Off-Topic Discussion

I have the duty to apologize to a mod: Tarl_Cabot.
I was wrong. My information was wrong . The censor was not you.

It's right people know it.

Of course, I sent him a PM, before writing here.

@Mr_Niceguy

I can totally get behind people expressing their dislike of some aspects of a show.
I would even applaud it even if I didn't agree with it (and in this case I would maybe even voice my disagreement).
Wow. The Champion of Freedom.

Sure, you can, but you got no... or I missed something?
You disliked some aspects of Etv show?
Where? When? Were you drunk or are you now?
Where is all that stuff?

Perhaps you're referring to this post, the hardest vs. Etv I found here, from you.
A tough criticism to ETV. Probably too much tough. I'm sure Molvanians are still trembling.
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Here, the only criticism you did is not on Etv or "some aspects of a show,"
but only against people who criticized, they yes, Etv or some aspects of a show
(your favorite targets seem to be Wilsonsand, Chris26 and now me, too).

However what I see mostly, is people being attacked cause they like something...
The tastes are different. An african beetle lives eating only shit. He likes the shit: glad he ...
Can I disagree with the beetles viewers here? Can I disagree with Etv?
According to your personal concept of freedom, I could not write of some people
only because they would become "people being attacked cause they like something."
So, if I were a serial killer, no one could talk (evil) of me, only because "I like something, too. I like to kill"...
Personally I find this concept of freedom very far from the meaning of freedom and very close to ridicule.

Again. Shortly, about the YogurtGate
... I see people who are doing these attacks calling for injustice if they are being replied to.
"However...your choice, the others started the personal insults."
These are not my words, but the words from a moderator.
Of course a mod is not a god, but it just to give you a different point of view.

This is not kindergarten, no body like bullies turning into cry babies.
To be complete I would like to add in my opinion moderators are way to soft on people insulting models and other forum members.
Sorry, sir...where did he go "the Champion of Freedom"? here is only an old child who is afraid,
crying and seeking protection by clinging to mother (modther is better ). Just a crying baby, asking censorship....
asking censorship! That fool of a Champion of Freedom like you...
I never asked to mods to delete the insulting list of Slow, or to move off or delete any post. Never. And I'll never do it. You just do it .
What I wrote and what I mean is that without my answer, the insulting post would still be there.
So, looks like someone is allowed to insult, others not.
I call it: censorship in a one-way. I don't like censorship.

...it is time to draw your conclusions imho. [...] then please just leave.
it is because of people like you, "Champion of Freedom (but only of the your )" if I'm still here

PS: If you are really interested in knowing what I like of Etv, you simply may refering to any volume of the VECTORPEDIA.
You can easily find it here ...

Chris26 wrote:And @Mr_Niceguy I agree, but are you (and others) able to allow other people not to like it, whatever is the reason?
I personally find no justification for you or for many other people to like the current state ETV is in, however, unless you say something that clearly is against my opinions in which case I will reply, you have your tastes and that's OK. So, can I humbly ask you that you (and others) allow people to say also the negative points, without always trying to defending the channel in one way or another?
Thank you.

Thanks for this reply

To your first question I say Yes

Considering your second point I almost agree with you. Maybe at some point in time I liked it for maybe 50%, currently I would say maybe 10%. I have no problem with criticism on ETV as I have criticesed them myself on multiple occaisons, but right now I watch it so little I cannot give any reasonable assesment on what is shown all the time. I watch it when I like what I see, or I will do something else. I do find it reasonable to ask any member to be polite. to ETV in general, to the models, and most of all fellow forum members even if they for some reason beyond comprehension enjoy it for the full 100%. . I will always call anyone on this, except some who cannot be taken seriously and are beyond contempt. The goal of criticism should always be improvement if the goal is doing damage then I am against it.

I can totally get behind people expressing their dislike of some aspects of a show. I would even applaud it even if I didn't agree with it (and in this case I would maybe even voice my disagreement). However what I see mostly, is people being attacked cause they like something and I see people who are doing these attacks calling for injustice if they are being replied to. This is not kindergarten, no body like bullies turning into cry babies. Live and let live. Obide by the rules of the forum and If you cannot do this cause this is moraly offensive to you for some reason, then please just leave.

To be complete I would like to add in my opinion moderators are way to soft on people insulting models and other forum members. There is no logic in wasting time with something you don't like. Therefor it should be logical everybody here at least to some degree enjoys ETV. If you find this odd, it is time to draw your conclusions imho.

I do not think we all can agree on everything, lets agree on that

cirano wrote:...

Probably you're not a very careful reader .

Maybe you aren't a careful writer.

"Is it allowed to involve here girlfriends, wives, parents, relatives, brothers or sisters of other users?"

...

Applying the same standard as for Information about ETV, what's public information can be posted.
As you were the first to mentioned your GF here, it's public information.
OK, if you now say it was a lie then it changes.

Regards
Joker

Chris26 wrote:...
If you're claiming that only the complainers start arguments, I feel really sorry for you, I thought you were capable of fair judgment but I guess I was wrong.

Don't waste your crocodile tears.
By the way, "usually" doesn't mean there can't be exceptions. Shit happens.
Also Mods are only human beings and considering English isn't the native language of most forum members misinterpretation of postings can happen on both sides.
But anyone who dishes it out must also be able to take it, so who regularly starts arguments shouldn't be too sensitive.

Regards
Joker

Chris26 wrote:

dazaman wrote: nice try to make a dumbass war as you and others talk about LSTV on italy more than we do

But of course you judge us through fairness or through don't take the piss

Uhm, first of all I don't see reasons for envy as if this forum were only about ETV, there'd be like 10 posts every day, so, no, if anything, it's pure curiosity of how far (and low) people can go.
Anyway, who are the ones always mentioning "the italian forum here", "the italian forum there"?
I don't really care where I post my opinions, to be honest.
For example, it is Eigentor (whose nickname's colour, at this point, is perfectly appropriate) who some weeks ago put "the italian forum" inside a discussion that had 0% to do with it.
And this is just the first example that came into my mind.
For some reason, when you people run out of arguments (which is like after one post and a half), the trump card you play is always "the italian forum".
Well, for me I can assure you that, "the italian forum" or not, my opinions would be the same anyway.
If "the italian forum" is an issue, then why do you, all the other mods, all your protegés keep talking about it?
But I agree with you (or whoever it was) on one point, it would be much better to just leave your personal jerk circle here, but sometimes I come back to enjoy reading people who shove the truth in your faces and your extremely funny ways of always saying the same thing like politicians without actually answering or saying anything meaningful.

And you (mods) still haven't answered to me as to why it is always the complainers who are banned, demoted, ousted, freely mocked, etc., but feel free to take some time before replying to concoct some botched explanation once again. Remember, the more botched it is, the more fun people will have.

And @Mr_Niceguy I agree, but are you (and others) able to allow other people not to like it, whatever is the reason?
I personally find no justification for you or for many other people to like the current state ETV is in, however, unless you say something that clearly is against my opinions in which case I will reply, you have your tastes and that's OK. So, can I humbly ask you that you (and others) allow people to say also the negative points, without always trying to defending the channel in one way or another?
Thank you.

To the other "person" who addressed me, sorry, I speak with adults, not parrots who repeat things without understanding them.

Do you know something chris, i will answer your question

The reason you and other, what you say as haters, is for one reason and normally not for the post that started it we contact both sides and of course what you see as the whiteknights normally say sorry and don't add to like what your doing now and continue bullshit, but of course we contact the haters and what normally follows is PM after PM arguing the toss over every little detail and then like as now accuse us of shit, so its not usually the post that gets yu to your current place but the follow up, did you argue?

Regards italy then nah, links are posted by its mod on here and of course you just mentioned it a number of times, envy

dazaman wrote: nice try to make a dumbass war as you and others talk about LSTV on italy more than we do

But of course you judge us through fairness or through don't take the piss

Uhm, first of all I don't see reasons for envy as if this forum were only about ETV, there'd be like 10 posts every day, so, no, if anything, it's pure curiosity of how far (and low) people can go.
Anyway, who are the ones always mentioning "the italian forum here", "the italian forum there"?
I don't really care where I post my opinions, to be honest.
For example, it is Eigentor (whose nickname's colour, at this point, is perfectly appropriate) who some weeks ago put "the italian forum" inside a discussion that had 0% to do with it.
And this is just the first example that came into my mind.
For some reason, when you people run out of arguments (which is like after one post and a half), the trump card you play is always "the italian forum".
Well, for me I can assure you that, "the italian forum" or not, my opinions would be the same anyway.
If "the italian forum" is an issue, then why do you, all the other mods, all your protegés keep talking about it?
But I agree with you (or whoever it was) on one point, it would be much better to just leave your personal jerk circle here, but sometimes I come back to enjoy reading people who shove the truth in your faces and your extremely funny ways of always saying the same thing like politicians without actually answering or saying anything meaningful.

And you (mods) still haven't answered to me as to why it is always the complainers who are banned, demoted, ousted, freely mocked, etc., but feel free to take some time before replying to concoct some botched explanation once again. Remember, the more botched it is, the more fun people will have.

And @Mr_Niceguy I agree, but are you (and others) able to allow other people not to like it, whatever is the reason?
I personally find no justification for you or for many other people to like the current state ETV is in, however, unless you say something that clearly is against my opinions in which case I will reply, you have your tastes and that's OK. So, can I humbly ask you that you (and others) allow people to say also the negative points, without always trying to defending the channel in one way or another?
Thank you.

To the other "person" who addressed me, sorry, I speak with adults, not parrots who repeat things without understanding them.

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eigentor wrote:...then we would not have to annoy the entire forum with it....

Annoying? Slowly I go out of popcorn!

cirano wrote:My compliments to your horse: very fast
So it really is true, that the horses of the white knights are fast.
Let me see if it's also true what people tell about their views

Well, to be more precise, I am a white knights white knight, thats why my horse has to be superfast
...but now my back hurts, so please stop here.

eigentor wrote:

cirano wrote:I have some question for you mods:
1) Is it allowed to involve here girlfriends, wives, parents, relatives, brothers or sisters of other users?
2) If it is, is allowed to all the users or is only allowed to your protected?

After your answer, I will act accordingly.

Wait, I have to get off my horse...man, this mantle is really annoying ...now:

Well, if you remember, you willingly told us about your girlfriend yourself (and about your cats), thats what watcher is referring to, I think.
On the other hand, I dont recall Slow telling us about his "spastic colons", right?

Btw, this whole thing could easily be discussed via PM, then we would not have to annoy the entire forum with it.
Thank you.

My compliments to your horse: very fast
So it really is true, that the horses of the white knights are fast.
Let me see if it's also true what people tell about their views

cirano wrote:

Slowfox wrote:

cirano wrote:

Watcher wrote:

cirano wrote:< snip >
When I come home at night, I like to turn on my pc taking a ride in many web places including this one,
< snip >

Perhaps, if you could turn-on your girlfriend, you would have a more interesting ride

I don't use to involve here girlfriends, wives, parents, relatives, brothers or sisters of other users.
Seeing as the moderators are accustomed reading very carefully all my posts,
I recommend them to move aside slightly the flap of white mantles that are covering their eyes, and take a look here, too.

I have some question for you mods:
1) Is it allowed to involve here girlfriends, wives, parents, relatives, brothers or sisters of other users?
2) If it is, is allowed to all the users or is only allowed to your protected?

After your answer, I will act accordingly.

If I'm not misled it was you mentioning your girlfriend first in your comment to my post. Maybe should read again to refresh your memory.

So basically it was you involving her.

I just involved the mine... not the your or of others users .
There is a small but meaningful difference.

Probably you're not a very careful reader .
"Is it allowed to involve here girlfriends, wives, parents, relatives, brothers or sisters of other users?"

Btw, my compliments for your new mask.
Without rancor.

believe further provocations don't get anybody anywhere, same goes for sacrcasm, irony and insults.

suggest to leave it there. you said what you wanted to say, same goes for me. as simple as that

eigentor wrote:

cirano wrote:I have some question for you mods:
1) Is it allowed to involve here girlfriends, wives, parents, relatives, brothers or sisters of other users?
2) If it is, is allowed to all the users or is only allowed to your protected?

After your answer, I will act accordingly.

Wait, I have to get off my horse...man, this mantle is really annoying ...now:

Well, if you remember, you willingly told us about your girlfriend yourself (and about your cats), thats what watcher is referring to, I think.
On the other hand, I dont recall Slow telling us about his "spastic colons", right?

Btw, this whole thing could easily be discussed via PM, then we would not have to annoy the entire forum with it.
Thank you.

I was hoping that the members who read this thread were being amused , we still have the 'toys-out-of-the-pram' joke to do again ...
And yes, you are correct with the reference, which I have a copy of just in case it mysteriously changes

Slowfox wrote:

cirano wrote:

Watcher wrote:

cirano wrote:< snip >
When I come home at night, I like to turn on my pc taking a ride in many web places including this one,
< snip >

Perhaps, if you could turn-on your girlfriend, you would have a more interesting ride

I don't use to involve here girlfriends, wives, parents, relatives, brothers or sisters of other users.
Seeing as the moderators are accustomed reading very carefully all my posts,
I recommend them to move aside slightly the flap of white mantles that are covering their eyes, and take a look here, too.

I have some question for you mods:
1) Is it allowed to involve here girlfriends, wives, parents, relatives, brothers or sisters of other users?
2) If it is, is allowed to all the users or is only allowed to your protected?

After your answer, I will act accordingly.

If I'm not misled it was you mentioning your girlfriend first in your comment to my post. Maybe should read again to refresh your memory.

So basically it was you involving her.

I just involved the mine... not the your or of others users .
There is a small but meaningful difference.

Probably you're not a very careful reader .
"Is it allowed to involve here girlfriends, wives, parents, relatives, brothers or sisters of other users?"

Btw, my compliments for your new mask.
Without rancor.

cirano wrote:I have some question for you mods:
1) Is it allowed to involve here girlfriends, wives, parents, relatives, brothers or sisters of other users?
2) If it is, is allowed to all the users or is only allowed to your protected?

After your answer, I will act accordingly.

Wait, I have to get off my horse...man, this mantle is really annoying ...now:

Well, if you remember, you willingly told us about your girlfriend yourself (and about your cats), thats what watcher is referring to, I think.
On the other hand, I dont recall Slow telling us about his "spastic colons", right?

Btw, this whole thing could easily be discussed via PM, then we would not have to annoy the entire forum with it.
Thank you.