Eurotic TV - General Discussion

voncall wrote:Good Morning Wilsonsand
Many compliments for Your post, for me it describing the actual situation of ETV, Thanks
I started watching ETV from beginning and I saw all the changes , may be that censorship has
a responsability in actual show (i.e. at the beginning it was possible hear the phone call )
After this " First period" there was periods of boring/good shows until actual shows
If ETV, will continue to broadcast, for my opinion, must do shows
with more "Teasing action" , but this in the Brain of ETV staff?

Wilsonand you are spot on, and congratulations to be able to show the facts.
I prefer more teasing action so I cannot see why we are not able to see down a blouse or nearly a panty close up, up a skirt etc. I still maintain its with the staff, eg Sandra never was a good model for showing or teasing etc in my opinion, vicki never was a good model and hated her blouse being pulled down in font of camera.
Hans well we will not go there. Models like Gia actualy the only truly sexy model left gets ignored, is it out of pure jealousy ?

Now in the afternoon show we see Evah and Brona, yes sexy but again not wanting to show much now controlling the shows and talinkg too much, everyone now seems to be wearing pants or granny tights.
Night shows are the same models doing the same sh*t, look at tonights line up.

The very thing that made the shows at etv was the mobile camera caressing each model filming where the eyes would follow, mostly manned by a male cameraman, who knew where to look and therfore point the camera.
Lastly I think all the down grading of the etv chanel is down to women staff mostly.
Bitchiness, jealousy,man hating and just not being a man and what a man wants to see

All my opinions and never will be paying to etv profits again unless there is a big change in either staff models' look at tonights line up' or philosophy

Good Morning Wilsonsand
Many compliments for Your post, for me it describing the actual situation of ETV, Thanks
I started watching ETV from beginning and I saw all the changes , may be that censorship has
a responsability in actual show (i.e. at the beginning it was possible hear the phone call )
After this " First period" there was periods of boring/good shows until actual shows
If ETV, will continue to broadcast, for my opinion, must do shows
with more "Teasing action" , but this in the Brain of ETV staff?

WILSONSAND wrote :

"The show loses. This talk sms dynamic unfortunately has become become some sms customers in stars of the show (we all know some of them, i feel sorry especially for Kate), and forcing the models sometimes to stupid comments, absurd and unnecesary explanations...horrible. The damage for the show can be a serious problem if many calling customers feel bored and prefer to leave or just expend less money."

My comment :

...and this is so true.
Poor little Kate must tell to her owner (the one who claims "my girl")
much too many times how much she loves him and misses him and thinks of him.
What it really looks like in her mind she cannot show.
It needs strong psychic control not to vomit but keep smiling.
I fully agree that the show looses. Even though it is ONLY show-business.

I want to write something about current ETV shows now that the year ends, because i think there is a very damaged vicious circle in this last 2011 ETV shows. The increasingly censorship and restrictions are leaving a increadingly narrow space for creativity, fun and the erotic resources/repertoire are significantly reduced, limiting the models job, and because of this, the remaining few options become a routine. This routine resources are used over and over again with a total lack of imagination and bad production from ETV staff in a suicide strategy that burns it all. Then, the self-destructive restrictions, delete this resources (absolutely burned), leaving one more time a narrower space for creativity and giving the way to a new more inocent, crazy, and far from erotic pretensions, that comes from a less demanding hot performances customers.That new little repertoore, increasingly soft, less erotic and more stupid (sorry, it is my opinion, biceps show, f.e. is it really erotic?), become a rooutine, and then the circle starts again till the next self destruction. The ballon ride was forbidden recently, now we can see a binding show every night. We will see in how much time it will be forbidden too.

Because of this restrictions and the increasingly limits and limitations from remaining options:

-models are bored and unmotivated , without space for her own creativity, they are like caged or handcuffed, tight to the same routine. That causes the impression of "Déjà vu" (i´ve seen this show already) The lack of accesories in the studio, a repeated and right comment i´ve read this days, doesn´t help too much.

-ETv is cornering itself to a decreasing and small room because there is no stop to the restrictions and there is no imagination to become the remaining possibilities in something hot and erotic.

-Customers are changing. Old customers are seing how ETV is destroying its past, being less erotic everyday, and many of them feel bored with current shows, with a really danger of losing interest. There is a new type of customer (including old customers readjusted), less demanding and very confortable in the new friendly-sms-talk-soft-wish show, full of messages of people in love and devotion.

-Changes from ETV are failed , and every change leaves a worst legacy for the future, running to the opposite direction of eroticism, just possibly the short direction to easy money. One of its strategy (this direction) is the sms-wishes-interactivity, mainly supported by new customers. This new strategy is a open door to the "curious" (i won´t be bad) wishes from this customers, that makes the show a permanent talk-show, sms carousel commenting, with most of the time unfulfilled requests and permanent cuts from direction/regie that break the rythm of the show and make the show unwatchable. Cuts and interruptions of the performances from the models that unmotivate them and push them to the inactivity, and boredom. The show loses. This talk sms dynamic unfortunately has become become some sms customers in stars of the show (we all know some of them, i feel sorry especially for Kate), and forcing the models sometimes to stupid comments, absurd and unnecesary explanations...horrible. The damage for the show can be a serious problem if many calling customers feel bored and prefer to leave or just expend less money.

They have deleted the shower show (too much water? wouldn´t it be possible a more clever management of the show?), they have deleted the office show, the car washing show (clumsily produced in evening shift, why not in night show? why never?) They have replaced the old shower with a cabin full of reflections that doesn´t allow to see anything, let´s see:
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Better don´t talk about liveshow.me project and what they have done with the streaming in the web.

These are the current shows from ETV now, and if we can stop a moment and see the old (many of them not so old) images from the past:
-with clear pussy closeup shots from Angelina
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Lin
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Kristina
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Calomira
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Amy
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or Sabrina
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(i choosed this ones, but there is a lot of examples, you know...)

- REAL kisses, licking:
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- good lesbian actions, REAL INTERACTIONS:
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We all can see the difference. What you see above is not so far, almost all the models are current models. But it´s obvious they don´t seem the same.

Anyway i try to be positive and i wish ETV, the models, and especially to you a very happy new year , full of good shows and hot and erotic moments from ETV. Thank you fro reading my posts, thanks for your videos, for your posts, and thank you to the moderators, who does a very good job here.

Some changes are needed in ETV in my opinion, i hope it will happen in 2012, it´s my desire.

voncall wrote:Hallo Wilsonsand
I only now read Your post of Yesterday and I fully agree
Now we are a lot of peolple claiming the same things
It's time that ETV staff take in consideration to read this post and take care of proposals
An Hope for the newcoming Year

Well not seen more than an hour of etv now since Gia was last on, no point.
What is left !

Nuns and grannys wearing tights and fully done up tops in the aft
Two cameras that see from afar and cannot be pointed between legs or even panties
Absolutely no sexiness or atmosphere from camera crew or directors or studio
Looks like a shop full of mannequins from 22.05 till end of show
Why oh why do people still ring up the studio

Tonight is the 1st night of anticipation for a long long time and Roshana will either make the night, tease and show little every now and then or
break it and strip off 22.03 and then nothing to chase, back to normal shows naked all night and nothing else to offer

Hallo Wilsonsand
I only now read Your post of Yesterday and I fully agree
Now we are a lot of peolple claiming the same things
It's time that ETV staff take in consideration to read this post and take care of proposals
An Hope for the newcoming Year

Over the last few days scenes of the girls fighting seem to be getting popular. Well-- we know what happens when too many requests for a certain subject arrive-- they ban it lol. During the night the fight scenes could be enhanced with the girls wearing tiny pants in a small inflatable ring covered in oil. Oh-- sorry I forgot-- that may be deemed too sexy or erotic for a night time show. My point is that the shows are so 'safe' and predictable these days. Night after night the same moves and poses. I can't take any more zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

WILSONAND you are corect in every way.
I struggle to understand why bring old models back andnot new models forward into the vacant slot, surely there should be a natural move forward as models go. The night bunch to date are quite boring with what they have to offer. Tale clothes off stand naked and that is it end of the show, bit of cream job done.

Etv should force the softer older models forward into the night show. We know Evah can be sexy but chooses to dress like a nun, Brona for some reason changes into something sexy for a dance then back to a nun.
Jessica has been braless and the newer models who left all had potential to be sexy at night, not naked just a bit of sexiness.

So etv, change the rules a little, get the old and new softies into the night show, in skirts and loose tops no granny tights, hand cameras and see more sms come through from new viewers again incl mine.

If we add the limitation of lack of creativity and/or motivation from some models + the increasingly limits in wich they are in because this such destructive ETV censorship + the uselesness and lack of imagination from ETV staff to take advantage of the remaining possibilities to offer something good, we have the current shows and the latest stupid failed projects.

They forbidden the ballon rides, (i've said before it doesn't like me too much because a wrong way of production and a boring and routine general attitude from the models), kisses are forbidden, pussys are forbidden, models even can't touch each other in a real hot way and the lesboshows are ridiculous, too much comments to the sms until becoming the shows in a tv talk-show without a watchable rythm, (continuous cuts break it), dissapeared office show, dissapeared a total wasted car washing show, almost dissapeared the old shower shows replaced by a horrible cabin full of light reflections... The models are bored, the shows are boring. The horizon doesn't looks very promising for the new year. I hope i will be wrong.

Wow, Roshana yesterday looked amazing. Why can't all the models be allowed to dress like that.
Is it models choice or just a bad wardrobe at ETV becuse that dress has done it's rounds for sure.
Anyway braless and short skirt with bare legs very, very nice.
It's New year next week so out with the old ( I don't like to show too much flesh models ).
And in with the new, Roshana and the newer models and buy some new clothes for their wardrobe.
Get this channel moving again !

Hi Hilbert, just watched your video here
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When I see these things I realize that the world where we live is extremely ill.

From my point of view the most beautiful thing between a man and a woman is "to make love".
To make love means that the man and the woman have a good time, pleasing one each other.

There's much more respect calling a girl and even speaking in an explicit way about sex, rather than to stay for more than 1 hour at the phone with a girl,
asking for this kind of stuff, because this doesn't show any kind of will to give pleasure to the woman,
it's only the wish to satisfy some ill instincts!

This should be censored by our poor Europe, not 2 tits or a pussy!

Do we really think that a kid who can see this and who considers a woman as a "robot" to please some ill fetichism
is better than a kid who loves a woman, her naked body, and the excitement you can feel with her?

This should be the the protection of minors?

Poor world full of shit !

Tarl_Cabot in Karrys discussion thread wrote:

zorgaux wrote:

HvB wrote:Nice to see her keeping promises she never made ...

It's not nice to see that you speak of a promise she never did and especially to you HVB . She may have promised to do a night show, but nothing else. She never promised to do a full strip, or show her breasts, or being naked in the shower. All this goes out of the imagination of one of his fans., he thinks he can make her do what he wants, but he is mistaken.

and you are sure that you have listen to and understood all answers Karry gave in german or english to Ludger?
and e.g. a promise for a shower in a night show isn't necessarily a naked shower, or?

btw: I think I have recordings of all her shows. so give me date and time and we'll get an answer.

Unfortunately this is the result of ETV's new course and this is the strenght of ETV:

instead of a discussion about a good show, we have to get crazy to pay attention to all that a model says in every shift and in every language .

Not only: also to what the moderators say about the models.

And, at the end of all this listening, we will be at the starting point...

Do you remember Natasha?
Before she was scheduled for the nightshows she said she was shy...
Do you remember her shyness during her nightshows ?

Less words and more facts in that studio would be a good solution .

vappiano68 wrote:

kyke50 wrote:

Michael_N wrote:Etv staff makes everything for I stop watching their show. I think lots of viewers agree with me.

Everything seems to indicate that it is like that, but what I do not understand it is which can be the reason to do that.
It is to go against its own interests (if there are less spectators, there is less money) and that is not logical.

If we exclude our friend "Logic" , there's only one logic left in ETVland:

the logic of "money".

Since ETV isn't a "No-profit" group, it's clear that the economical aspect has to be considered.
The strange fact is that the economical aspect is the only one kept in consideration nowadays.

The "Philosophy" of ETV has changed: no interest in producing good shows.
Just the interest in keeping models busy, airing a lot of "self-censored" stuff featuring many "cold girls".

The target has changed: no people who loves a "spicy show", not a large number of occasional customers, but a narrow number of people who spend hours making "virtual love" at the phone, being excited for what they hear, not for what they see.

Simply an editorial choice.
It's their right.
But it would be nice if they would stop to tell us a lot of "fairy tales" about what they cannot do.
ETV is the only channel for which the rules change day after day.

It's very hard to believe at these reasons as the explanation of the absolutely low level of the shows.

As I said already in another thread,
I think that while ETV gains sufficient money, with what it extracts of the fetishists (although they are a minority),
they will continue without listening to the majority, that the only thing that we wish is a little of quality in the shows.

HvB wrote:

Panda wrote:What has logic to do with ETV??

he is a viewer like all of us ...

vappiano68 wrote:If we exclude our friend "Logic" , there's only one logic left in ETVland:

It seems I chose the right nick name - famous without do anything.

kyke50 wrote:

Michael_N wrote:Etv staff makes everything for I stop watching their show. I think lots of viewers agree with me.

Everything seems to indicate that it is like that, but what I do not understand it is which can be the reason to do that.
It is to go against its own interests (if there are less spectators, there is less money) and that is not logical.

If we exclude our friend "Logic" , there's only one logic left in ETVland:

the logic of "money".

Since ETV isn't a "No-profit" group, it's clear that the economical aspect has to be considered.
The strange fact is that the economical aspect is the only one kept in consideration nowadays.

The "Philosophy" of ETV has changed: no interest in producing good shows.
Just the interest in keeping models busy, airing a lot of "self-censored" stuff featuring many "cold girls".

The target has changed: no people who loves a "spicy show", not a large number of occasional customers, but a narrow number of people who spend hours making "virtual love" at the phone, being excited for what they hear, not for what they see.

Simply an editorial choice.
It's their right.
But it would be nice if they would stop to tell us a lot of "fairy tales" about what they cannot do.
ETV is the only channel for which the rules change day after day.

It's very hard to believe at these reasons as the explanation of the absolutely low level of the shows.