which of course all will be fulfilled to everybodys complete contentment. You really think this would be possible?

Chris26 wrote:

Mr_Niceguy wrote:@Chris
Did you come up with this fantistic theory yourself or did you get this intel straight from the source... ?

Do you really believe what you write?

Seriously?

Good luck with that!!!

No need for sources when I read posts like yours.

Imagination is a beautifull thing

HvB wrote:How many 'high rollers' you think there are?
What percentage of the income are they responsible for?
Above questions are necessary to determin the number of 'normal' customers needed to get roughly the same result.
How do you get rid of the 'high rollers'?
How do you attract an appropriate number of 'normal' customers?

I'll play your game and pretend to ignore your puking attitude and answer your questions.

1) Can't really say, also because not everyone boasts about it like some eminent members here. My guess is no more than 20.
2) A lot. I like to think of myself as someone who spent quite a lot of money, also for long calls, and a long call already is like more than 10 shows for someone who only writes 1 SMS for every show. Compared to those people, I'm already earning ETV much more income than them. By comparison, the high rollers spend amounts that are about tenfold or more of what I spend. So, due proportions made, I'd say "a pretty high percentage".
3) No need to get rid of them. I personally find them pathetic and amusing but I understand they're needed for income just like normal customers. ETV just needs to cater to every kind of viewer and not only them (quick example: how is someone supposed to contact Roshana during an ELS if he only wants to speak 30 minutes and every single one of her shows is reserved?).
4) By providing a good product, which in ETV's case means good shows with a balanced turnover of models who are willing to work hard and do (within their limits) what the customers are paying for. Attitudes like "I'm not going to do any single one of these wishes but I have to answer these messages anyway" is proof of my theory that some models are treated with more leniency because ETV has to please those high rollers.

Remove this need, and you remove the possibility for those models to act this way. Remove this possibility, and the shows will improve for everybody.
Oh yeah, the high rollers will not be pleased, then...

Mr_Niceguy wrote:@Chris
Did you come up with this fantistic theory yourself or did you get this intel straight from the source... ?

Do you really believe what you write?

Seriously?

Good luck with that!!!

No need for sources when I read posts like yours.

Chris26 wrote:I think the "actual conclusion" from my thoughts should come from my mouth (keyboard, in this case), not yours.

Even if you don't conclude that, you delivered pretty good argumentation for that conclusion and actually better argumentation than for the point you wanted to make.

But lets pick up your point.
So instead of the 'high rollers' you want to 364 'normal' customers for each of them From your numbers, the 'high rollers' pay around €4500/month.That would make it €12.36/month for a normal viewer. Ok.

How many 'high rollers' you think there are?
What percentage of the income are they responsible for?
Above questions are necessary to determin the number of 'normal' customers needed to get roughly the same result.
How do you get rid of the 'high rollers'?
How do you attract an appropriate number of 'normal' customers?

I'm sure you have already put much effort into finding out that figures, so the questions should be easy to answer.

@Chris
Did you come up with this fantistic theory yourself or did you get this intel straight from the source... ?

Do you really believe what you write?

Seriously?

Good luck with that!!!

HvB wrote:Hmm, I guess we have seen some examples of high rollers switching models, and also examples of viewers, that don't spend any Cent leaving when their favorite leaves ...
I actually doubt that any of the groups act much different than the other ones, but even when the percentage would be different, the drop in result would be relevant in any case.
So the actual conclusion from your thoughts is, that no matter what kind of customers we look at, etv should avoid any changes to the cast to avoid the drop in revenue you predict.
Hmmm ...

I think the "actual conclusion" from my thoughts should come from my mouth (keyboard, in this case), not yours.
My opinion is that ETV are currently focusing on a batch of no more than a couple handfuls of customers who spend up to 1.000€ a week to interact in any way with a single model they are in love with (I'm talking about them, not about people who don't wish to have friendships or similar stuff and who spend money for wishes). Interaction varies from calls, to SMS, to presents (costly ones also).

Undoubtedly they are an enormous source of income for ETV, to the point they actually agree to be toyed with as long as they can speak with their love, and also a reason why some models are treated with more leniency than others - ETV know that such "high rollers" are attached only to them and so they do everything they can to please those models.
Of course I'm not talking about people who switch their "favourite model" every 2 months. Those people, ETV knows very well that they can do whatever they want with them (= nothing), because they'll always come back one way or another.

I understand this strategy from a short-term perspective, but not from a long-term one. I guess it all boils down to what ETV is planning to do.

Chris26 wrote:

HvB wrote:Now lets pick up that thought and assume that you are right and one of the ... lets call them high rollers ... leaves when 'his' model leaves. What would make the 364 (calculated from your figures) 'normal' users stay when their favorit model leaves?
Why should they act different?

It's easy. There is a much higher possibility that a "normal" user likes more than one model and is prepared to spend money for more than one model (sending wishes, buying premiums, whatever).
I liked Kate. Kate left. I still paid for other shows.
Angelina was my favourite once, but the only criterium for being my favourite was that she always gave her best in the night shows. I sent her messages, I called her, when she stopped doing shows that I deemed good, I changed model.

When your goal is not to establish a "mental" connection with your favourite model and/or develop some twisted kind of friendship, it's not a problem to actually like other girls. And we all know that many "high rollers", if a certain girl should leave ETV, would probably cut their veins their day after.

Hmm, I guess we have seen some examples of high rollers switching models, and also examples of viewers, that don't spend any Cent leaving when their favorite leaves ...
I actually doubt that any of the groups act much different than the other ones, but even when the percentage would be different, the drop in result would be relevant in any case.
So the actual conclusion from your thoughts is, that no matter what kind of customers we look at, etv should avoid any changes to the cast to avoid the drop in revenue you predict.
Hmmm ...

HvB wrote:Now lets pick up that thought and assume that you are right and one of the ... lets call them high rollers ... leaves when 'his' model leaves. What would make the 364 (calculated from your figures) 'normal' users stay when their favorit model leaves?
Why should they act different?

It's easy. There is a much higher possibility that a "normal" user likes more than one model and is prepared to spend money for more than one model (sending wishes, buying premiums, whatever).
I liked Kate. Kate left. I still paid for other shows.
Angelina was my favourite once, but the only criterium for being my favourite was that she always gave her best in the night shows. I sent her messages, I called her, when she stopped doing shows that I deemed good, I changed model.

When your goal is not to establish a "mental" connection with your favourite model and/or develop some twisted kind of friendship, it's not a problem to actually like other girls. And we all know that many "high rollers", if a certain girl should leave ETV, would probably cut their veins their day after.

Chris26 wrote:Of course if anything happens to those customers (I'm not talking about deadly accidents, uh, they might get bored and do something else, they might use up all their money, or, even worse, their favourite girl might leave), ETV will go down the drain.

By catering to all customers, even those who spend a little, the loss of a customer wouldn't be so agonizing for them.

Now lets pick up that thought and assume that you are right and one of the ... lets call them high rollers ... leaves when 'his' model leaves. What would make the 364 (calculated from your figures) 'normal' users stay when their favorit model leaves?
Why should they act different?

lucifer70 wrote:they put in front of us a group of useless girls, which, however, had the advantage of costing less than a hot model.

Now, they've made the same choice, a group of unsuitable (it is enough to take a look at the last two arrived) part-time girls which have only one advantage slashing costs.

Interesting ... what makes you think it is that way?

lucifer70 wrote:As I said ETV will never fail cause there will always be someone willing to pay, it doesn't matter how bad the show or unsuitable models are.

You have to understand their reasoning. For example, from my point of view, in a year I've spent quite a bit of money for ETV. I mean, looking behind I can safely say that from my perspective it's "a lot".
There are a few customers that spend 7 times my amount in a week, and for them it's not even "a lot".

Of course ETV is free to cater to them before anything else.

Of course if anything happens to those customers (I'm not talking about deadly accidents, uh, they might get bored and do something else, they might use up all their money, or, even worse, their favourite girl might leave), ETV will go down the drain.

By catering to all customers, even those who spend a little, the loss of a customer wouldn't be so agonizing for them.

EDIT: and of course, there are also the viewers you mentioned in your post, as we say here, "as long as she breathes", meaning that what's important for them is to "abspritzen" every night at a certain hour, regardless of which girl is on air.

It's really useless to complain, until ETV will follow this low profile strategy, we will not see good shows or high-level models.
As I said ETV will never fail cause there will always be someone willing to pay, it doesn't matter how bad the show or unsuitable models are.

The history of ETV is a circle, they retrace the same path. In 2009, with the advent of censorship, they put in front of us a group of useless girls, which, however, had the advantage of costing less than a hot model.

Now, they've made the same choice, a group of unsuitable (it is enough to take a look at the last two arrived) part-time girls which have only one advantage slashing costs.

They themselves know that their girls haven't a great popularity, in fact, they have virtually erased the ELS. But using these girls in a number of premium shows with discounts and promotions they are able to bring home some money.
Quantity rather than quality (quality costs money and effort).

But if now watching ETV means to give them money to be teased by Carrie, or look at the evolution of granny Kiara or take a look at the tits of Aida, Mia, Annabelle, Jeit ... etc.. I think that this is really not enough to push me to give them even a single euro.
In addition, we're living in 2013 if life really doesn't offer anything better, you can simply surfing the web and there you'll find million tits of all shapes and colors (many of them much better than the ones proposed by ETV), but above all, absolutely free.

These shows are so similar to a fast food without protagonists, without imagination, without eroticism, without emotion, childish, ridiculous and trivial, they are definitely not to my taste.

Some say that those who criticize ETV always use the same arguments ... and it's sorrowfully true, but what else should we talk about?

We should talk about the directors, the special features of the models, great performaces, good shows, fantasy .... music?
No, nothing, ETV don't let us nothing more but only a dry list of prices.