Eurotic TV - General Discussion

pollopollo wrote:A problem is not also that one the new models at all so knows.
Why one does not do from every model a small video and passes the ball in the evening show between 21-22Uhr.
Then one can decide and does not buy the cat in the bag.

Sorry, but I didn´t understand it all (or I just smoke to much )

Very good; Not buy the cat in the bag , Could be a famous quote from Trapattoni or Lothar Mattthäus

A problem is not also that one the new models at all so knows.
Why one does not do from every model a small video and passes the ball in the evening show between 21-22Uhr.
Then one can decide and does not buy the cat in the bag.

"....Watching your favorite ETV girl less disturbed by camera switching...."

Sorry, what favorite girls? This is the fact of the matter. How can there be favorite girls as in the past if these girls come and go like clouds in the winter?
No one of them stops for long enough, the performances are mediocre, no appeal, no desire to do their jobs properly because they know that it isn't important.
A girl in a NS, must attract a customer, entertain the customers on the phone, interact with the client and do a show for him.
None of these models can do it properly. Premiums, however, are easy, the customer pays and that the show is good or not it doesn't matter, the money is in the pockets of ETV now.
What stimulus have the girls to do something better? Starring in a show sold at a discount? Sold her image as cookies .. buy one get three?
Let me explain, just look at a five models show only a year ago and look now at any Tuesday of this 2013.
The difference is abysmal.
A show that guaranteed high earnings sacrificed in exchange for what?
The NS all sacrificed in exchange for what? Tens of hundreds of phone calls and sms lost in exchange for what? 2/4 credits per show? Show that have nothing to do with the core business of ETV?
ETV, as usual, can never understand when a project is failed, they always act the same way, they still stubborn in pursuit of a goal that is now very far.

Regards

Joker1305 wrote:

lucifer70 wrote:Tiffany’s gone, I wonder if, in a month, someone will remember that she's never been on ETV. And the same goes for Natasha, someone remembers her? And Milla?
This is the fate of these part time models.
They come and go at the speed of light, without a trace, totally anonymous. There are here now, not tomorrow.

In the end they do it to earn money. To be famous ETV is the wrong place, this fame is limited, temporary and questionable.
What avantage does a girl have from our eternal gratitude? Some nice words in her thread now and then, that's it.
I rather think this is a problem for ETV. Their business bases on direct relation between the girls and the customers, there frequently changing girls are poison.

An example? Elmar. I’ve no problem admitting that I can’t even remember the face of this girl. She participated in some daytime show, never in a NS and she made some Premium. I don’t watch the daytime shows cause I work during the day and cause anything happens.
So I wonder, why should I spend my money to buy a Premium starring a model that I don’t even know?
Only to see a little fresh meat? Some Molvanian's art?

This will stay ETV's mystery. But the Web shows aren't too expensive for ETV, so with some nosy viewers that might work anyway.

If is this the Premium’s purpose, then I'd rather go on the web and, free, I can see all the meat and art I want.

So what’s the meaning of Premiums? What they offer me that I can’t find somewhere else?

Well, this depends on what you are looking for. Watching your favorite ETV girl less disturbed by camera switching than in a night show the Premiums are the only way and you will hardly find somewhere else on the web.
If you are just looking for any kind of porn you find everywhere on the web, thenETV premiums are the wrong place.

Customers watched at NS and sometime at Premiums cause Scarlet, Gia, Amy and Mashiara were starring in. Models they knew and loved.

Actually there are still many girls I like, but most of them already work several years for ETV. I rather see the problem there are too few new girls who make it

ETV, as we all know, earns with phone calls not with the Premiums, but they, in order to make some fixed money, insist on a project that has already proven to be loser and so destroying the TV palimpsest. The result is that both Premium and NS are truly unwatchable and the gains are not increased.
This isn't, of course, a model's fault, forced to recite a script, without having the ability, but of ETV, which chose the wrong models, used them badly and fastly put a price tag at their necks. They haven’t had the chance to grow for winning clients and learn how to put on a show, they are here only because Molvanians still believe that the new pay. The Brona&Evah show (If it had been the Alice&Rose show it would not have received so much attention) and Mashiara’s performances in NS demonstrate the contrary, the popularity pay a lot more than novelty.

Scarlet was the face of ETV of past years, Carrie is the face of ETV today.
What a difference.

Karry is the best proof it's still up to the girls themselves becoming a star. That was never easy because they never could expect support from ETV bosses and the "top dogs" try to defend their position.
So it's more a matter the kind of girls they use to hire.
No idea if ETV bosses want it this way or if that already are the best girls they can get.

Regards
Joker

I think with the word Star one should handle with ETV carefully.
Models like Jaya or Kaleya in your time were creative and have pressed to a show your stamp.
Today one can count such girls in a hand.
And Karry belongs to it in her current ones do not form for me.

One can make to all people it not right.
There are Yes lobbyists just everywhere.

kolokotronis wrote:There are people here who make clearly advertising for etv shows , so i can understand that etv is in big trouble but they choose this road.

And there are people here that clearly try to move everybody away from the shows (using the same conclusion as you) ==> I understand that etv is doing so good that they can't cope with all the customers if they choose this road.

You see? It's not a matter of personal attack, but there is simply no basis for discusion with such arguments.
You wanna discuss? Well, I'm here.
Lets take a look at just the above sentence.
You claim that etv is steering the positive comments. Well, what leads you to this claim? What is the basis for it?
From this claim you conclude that etv is in big trouble. Hmmm, a claim as a basis for a conclusion? Not really serious, is it?
Then the conclusion itself, well ... 'Nobody is falling off the Earth, so it must be flat' is just as valid (and it's not even based on a claim, because actually nobody ever fell off the Earth, or do you know any case?).

So even if I consider the quality of the conclusion to be at least dubious, you can enlight me on the basis for your claims and maybe it will be less dubious then.

My experience so far is, that whenever I ask to find out how valid the claims are, I get no answer, I'm accused of personal attack, working for etv, or... and whenever I got an answer it was easily shown that there is either no basis or even worse, the claim is made up with the intention to discredit.
In the few argumentations there were, it was easy to show with the actual information or guesses the discussion partners used, that they haven't concluded propperly or, in case of the economics discussion, never calculated with their own figures, as those figures contradicted their conclusions.

@ WILSONSAND

I agree totally with you. I had the same problems in the past, from the same person like you. I dont watch anymore this chanell like much people here. And for me is problem to explain, why moderators let some people to attack people with critical view for etv like me, but i dont care anymore.There are people here who make clearly advertising for etv shows , so i can understand that etv is in big trouble but they choose this road.

This is my 1000th post. Surely I should be satisfied with it, but I'm not, probably because I am not sure to continue.

When I met this place, it was a very different place, and until recently it was not so much a place as different from what it is today. It is true that ETV has changed a lot (to bad in my opinion)too, and a change so great has caused a clear schism everyday deeper between members of this forum.

During this time I have seen how people shared the material shows of ETV, the forum was full of videos. Not now. People enjoyed, more or less, with the shows, and enjoying this forum also. I remember it was easy to find videos of the shows, videos of the girls, it was a nice place. But ETV changed, censorship came and the webshows too, and everything changed forever.

In my opinion ETV in free to air, is not now an erotic channel and become a launching pad support and services of the website very clearly. If you want something erotic, go to the site. On Tv you can find models with more or less clothes which you can talk and send sms, but no shows anymore, just a (more or less) naked models talk show, everyday more boring and with repetitive castings.ETv doesn´t mind about the night shows as "shows", it´s obvious since a long time.

There was a time when the huge personality, creativity and talent of some models kept alive some good or at least decent health to the shows, but the best left, and the new models were not so good. The best leaves ETV, the bad ones stay. The night shows are, being generous, in a long freefall (in my opinion, dead and buried), with everyday more boring and soft shows, with a censorship so high and so bad camera work, than the girls can´t do anything (they have nothing to play with, or nothing to use for a show in the studio) and anyway, if they do something it will be very bad showed with camera switches all the time, wrong angles, strange changes, and so on.. ETV clung to the fan phenomenon and trust them completely it´s strategy. The fan phenomenon is, in my opinion, the guilty of the lousy level today and the decadence of ETV and it´s shows. ETV adapted the product to the fans and in the way the old concept of shows was destroyed, and the current shows became a carrousel of reading sms with requests, more or least fulfilled or unfulfilled, just declarations of love and devotion, often long speeches at micro and and a bad camera work in the service of censorship with terrible consequences: a frustrating passivity from the models, almost every day the same, boredom and repetitive work day after day, without any imagination, without any ideas of "shows". ETV left the night shows die, with bad castings, without interest, and keeping apart the newbies for the almost complete exclusive of the website, and saving the best from many models who are on the casting, who only do something erotic or some kind of nudity in webshows for some credits. I´ve been accused of talking a lot of Karry, and i admit it, do you know why? because she is the flag that has been hoisted from ETV in this times, the more visible example of the new adapted model to this strategy: a lot of fans, willing to spend a lot of money calling, sending sms, buying expensive teddy bears, chocolate articles, flowers or days in spas...even when the model refuses sistemativally all their erotic requests. She is the right model, but the wrong place. The shows are filled with callings and sms from fans, more or less devoted, more or less in love, or naives or fools who never gives up when the model refuses to do over and over again the wishes, with best or bad words. She will tell you she doesn´t full strips, even that she doesn´t make that kind of shows.. but she did it the day before on the site for 3 or 4 credits. That models don´t show a tit for 4 credits (the cost of a sms) in TV, but they show full naked for the same number of credits in webshow. That´s the money value, 4 credits are nothing in tv and one hour of full nudity in website. Who could imagine some months ago Rose could do a full nudity show? i guess nobody. Currently, she is often in webshows showing it all, but she is never scheduled in night shows. The night shows are dead, the shows are on site. That´s the truth. ETV is not a erotic tv channel anymore, it´s just a talk-show channel with some girls with more or less clothes. The newbies are not scheduled in night shows, and if rarely one of them appears, for sure she does nothing, or at least, she offers much less what she offers on site, but i do not blame them, i blame the ETV direction because this strategy. As consumer, i still like some products they offer, but everyday less and with less intensity, and I guess i am not the only one.

Here, in the forum, there is a huge schism between defenders and opponents of this strategy from ETV. I always wanted to be respectful, but little by little I´ve seen what this forum is becoming, and honestly I do not like it.People who i know and appreciate has stopped writing here in the forum, many of them tired, fed up. Discordant voices with the system are severely attacked, myself too. I've always defended that the threads are "discussion threads", because to discuss something, (what i think it´s very positive), are needed different points of view, often conflicting. Many voices, willing to discuss reasonably about all of are now quiet or have been silent, and more and more radical positions have been imposed in this forum everyday less popular (I mean ETV section). Fewer and fewer videos (of course, that there are fewer videos worthwhile to post) and many threads go for days without updates. Now we can find radicals per system: those who defend everything systematically and other attacking almost everything systematically. I think i don´t belong to any of those groups, and both extremes are very pernicious to the forum, both are responsible of the current situation. Now the forum is a battlefield, not a discussion place.

In my case, unfortunately, the sad fate of ETV makes me see many more disappointing points than positive ones, but regardless, I find it extremely sad the defenders of this strategy and the models, whose honor and name defend with tooth and nails, taking everything to the personal level, seeking to impose a model of forum where don´t fit other positions. From there to the "fans club" there is only a little step, it´s a matter of renaming the thread, and instead of Mashiara, or Roshana, or Karry "discussion thread", can be renamed Mashiara, Roshana, or Karry "fans club", where are not admitted any kind of negative criticism, whatever, although even respect the forum rules. If you are critic be ready, the artillery and the firing squad will appear and attack you, even personally, because this forum begins to be not a place for discussing ideas, but a place where someone is attached by the same guys sistematically. The white knights, well protected by moderators, have become everyday stronger here, and they even believe in the right to ask not to write negative reviews because they are repetitive and boring, because it´s always the same, as if comments like ".. is the best, she is so beautiful", or "if you want to see pussys, go to another place" are not equally repetitive in the same way. Everyday less discussion about different points of view, but attacks to the guy who thinks different than me, and that attack, joined with "i like" from the same people always, almost sistematically, it´s supported not because what he said, but supported because who he is. I don´t like that, i think it´s boring and wrong, personally I think a complete failure of the moderators of this forum, to which I blame for allowing and even supporting with their own comments actions closer to the mobbing than the discussion.

Now I can´tjust write here without receiving the systematic attack by firing squad. And i am tired. Those people who really knows me, and there are several here, knows i am a moderate, thoughtful and respectful person.I've always tried to respect the point of view of others, but it bothers me to feel that I can not write here without being respected or being accused, attacked, teased... So, I leave this post as a reflection of my view on the state of this forum and its members. I have stopped to think a bit, and perhaps, some moderators and members of this forum should also take a moment to do so, and take a look at what this forum (which all we love -some loved-) has become. We all should understand and respect the current ETV is good and satisfactory for some people, and sad, disappointing and decadent for other people, and all opinions should join here without insults, mockery and personal attacks, and it should be a real pleasure to be able to say what you think without being sistematically attacked.

best regards.

P.s.: sorry, as always, for my english.

lucifer70 wrote:So I wonder, why should I spend my money to buy a Premium starring a model that I don’t even know?
Only to see a little fresh meat? Some Molvanian's art?
If is this the Premium’s purpose, then I'd rather go on the web and, free, I can see all the meat and art I want.
So what’s the meaning of Premiums? What they offer me that I can’t find somewhere else?

You have to guess, probably some viewers like the "quality" that is offered. Well... you have no choice but to accept it. Even if with such a low quality they will suffer from a lack of earnings.

lucifer70 wrote:Customers watched at NS and sometime at Premiums cause Scarlet, Gia, Amy and Mashiara were starring in. Models they knew and loved.

Well, there are still models you know and love. There isn't much erotism any more, so you can still watch and appreciate your favorite models.
Personnally, I like Mashiara when she is naked but also when she is clothed.

lucifer70 wrote:Scarlet was the face of ETV of past years, Carrie is the face of ETV today.
What a difference.

You said it ! For me it's a big step forward

lucifer70 wrote:Tiffany’s gone, I wonder if, in a month, someone will remember that she's never been on ETV. And the same goes for Natasha, someone remembers her? And Milla?
This is the fate of these part time models.
They come and go at the speed of light, without a trace, totally anonymous. There are here now, not tomorrow.

In the end they do it to earn money. To be famous ETV is the wrong place, this fame is limited, temporary and questionable.
What avantage does a girl have from our eternal gratitude? Some nice words in her thread now and then, that's it.
I rather think this is a problem for ETV. Their business bases on direct relation between the girls and the customers, there frequently changing girls are poison.

An example? Elmar. I’ve no problem admitting that I can’t even remember the face of this girl. She participated in some daytime show, never in a NS and she made some Premium. I don’t watch the daytime shows cause I work during the day and cause anything happens.
So I wonder, why should I spend my money to buy a Premium starring a model that I don’t even know?
Only to see a little fresh meat? Some Molvanian's art?

This will stay ETV's mystery. But the Web shows aren't too expensive for ETV, so with some nosy viewers that might work anyway.

If is this the Premium’s purpose, then I'd rather go on the web and, free, I can see all the meat and art I want.

So what’s the meaning of Premiums? What they offer me that I can’t find somewhere else?

Well, this depends on what you are looking for. Watching your favorite ETV girl less disturbed by camera switching than in a night show the Premiums are the only way and you will hardly find somewhere else on the web.
If you are just looking for any kind of porn you find everywhere on the web, thenETV premiums are the wrong place.

Customers watched at NS and sometime at Premiums cause Scarlet, Gia, Amy and Mashiara were starring in. Models they knew and loved.

Actually there are still many girls I like, but most of them already work several years for ETV. I rather see the problem there are too few new girls who make it

ETV, as we all know, earns with phone calls not with the Premiums, but they, in order to make some fixed money, insist on a project that has already proven to be loser and so destroying the TV palimpsest. The result is that both Premium and NS are truly unwatchable and the gains are not increased.
This isn't, of course, a model's fault, forced to recite a script, without having the ability, but of ETV, which chose the wrong models, used them badly and fastly put a price tag at their necks. They haven’t had the chance to grow for winning clients and learn how to put on a show, they are here only because Molvanians still believe that the new pay. The Brona&Evah show (If it had been the Alice&Rose show it would not have received so much attention) and Mashiara’s performances in NS demonstrate the contrary, the popularity pay a lot more than novelty.

Scarlet was the face of ETV of past years, Carrie is the face of ETV today.
What a difference.

Karry is the best proof it's still up to the girls themselves becoming a star. That was never easy because they never could expect support from ETV bosses and the "top dogs" try to defend their position.
So it's more a matter the kind of girls they use to hire.
No idea if ETV bosses want it this way or if that already are the best girls they can get.

Regards
Joker

Tiffany’s gone, I wonder if, in a month, someone will remember that she's never been on ETV. And the same goes for Natasha, someone remembers her? And Milla?
This is the fate of these part time models.
They come and go at the speed of light, without a trace, totally anonymous. There are here now, not tomorrow.
An example? Elmar. I’ve no problem admitting that I can’t even remember the face of this girl. She participated in some daytime show, never in a NS and she made some Premium. I don’t watch the daytime shows cause I work during the day and cause anything happens.
So I wonder, why should I spend my money to buy a Premium starring a model that I don’t even know?
Only to see a little fresh meat? Some Molvanian's art?

If is this the Premium’s purpose, then I'd rather go on the web and, free, I can see all the meat and art I want.

So what’s the meaning of Premiums? What they offer me that I can’t find somewhere else?

Customers watched at NS and sometime at Premiums cause Scarlet, Gia, Amy and Mashiara were starring in. Models they knew and loved.

Watch ETV Wall, no comments, no requests for months.

These new models, however, in addition to being unattractive and sometimes seeming clearly out of place in the studio, also are often inexplicably absent. They take part in some daytime, where they do nothing, only a very few of them participate in the NS where they demonstrate every time to be more useless than furniture forced, moreover, to play the ludicrous and pathetic role of little nuns.
In a word, they aren’t popular among the customers. It's not me saying that, but our Molvanians friends witness it with the pricing and discounts policy. Lower prices, higher discounts. That’s if the price is directly proportional to the popularity.

ETV, as we all know, earns with phone calls not with the Premiums, but they, in order to make some fixed money, insist on a project that has already proven to be loser and so destroying the TV palimpsest. The result is that both Premium and NS are truly unwatchable and the gains are not increased.

This isn't, of course, a model's fault, forced to recite a script, without having the ability, but of ETV, which chose the wrong models, used them badly and fastly put a price tag at their necks. They haven’t had the chance to grow for winning clients and learn how to put on a show, they are here only because Molvanians still believe that the new pay. The Brona&Evah show (If it had been the Alice&Rose show it would not have received so much attention) and Mashiara’s performances in NS demonstrate the contrary, the popularity pay a lot more than novelty.

Scarlet was the face of ETV of past years, Carrie is the face of ETV today.
What a difference.

Slowfox wrote:Does anybody have a matrix readily available indicating which girl is in which class ?

I think the answer to that is Neo

Does anybody have a matrix readily available indicating which girl is in which class ?

I meant only for Kia.

Add Michelle and Kia (available only at first class).